ok speaking with my father inlaw yesterday who is shooting a 300 weatherby mag with a 26" barrel i told him i was goin to get the rem sps tac in .308 with the 20" he said i was crazy for wanting a 20" barrel im not going to be able to shoot past 250 yards with that short of a barrel, i wanted to kick him in the nuts, i didnt even bother arguing, now i know for a fact guys are shooting up to 1000yrds with this gun, am i right?????
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Re: 20" barrel worthless
Wanting to kick a father in-law in the nuts is a common feeling regardless of what he said. But yes you are right, you can get out there with a 20". If he said 250 with all do respect he's an idiot
Wanting to kick a father in-law in the nuts is a common feeling regardless of what he said. But yes you are right, you can get out there with a 20". If he said 250 with all do respect he's an idiot
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rackchaser71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok speaking with my father inlaw yesterday who is shooting a 300 weatherby mag with a 26" barrel i told him i was goin to get the rem sps tac in .308 with the 20" he said i was crazy for wanting a 20" barrel im not going to be able to shoot past 250 yards with that short of a barrel, i wanted to kick him in the nuts, i didnt even bother arguing, now i know for a fact guys are shooting up to 1000yrds with this gun, am i right????? </div></div>
Invite him to come out and play.....
When we are hitting steel at 1000 yards.
Where are you located?
I am serious on the invite. It will open his eyes.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rackchaser71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok speaking with my father inlaw yesterday who is shooting a 300 weatherby mag with a 26" barrel i told him i was goin to get the rem sps tac in .308 with the 20" he said i was crazy for wanting a 20" barrel im not going to be able to shoot past 250 yards with that short of a barrel, i wanted to kick him in the nuts, i didnt even bother arguing, now i know for a fact guys are shooting up to 1000yrds with this gun, am i right????? </div></div>
Invite him to come out and play.....
When we are hitting steel at 1000 yards.
Where are you located?
I am serious on the invite. It will open his eyes.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can't fix stupid. </div></div>
You can change ignorance....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can't fix stupid. </div></div>
You can change ignorance....
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Hmmm.....Your father in law said only good up to 250yards huh? Well just tell him to stand at the 300 yard line by the target and ask him if it is ok to shoot at him with your worthless 20" barrel (I am guessing it should be ok since it is only good up to 250 yards). See what he says after that.
REMEBER THIS IS ACTUALLY A JOKE SO DON"T ACTUALLY GET HIM TO TRY THIS. I BEAR NO RESPONSIBILITY IF YOU OR ANYONE ELSE ACTUALLY TRIES.
Oh and also someone else here posted that the military is switching to 20" M40 barrels on their sniper rifles. Tell your father in law the military must have a good reason to do this. Tell him military snipers must be shooting all shots less than 250 yards since that is the max range of the 20" barrel--hahahaha.
Hmmm.....Your father in law said only good up to 250yards huh? Well just tell him to stand at the 300 yard line by the target and ask him if it is ok to shoot at him with your worthless 20" barrel (I am guessing it should be ok since it is only good up to 250 yards). See what he says after that.
REMEBER THIS IS ACTUALLY A JOKE SO DON"T ACTUALLY GET HIM TO TRY THIS. I BEAR NO RESPONSIBILITY IF YOU OR ANYONE ELSE ACTUALLY TRIES.
Oh and also someone else here posted that the military is switching to 20" M40 barrels on their sniper rifles. Tell your father in law the military must have a good reason to do this. Tell him military snipers must be shooting all shots less than 250 yards since that is the max range of the 20" barrel--hahahaha.
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Nothing will open his eyes faster than an 18.5" barreled 308 ringing steel plates at 1,000!!!
After his eyes are wide open...then you should kick him in the nuts!
Nothing will open his eyes faster than an 18.5" barreled 308 ringing steel plates at 1,000!!!
After his eyes are wide open...then you should kick him in the nuts!
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I was out just 4 hours ago with my SPS tac, and had no problem ringing the 1000 yard steel.
I was out just 4 hours ago with my SPS tac, and had no problem ringing the 1000 yard steel.
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Most people have their opinions based on what someone else somewhere else told his next door neighbor. So, of course, to them it is nothing but fact.
The in-laws I "used" to have, I don't think the man had any nuts to kick...
You will do just fine with the 20". Get it and prove him wrong!!
DK
Most people have their opinions based on what someone else somewhere else told his next door neighbor. So, of course, to them it is nothing but fact.
The in-laws I "used" to have, I don't think the man had any nuts to kick...
You will do just fine with the 20". Get it and prove him wrong!!
DK
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i shot my 18.5" barreled 308 in this month's long range match. i sure didn't win but i didn't come in last either. i missed some high point targets at 200 and 300 but was shooting strong at 425-1k yards. i plan on shooting my shorty 308 for a few more long range matches this year for fun, to help with my wind reading skills, to save my barrel on my 284 and because i just can't find any 175 7mm smks
edit: while the short barrels will make it to 1k, they are far from ideal in my opinion. if you are building a dedicated 308 1k yard shooter, i would be looking at a longer barrel.
i shot my 18.5" barreled 308 in this month's long range match. i sure didn't win but i didn't come in last either. i missed some high point targets at 200 and 300 but was shooting strong at 425-1k yards. i plan on shooting my shorty 308 for a few more long range matches this year for fun, to help with my wind reading skills, to save my barrel on my 284 and because i just can't find any 175 7mm smks
edit: while the short barrels will make it to 1k, they are far from ideal in my opinion. if you are building a dedicated 308 1k yard shooter, i would be looking at a longer barrel.
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If the USMC is considering a change to 20" barrels in their sniper rifles, I'd bet you're probably good.
Kick that dude in the nuts anyways.
If the USMC is considering a change to 20" barrels in their sniper rifles, I'd bet you're probably good.
Kick that dude in the nuts anyways.
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Screw a bunch of steel.......
You can hit Clays at 1012 yds. with a Factory Rem. 700 20" .308 with the right loads.
It is not every shot, but it can shoot 16" groups at 1k all day long.
Wow, this oughta be fun!
Screw a bunch of steel.......
You can hit Clays at 1012 yds. with a Factory Rem. 700 20" .308 with the right loads.
It is not every shot, but it can shoot 16" groups at 1k all day long.
Wow, this oughta be fun!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rackchaser71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok speaking with my father inlaw yesterday who is shooting a 300 weatherby mag with a 26" barrel i told him i was goin to get the rem sps tac in .308 with the 20" he said i was crazy for wanting a 20" barrel im not going to be able to shoot past 250 yards with that short of a barrel, i wanted to kick him in the nuts, i didnt even bother arguing, now i know for a fact guys are shooting up to 1000yrds with this gun, am i right?????</div></div>
sounds like the "hunting type" that shoot just enough rounds to know that he is still zeroed for the year and off to the hunting grounds he goes. There is no use arguing with someone like that. Buy it and have fun.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rackchaser71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok speaking with my father inlaw yesterday who is shooting a 300 weatherby mag with a 26" barrel i told him i was goin to get the rem sps tac in .308 with the 20" he said i was crazy for wanting a 20" barrel im not going to be able to shoot past 250 yards with that short of a barrel, i wanted to kick him in the nuts, i didnt even bother arguing, now i know for a fact guys are shooting up to 1000yrds with this gun, am i right?????</div></div>
sounds like the "hunting type" that shoot just enough rounds to know that he is still zeroed for the year and off to the hunting grounds he goes. There is no use arguing with someone like that. Buy it and have fun.
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Check out Lowlight's Video on YouTube where he shoots an 18 inch .308 to 1000. That might show your Dad how it's done.
Check out Lowlight's Video on YouTube where he shoots an 18 inch .308 to 1000. That might show your Dad how it's done.
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My smith told me you lose 30-60fps at the muzzle for every inch you take away under 26.5" with federal gold match in a 308 win. This is from his own testing. going from 26" barrel to a 20" barrel tightened his groups .1 also from his testing... Im not sure if these are the same for everyone else but he hasnt steered me wrong yet...
My smith told me you lose 30-60fps at the muzzle for every inch you take away under 26.5" with federal gold match in a 308 win. This is from his own testing. going from 26" barrel to a 20" barrel tightened his groups .1 also from his testing... Im not sure if these are the same for everyone else but he hasnt steered me wrong yet...
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Also don't neglect your "Motherinlaw"! Don't want her to feel left out!
Also don't neglect your "Motherinlaw"! Don't want her to feel left out!
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well thanks, hes just got this mentallity that if its not a black synthetic weatherby in 300 weatherby mag with a 26" barrel, its worthless, whats sad is he was there last year when i shot a doe at 375 with my 18" .243 lol, ill let him shoot it at 500 one day ; ) thanks guys
well thanks, hes just got this mentallity that if its not a black synthetic weatherby in 300 weatherby mag with a 26" barrel, its worthless, whats sad is he was there last year when i shot a doe at 375 with my 18" .243 lol, ill let him shoot it at 500 one day ; ) thanks guys
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbobike1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My smith told me you lose 30-60fps at the muzzle for every inch you take away under 26.5" with federal gold match in a 308 win. This is from his own testing. going from 26" barrel to a 20" barrel tightened his groups .1 also from his testing... Im not sure if these are the same for everyone else but he hasnt steered me wrong yet... </div></div>
there are too many variables to give a definite on that. my 18.5" barrel was a very consistent 2645 fps with fgmm 168's. i would find it extremely hard to believe that that ammo would have a 2885-3125fps muzzle velocity if i finished that same barrel at 26.5".
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbobike1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My smith told me you lose 30-60fps at the muzzle for every inch you take away under 26.5" with federal gold match in a 308 win. This is from his own testing. going from 26" barrel to a 20" barrel tightened his groups .1 also from his testing... Im not sure if these are the same for everyone else but he hasnt steered me wrong yet... </div></div>
there are too many variables to give a definite on that. my 18.5" barrel was a very consistent 2645 fps with fgmm 168's. i would find it extremely hard to believe that that ammo would have a 2885-3125fps muzzle velocity if i finished that same barrel at 26.5".
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbobike1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My smith told me you lose 30-60fps at the muzzle for every inch you take away under 26.5" with federal gold match in a 308 win. This is from his own testing. going from 26" barrel to a 20" barrel tightened his groups .1 also from his testing... Im not sure if these are the same for everyone else but he hasnt steered me wrong yet... </div></div>
The 60 is way on the high side 2800 to 2380 would love to see that. Have a .260 which does just fine in that 20-22 length. The new SH build is 18....
again, come out and play Many of these "experts" are MOPP (Minute of Pie Pan....)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbobike1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My smith told me you lose 30-60fps at the muzzle for every inch you take away under 26.5" with federal gold match in a 308 win. This is from his own testing. going from 26" barrel to a 20" barrel tightened his groups .1 also from his testing... Im not sure if these are the same for everyone else but he hasnt steered me wrong yet... </div></div>
The 60 is way on the high side 2800 to 2380 would love to see that. Have a .260 which does just fine in that 20-22 length. The new SH build is 18....
again, come out and play Many of these "experts" are MOPP (Minute of Pie Pan....)
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20"? Why you even need one that long? It's only 1000 yards. Thought long barrels were for really far targets?
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20"? Why you even need one that long? It's only 1000 yards. Thought long barrels were for really far targets?
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My smith was hesitant about the short barrels until we did a side by side comparison of a 20 inch kreiger next to a 26 inch factory tube. 2740 with my handloads out of the factory tube and 2730 out of the kreiger. He is a believer with sore nuts.
My smith was hesitant about the short barrels until we did a side by side comparison of a 20 inch kreiger next to a 26 inch factory tube. 2740 with my handloads out of the factory tube and 2730 out of the kreiger. He is a believer with sore nuts.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbobike1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My smith told me you lose 30-60fps at the muzzle for every inch you take away under 26.5" with federal gold match in a 308 win. This is from his own testing. going from 26" barrel to a 20" barrel tightened his groups .1 also from his testing... Im not sure if these are the same for everyone else but he hasnt steered me wrong yet... </div></div>
That's funny mine gained speed based on FGMM specs.
Was his test with a factory barrel?
You can't compare factory barrels with custom barrels so just because one found something doesn’t mean its fact. Too many variables in rifle building to say something is set in concrete.
To the OP, nothing changes faster then technology, except maybe ones own mind. Your father-in-law needs to get out more.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbobike1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My smith told me you lose 30-60fps at the muzzle for every inch you take away under 26.5" with federal gold match in a 308 win. This is from his own testing. going from 26" barrel to a 20" barrel tightened his groups .1 also from his testing... Im not sure if these are the same for everyone else but he hasnt steered me wrong yet... </div></div>
That's funny mine gained speed based on FGMM specs.
Was his test with a factory barrel?
You can't compare factory barrels with custom barrels so just because one found something doesn’t mean its fact. Too many variables in rifle building to say something is set in concrete.
To the OP, nothing changes faster then technology, except maybe ones own mind. Your father-in-law needs to get out more.
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here's the plan, get a 16" instead, then bet him you can get to 1k with it. Make sure the bet is atleast enough to get the 20" that you really want.
here's the plan, get a 16" instead, then bet him you can get to 1k with it. Make sure the bet is atleast enough to get the 20" that you really want.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ewoaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">here's the plan, get a 16" instead, then bet him you can get to 1k with it. Make sure the bet is atleast enough to get the 20" that you really want. </div></div>
I think you better make sure thats a damn good quality 16"er before you make that bet. Hate to knock anyone off the .308 alter but a high quality 16" barrel may make it to 1K fine where a 20" factory shoots keyholes with the same load. It all depends on the quality of the barrel. I'd give him a swift kick in the nutts anyway though just because he's an in-law ate up with the dumb ass.
okie
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ewoaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">here's the plan, get a 16" instead, then bet him you can get to 1k with it. Make sure the bet is atleast enough to get the 20" that you really want. </div></div>
I think you better make sure thats a damn good quality 16"er before you make that bet. Hate to knock anyone off the .308 alter but a high quality 16" barrel may make it to 1K fine where a 20" factory shoots keyholes with the same load. It all depends on the quality of the barrel. I'd give him a swift kick in the nutts anyway though just because he's an in-law ate up with the dumb ass.
okie
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can't fix stupid. </div></div>
nope.....but if you own your own business, sometimes you can charge it out of existence in your AO
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can't fix stupid. </div></div>
nope.....but if you own your own business, sometimes you can charge it out of existence in your AO
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Get the 20" then get it shooting well, and bet him you'll outshoot him. Also, for shits, ask him how far his 300 uber gun is good to. My guess is he says somewhere around 575.
Get the 20" then get it shooting well, and bet him you'll outshoot him. Also, for shits, ask him how far his 300 uber gun is good to. My guess is he says somewhere around 575.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rackchaser71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he said i was crazy for wanting a 20" barrel im not going to be able to shoot past 250 yards with that short of a barrel</div></div>
Don't kick him in the nuts. Hit him in the wallet. Whip out a $100 bill and tell him to put up or shut up. Tell him you will even double it and set a target at 500 yards. 500 is an easy target for a SPS-T with a decent scope and competent driver.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rackchaser71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he said i was crazy for wanting a 20" barrel im not going to be able to shoot past 250 yards with that short of a barrel</div></div>
Don't kick him in the nuts. Hit him in the wallet. Whip out a $100 bill and tell him to put up or shut up. Tell him you will even double it and set a target at 500 yards. 500 is an easy target for a SPS-T with a decent scope and competent driver.
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And if you by chance miss the 500, make him hit it with his to prove a point.
And if you by chance miss the 500, make him hit it with his to prove a point.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbobike1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My smith told me you lose 30-60fps at the muzzle for every inch you take away under 26.5" with federal gold match in a 308 win. This is from his own testing. going from 26" barrel to a 20" barrel tightened his groups .1 also from his testing... Im not sure if these are the same for everyone else but he hasnt steered me wrong yet... </div></div>
The 60 is way on the high side 2800 to 2380 would love to see that. Have a .260 which does just fine in that 20-22 length. The new SH build is 18....
again, come out and play Many of these "experts" are MOPP (Minute of Pie Pan....) </div></div>
I have to agree with Chiller here - especially with a factory barrel. Many SPS-Varmint (26" barrel) owners have chopped their barrel back to 20" and noticed no more than 60-70 FPS loss after the chop.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbobike1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My smith told me you lose 30-60fps at the muzzle for every inch you take away under 26.5" with federal gold match in a 308 win. This is from his own testing. going from 26" barrel to a 20" barrel tightened his groups .1 also from his testing... Im not sure if these are the same for everyone else but he hasnt steered me wrong yet... </div></div>
The 60 is way on the high side 2800 to 2380 would love to see that. Have a .260 which does just fine in that 20-22 length. The new SH build is 18....
again, come out and play Many of these "experts" are MOPP (Minute of Pie Pan....) </div></div>
I have to agree with Chiller here - especially with a factory barrel. Many SPS-Varmint (26" barrel) owners have chopped their barrel back to 20" and noticed no more than 60-70 FPS loss after the chop.
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That hits home. Showing the old dog and or tying to convience is a large challenge. Anything new, or flat something you are showing them seems to get negative reveiw. You got to prove it and even then, well, don't figure on getting the best responce.
You have to keep in mind how they are looking at it.
They would scope it, sight it in, and it is ready to go. Most likely no alterations to the gun what so ever in it's life, there won't be any reason to remove the stock for anything, and or mess with bulky turrets on a scope. OH, and why in the world would you want to waste that much ammo, let alone on paper or steel?
That may be on the extreme side of it, but often the way it comes down. It is easier to get them to go shooting then to convience them over coffee.
That hits home. Showing the old dog and or tying to convience is a large challenge. Anything new, or flat something you are showing them seems to get negative reveiw. You got to prove it and even then, well, don't figure on getting the best responce.
You have to keep in mind how they are looking at it.
They would scope it, sight it in, and it is ready to go. Most likely no alterations to the gun what so ever in it's life, there won't be any reason to remove the stock for anything, and or mess with bulky turrets on a scope. OH, and why in the world would you want to waste that much ammo, let alone on paper or steel?
That may be on the extreme side of it, but often the way it comes down. It is easier to get them to go shooting then to convience them over coffee.
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I have a rem ltr 700--It shoots better than any weatherby could dream to shoot. HAS 20 INCH BARREL.
I have a rem ltr 700--It shoots better than any weatherby could dream to shoot. HAS 20 INCH BARREL.
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We had out LTR's out to 1000. They keyhole with FGMM at that range, but I still wouldn't want to be standing down there.
We had out LTR's out to 1000. They keyhole with FGMM at that range, but I still wouldn't want to be standing down there.
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For the OP, just keep in mind that FGMM isn't ideal outta the 20" barrel and handloads will get you there with plenty of accuracy.
For the OP, just keep in mind that FGMM isn't ideal outta the 20" barrel and handloads will get you there with plenty of accuracy.
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We did a side by side comparison with a GAP .308 22" Mike Rock barrel against a 26" Bartlien over a chrony with FGMM 168. 22" barrel 2720 and the 26" 2730. Looks like I've got 4" of dead weight on my gun. Also Tim North from Broughton told us the other day that he builds .338 Lapuas on 22" barrels. Who would of thought that.
We did a side by side comparison with a GAP .308 22" Mike Rock barrel against a 26" Bartlien over a chrony with FGMM 168. 22" barrel 2720 and the 26" 2730. Looks like I've got 4" of dead weight on my gun. Also Tim North from Broughton told us the other day that he builds .338 Lapuas on 22" barrels. Who would of thought that.
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I agree with the 20” argument, my tactical 308s are stiff 20's. but also remember all barrels are not created equal, length is only one variable, how the chamber is cut, how tight the bore is, bore finish (also consider the burn rate of the powder used when testing). I’m sure someone out there took a 26" barrel, and cut it down, an inch or 2 at a time, and crono'd it at each length... the same load, on the same day (or at least same conditions; barrel/ammo temperature, etc). do you think longer was faster? the questions is, how fast is fast enough to work out to 1000, or whatever (don't forget twist/bullet BC....it matters re stability/range). but I’m preaching to the choir I’m sure. oh, and I hunted with thin barreled Weatherly’s for many years (my first center fire rifle was a new German made 26" 300 with 2.75-10 Imperial, that will give you some idea how old I am) with a highly figured wood stock of course.... sometimes I needed to zero everyday to feel comfortable with it, and with the thin non floating bbl, sling tension, etc…. it got the job done, but gees. Roy Sr. was a great salesman, stylist, and promoter. Sorry, I got off track…….
I agree with the 20” argument, my tactical 308s are stiff 20's. but also remember all barrels are not created equal, length is only one variable, how the chamber is cut, how tight the bore is, bore finish (also consider the burn rate of the powder used when testing). I’m sure someone out there took a 26" barrel, and cut it down, an inch or 2 at a time, and crono'd it at each length... the same load, on the same day (or at least same conditions; barrel/ammo temperature, etc). do you think longer was faster? the questions is, how fast is fast enough to work out to 1000, or whatever (don't forget twist/bullet BC....it matters re stability/range). but I’m preaching to the choir I’m sure. oh, and I hunted with thin barreled Weatherly’s for many years (my first center fire rifle was a new German made 26" 300 with 2.75-10 Imperial, that will give you some idea how old I am) with a highly figured wood stock of course.... sometimes I needed to zero everyday to feel comfortable with it, and with the thin non floating bbl, sling tension, etc…. it got the job done, but gees. Roy Sr. was a great salesman, stylist, and promoter. Sorry, I got off track…….
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing will open his eyes faster than an 18.5" barreled 308 ringing steel plates at 1,000!!!
After his eyes are wide open...then you should kick him in the nuts!
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This is true. My dad never was into anything other than your typical hunting rifle so when I started buying ARs and Long Range rifles he kinda warmed up on the ideabut always told me that there was no place for ARs and even semi handguns. His hate towards the black rifle began when we were hunting on the Oregon/Cali border when I guy came climbing up out of the bushes with a AR-15 which had a NCstar scope and I am not kidding the guy had ammo bandolier's swung over his shoulders like it was World War three. He was all camoed up and looked like he was out if his mind. He ran up to us and asked us what state he was in, when we told him he just sweared, "Shit, Shit, Shit" as he ran back down the hillside. We were over twenty miles from Cali. I have now forced him to shoot the guns and he has a new respect for all rifles including the black ones.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing will open his eyes faster than an 18.5" barreled 308 ringing steel plates at 1,000!!!
After his eyes are wide open...then you should kick him in the nuts!
This is true. My dad never was into anything other than your typical hunting rifle so when I started buying ARs and Long Range rifles he kinda warmed up on the ideabut always told me that there was no place for ARs and even semi handguns. His hate towards the black rifle began when we were hunting on the Oregon/Cali border when I guy came climbing up out of the bushes with a AR-15 which had a NCstar scope and I am not kidding the guy had ammo bandolier's swung over his shoulders like it was World War three. He was all camoed up and looked like he was out if his mind. He ran up to us and asked us what state he was in, when we told him he just sweared, "Shit, Shit, Shit" as he ran back down the hillside. We were over twenty miles from Cali. I have now forced him to shoot the guns and he has a new respect for all rifles including the black ones.
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You can get 20" to 1k if you use the right bullet/load. Your F-I-L is typical of a lot of old timers. My dad still has "legendary" printed all over his favorite caliber in his mind too. You probably won't change that.
I personally would prefer the longer barrel as I think it will give you more versatility. But if all you ever plan to do is shoot one bullet...you don't need it.
As for the kick in the nuts, that's a two way street. Don't think just because your young you can kick my ass. I'm old and really devious and I don't quit when you're down. And,if you start it, we're not even until I'm ahead.
I'm sure my F-I-L wanted to kick me in the nuts more than once as I wanted to with him. My S-I-L needed a serious kick in the nuts. He went to see Avatar and came back saying that's why Army Rangers are bad. We had a little sit-down talk in the living room and I explained to him the values of Army Rangers and that he, who didn't work in the forest either, doesn't seem to know a damn thing about:
a) actually working
b) forest/land management
c) what our military really does do for him.
Once the record was straight, peace came back to the family.
Buy the rifle you want and shoot it the way you want. If it don't work out then he can have something to say.
You can get 20" to 1k if you use the right bullet/load. Your F-I-L is typical of a lot of old timers. My dad still has "legendary" printed all over his favorite caliber in his mind too. You probably won't change that.
I personally would prefer the longer barrel as I think it will give you more versatility. But if all you ever plan to do is shoot one bullet...you don't need it.
As for the kick in the nuts, that's a two way street. Don't think just because your young you can kick my ass. I'm old and really devious and I don't quit when you're down. And,if you start it, we're not even until I'm ahead.
I'm sure my F-I-L wanted to kick me in the nuts more than once as I wanted to with him. My S-I-L needed a serious kick in the nuts. He went to see Avatar and came back saying that's why Army Rangers are bad. We had a little sit-down talk in the living room and I explained to him the values of Army Rangers and that he, who didn't work in the forest either, doesn't seem to know a damn thing about:
a) actually working
b) forest/land management
c) what our military really does do for him.
Once the record was straight, peace came back to the family.
Buy the rifle you want and shoot it the way you want. If it don't work out then he can have something to say.
