Need some help here. I have a NF nxs 3.5-15 F1 I plan to use. The thing is I question if that is a good choice. I see lots of people running much higher mag on .22’s. What are you running and why? Will what I have be enough to stay competitive?
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View thread Contact supportYes and no. On my center fire prs rigs I seldom zoom past 18 power. For positional shooting, I don’t feel like I need it. But .22 rimfire is much smaller, so spotting impacts would be harder.The better one can see, the better the accuracy . . . huh?
Awesome setup!!I am using a 5-25 Gen 2 PST FFP.. It is clear at 25 yards when not on max power, usually I am shooting around 6-8x.. Spotting on steel is not an issue even with your 4-14x.
The issues are as mentioned, the paper stage that is usually at 50 yards, but they did have the 100yard paper during one COF. 25x is great for that. Evening shooting also presents challenges in the winter as it get dark.
Seems everyone gets the 25yard parallax thing, but so many do not get the FOV thing. You' most likely go to the matches (this was way more common when the first NRL22 matches started) and see some guy or even a couple of guys with really heigh magnification scopes. thinking 10x bottom is all they need.. The issue is even at 10x it is a pin hole at 25 and 50 yards. These guys almost always struggle. Depending on the NRL22 match, the targets might be set amongst other targets on the range. A wide FOV really helps in seeing the landmarks to quickly acquire the correct targets. Think about your regular center fire positional match where we are around 12x the entire match .. there are few targets closer than 250y and often past 1000. Running the NRL22 mach at the same 12x power at 25y is kinda like having 10x less FOV... Sure it doesn't work out exactly like that but it illustrates the point.
You'll also want an FFP for the hold over stages and if for nothing else to match your centerfire match rifle. I agree with 300ATT -- another great feature of this model is the Razor HD zero system. You score more points by being in the X-ring on the paper targets a perfect zero helps.. Personally, I separate myself most and probable won the most matches, in a large part, because of the paper stage score.. sometimes by a healthy margin. PST on the rifle below
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Wow that sure is a different take than I’ve posted it or experienced. The 1/4” KYL is at 25 yards.A high magnification scope is handy on the 1/4” target on the KYL. You won’t need a 40 power scope but something with a max magnification of 24-25 or so is nice to have on that stage. Otherwise like most people mentioned, you will spend most of your time at 10-16 power depending on your optic and preference.
We set our KYL just beyond 50 yards - 20x helps.
For centerfire, I rarely go over 18x.
For nrl22, I’m almost exclusively at 25x or whatever max power is available. This is because the targets are easily found even with a smaller fov. Also, because of virtually no recoil, you won’t lose the target with small FOV.
For PRS .22 I tend to go back to max 18x and sometimes max power once I’m on target depending on its size.
You can be competitive and win with a 15x. It’s just nice to have some extra. If you can afford it, go for it.
Yes, correct I forgot about that COFThis month the KYL rack is at 35 yards. Not a huge difference. But the July and October (2018) NRL 22 had the KYL at 50 yards.
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I 100% agree 5-25 is great for the NRL 22 - I just believe mostly it is to much. Especially if you want to train.
Is your NRL22 set in the smallbire silhouette range? Our clubs is as well as another local club ( our club is officially part of the NRL22 and the other just uses the COF)..
There ends up being a lot of berms and targets.
I see christmas tree reticles mentioned above as recommended but I have 0 experience using one with a 22 lr rifle.
I've got a Vudoo ordered so I was trying to decide what optic I want to put on it. My two leading choices were S&B PMII 5-25 or Kahles k525i but I have no idea on reticle.
Looks like S&B has H37, H58, H59 and TReMoR2 available.
Kahles is a bit simpler looks like the only tree reticle option there is SKMR3.
Does anyone have any experience or recommendation between the two optics or those reticles? Should I consider something else?
Reticle preference is a very personal thing to many of us. If starting from scratch I highly recommend a reticle with all .2 mil hashes. I have stayed with the H59 since it came out and have no reason to want to change.
I'm starting from scratch basically. I have a 6.5CM rifle with a 4.5-27 Razor with the EBR2-C reticle on it, but that's really my only experience with those style reticles.
Ill definitely check out the h59, is there a reticle simulator that would show what it looks like on different powers? Like 5x and 25x?
Looks like they have a ton of information available on the Horus website downloaded the spec sheet and guide to read through.
Why not grab the 5-25 PSTII it will have the same reticle as your Razor and 25y parallax for your 22 will letting you buy more ammo
Glass really. I don't like the PST II glass at all. I had one on a different rifle for a while and it really fell apart on optical quality past 18x. Thats what I replaced with the Razor actually.
I'm starting from scratch basically. I have a 6.5CM rifle with a 4.5-27 Razor with the EBR2-C reticle on it, but that's really my only experience with those style reticles.
Ill definitely check out the h59, is there a reticle simulator that would show what it looks like on different powers? Like 5x and 25x?
Looks like they have a ton of information available on the Horus website downloaded the spec sheet and guide to read through.
So your saying my 3.5-15 would be ideal?At our NRL22 match we use a lane that isn't the widest, so the previous or next stage can be very close to the one we are shooting, thus myself and others have shot the wrong targets, since most of the NRL 22 targets are round, it can be confusing at times. So 25x isn't working well for me in dynamic stages.
I need the FOV big enough to see the target layout to make sure I'm on the correct steel. Seems like 12-15x is about right.
Any less mag I can't see the .2's well, I holdover a lot with H59 so...
Definitely 25x for paper stages!
My biggest problem is deciding the best way to shoot a stage off obstacles as far as building the steadiest position! Especially off a barrel, it's too tall for kneeling using my solo sack and too short otherwise.
So your saying my 3.5-15 would be ideal?
Again -- if we are talking matches like NRL22 (really it has become the most popular and easiest to find):
Honestly, 5-25 is the sweat spot. You can primarily shoot at 8x-10x like I do, or 12-15x like steve123; turning it up to 25x for the paper; or shoot the entire match at 25X like Dthomas3523. We are all probably the top scorers at the end of our NRL type matches in our areas. I think what we'd all agree on is the a 5-25 with close range parallax, good reticle and good turrets are key.
The problem with "even more magnification" is you give up something. Now, if you are a benchrest guy or ELR 22 shooter, by all means more is better..
The 7-35 is like looking through a straw at 50 yards with about 3.5' FOV @ 7x also where the reticle is relatively hard to read. See again Steve's post about the reticles. BTW at max power, FOV it is a hair over 1.5' @ 50.
I saw guys chase hits by buying more magnification, like the popular 1050 Sightrons with 13y Parallax and 35% better FOV at 10x than the NF at 7x, then very quickly they started disappearing back off the 22s, as did a couple 7-35s.
Remember there is usually only one stage on paper__ sometimes unsupported where over 25x isn't going to help anyway
Yes, you can get the job done with anything~ but why repeat others mistakes.
I have an mpa mount so that helps. That said, I don’t like re zeroing constantly.haha, musical scopes. I just bought an ADM QD scope mount so I can do just that.