What powders are you guys using in your 223's. I am getting a Dillon 550B and have read that Varget is having bridging problems and not feeding right, which is a shame because I am sitting with 32#'s of it. Might have to sell some if it won't work in the Dillon.
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Re: 223 powders
AA2460 in my 650 and 550. Meters very well. Shoots good in all my 223s, too. There's a thread here somewhere on polishing the powder thrower; I'm going to try it next time mine's empty.
1911fan
AA2460 in my 650 and 550. Meters very well. Shoots good in all my 223s, too. There's a thread here somewhere on polishing the powder thrower; I'm going to try it next time mine's empty.
1911fan
Re: 223 powders
Depending what your requirements are it may meter just fine for your uses. I stick to ball powders for the 223 and the dillon but the dillon ammo is usuely used for IPSC 3 gun and here that means under 200 yards and 55 fmj bullets. Try it and see what kind of results you get. It may work just fine for your needs. What are you shooting it in?
Depending what your requirements are it may meter just fine for your uses. I stick to ball powders for the 223 and the dillon but the dillon ammo is usuely used for IPSC 3 gun and here that means under 200 yards and 55 fmj bullets. Try it and see what kind of results you get. It may work just fine for your needs. What are you shooting it in?
Re: 223 powders
I use 26.5gr of BLC-2 and 69gr Sierras. I am consistently under .25" and easliy tags clay birds at 600. I use a Lyman dispenser and it always comes out dead on.
I use 26.5gr of BLC-2 and 69gr Sierras. I am consistently under .25" and easliy tags clay birds at 600. I use a Lyman dispenser and it always comes out dead on.
Re: 223 powders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What powders are you guys using in your 223's. I am getting a Dillon 550B and have read that Varget is having bridging problems and not feeding right, which is a shame because I am sitting with 32#'s of it. Might have to sell some if it won't work in the Dillon</div></div>
I ran into the same problem with Varget in my 550. I tried all the polishing tricks off the internet, but found the best fix to bridging was a nice firm stroke to drop the powder, and three love taps on the side of the tool holder. Once I started the love taps, my issues went away. Of course, the taps slows down loading, but its something I've learned to live with.
Now, the most consistent powder I have found with regards to metering is Ramshot TAC. It flows like water, and I never have any bridging issues. I highly recommend it, and you can generally find it for around $118/8lb online.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What powders are you guys using in your 223's. I am getting a Dillon 550B and have read that Varget is having bridging problems and not feeding right, which is a shame because I am sitting with 32#'s of it. Might have to sell some if it won't work in the Dillon</div></div>
I ran into the same problem with Varget in my 550. I tried all the polishing tricks off the internet, but found the best fix to bridging was a nice firm stroke to drop the powder, and three love taps on the side of the tool holder. Once I started the love taps, my issues went away. Of course, the taps slows down loading, but its something I've learned to live with.
Now, the most consistent powder I have found with regards to metering is Ramshot TAC. It flows like water, and I never have any bridging issues. I highly recommend it, and you can generally find it for around $118/8lb online.
Re: 223 powders
Benchmark for any 55gr and 2520 for 69gr smk's. I couldnt get Benchmark to work as good with the 69gr smk's. Hey Samson what was you charge?
Benchmark for any 55gr and 2520 for 69gr smk's. I couldnt get Benchmark to work as good with the 69gr smk's. Hey Samson what was you charge?
Re: 223 powders
That is above the maximum (23.5) load listed on the hogdon website? I stopped at the maximum then tried TAC with mixed results. Im shooting it out of a savage bvss 1-9" twist...how bout you...and no signs of pressure?
That is above the maximum (23.5) load listed on the hogdon website? I stopped at the maximum then tried TAC with mixed results. Im shooting it out of a savage bvss 1-9" twist...how bout you...and no signs of pressure?
Re: 223 powders
I've been using H335 in my Dillon 550B with great results but am switching to TAC as it seems to be a better buy and works well from what I have read. I hope it works as advertised because I bought 40lbs.
I've been using H335 in my Dillon 550B with great results but am switching to TAC as it seems to be a better buy and works well from what I have read. I hope it works as advertised because I bought 40lbs.
Re: 223 powders
I've tried Varget, H380, and 748 in my 550B...H380 and 748 really flowed well and the rounds made seem to function and shoot fine. I load for bulk ammo in a 10.5 SBR, so sub-moa accuracy is not my first goal.
I've tried Varget, H380, and 748 in my 550B...H380 and 748 really flowed well and the rounds made seem to function and shoot fine. I load for bulk ammo in a 10.5 SBR, so sub-moa accuracy is not my first goal.
Re: 223 powders
BLC2 under 62 grainers with great results! meters great with my Dillon 450/550's, but the 550 has a Hornady PM w/case activated powder drop...great combo!
BLC2 under 62 grainers with great results! meters great with my Dillon 450/550's, but the 550 has a Hornady PM w/case activated powder drop...great combo!
Re: 223 powders
Rem. LTR w/1-9TW factory barrel. Lapua brass, 205M primer I don't remember exactly but it shot tighter but alot slower(2600fps range) down in the high 22gr to low 23gr range but then came back together pretty good at 24.2 and was in the mid 2850range at 1/2-5/8 @100yds. Which isn't great for that bullet but I have a butt load of Benchmark and the 69's aren't really my first choice of bullet for this gun. Benchmark works decent and flows like water but I think some of the slower powders would be a better choice for 69's and above but I love BM for 60's and under.
Rem. LTR w/1-9TW factory barrel. Lapua brass, 205M primer I don't remember exactly but it shot tighter but alot slower(2600fps range) down in the high 22gr to low 23gr range but then came back together pretty good at 24.2 and was in the mid 2850range at 1/2-5/8 @100yds. Which isn't great for that bullet but I have a butt load of Benchmark and the 69's aren't really my first choice of bullet for this gun. Benchmark works decent and flows like water but I think some of the slower powders would be a better choice for 69's and above but I love BM for 60's and under.
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Im In love with benchmark to for the 55gr's and have an 8lb keg so I was hesitant switching to another powder. I never could get my groups under 3/4 with benchmark although I stopped ladder testing at 23.1 grains. The guy I bought the gun off of recommended 24.3 gr of 2520 and at the time I couldnt get my hands on any. but now thats my load for the 69 smk.
Im In love with benchmark to for the 55gr's and have an 8lb keg so I was hesitant switching to another powder. I never could get my groups under 3/4 with benchmark although I stopped ladder testing at 23.1 grains. The guy I bought the gun off of recommended 24.3 gr of 2520 and at the time I couldnt get my hands on any. but now thats my load for the 69 smk.
Re: 223 powders
The 1950 .222 case head:
The .222 is registered with SAAMI at 50,000 psi.
The .222 can get long brass life with 75,000 psi.
The .223 is registered with SAAMI at 55,000 psi.
The .223 can get long brass life with 75,000 psi.
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The 1889 7.65x53mm Mauser case head with large Boxer primer pocket:
The .308 is registered at SAAMI with 62,000 psi.
The .308 can get long brass life at 65,000 psi
The 8mmMauser is registered at SAAMI with 35,000 psi.
The 8mmMauser can get long brass life at 65,000 psi
The .270 is registered at SAAMI with 65,000 psi.
The .270 can get long brass life at 65,000 psi
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What I do:
I run the .222 at 75,000 psi
I run the .223 at 75,000 psi
I run the .308 at 65,000 psi
I run the 8x57 at 65,000 psi
I run the .270 at 65,000 psi
What does it all mean?
Published load data for the .223 is wimpy, but it is not as bad as 8mm data.
The 1950 .222 case head:
The .222 is registered with SAAMI at 50,000 psi.
The .222 can get long brass life with 75,000 psi.
The .223 is registered with SAAMI at 55,000 psi.
The .223 can get long brass life with 75,000 psi.
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The 1889 7.65x53mm Mauser case head with large Boxer primer pocket:
The .308 is registered at SAAMI with 62,000 psi.
The .308 can get long brass life at 65,000 psi
The 8mmMauser is registered at SAAMI with 35,000 psi.
The 8mmMauser can get long brass life at 65,000 psi
The .270 is registered at SAAMI with 65,000 psi.
The .270 can get long brass life at 65,000 psi
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What I do:
I run the .222 at 75,000 psi
I run the .223 at 75,000 psi
I run the .308 at 65,000 psi
I run the 8x57 at 65,000 psi
I run the .270 at 65,000 psi
What does it all mean?
Published load data for the .223 is wimpy, but it is not as bad as 8mm data.
Re: 223 powders
I bought a pound of it when I couldnt get benchmark it was $5 cheaper a lb. Its not that cheap any more, it gave me .6-.75 results with the 69 smk & 60 sie hp, I didnt mess around with it much on the 55 grain bullets. When I was down to my last 20 benchmark reloads I found an 8lb keg so I stopped testing with it.
I bought a pound of it when I couldnt get benchmark it was $5 cheaper a lb. Its not that cheap any more, it gave me .6-.75 results with the 69 smk & 60 sie hp, I didnt mess around with it much on the 55 grain bullets. When I was down to my last 20 benchmark reloads I found an 8lb keg so I stopped testing with it.
Re: 223 powders
I have not done a lot of testing with it in 223 but works well in 308. I use it in what some call utility loads with 55 gr. in 223 with 55fmj with good results. Good results means = factory accurcy of winchester or federal 55 fmj ammo, exceeds accuracy of some of the cheap imports. I don't use it in my f-class bolt gun. I will be buying more soon onless I can find mil surplus cheaper but I doubt it.
I have not done a lot of testing with it in 223 but works well in 308. I use it in what some call utility loads with 55 gr. in 223 with 55fmj with good results. Good results means = factory accurcy of winchester or federal 55 fmj ammo, exceeds accuracy of some of the cheap imports. I don't use it in my f-class bolt gun. I will be buying more soon onless I can find mil surplus cheaper but I doubt it.
Re: 223 powders
I love Ramshot x-terminator with the lighter bullets, and a buddy of mine has used TAC with 69gr SMK to get ragged wholes at 100 in a savage. They both meter like silt.
I love Ramshot x-terminator with the lighter bullets, and a buddy of mine has used TAC with 69gr SMK to get ragged wholes at 100 in a savage. They both meter like silt.
Re: 223 powders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bluejazz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has anyone used Ramshot Tac? </div></div>
I have had lack luster results with Tac. Good velocity but poor accuracy in my guns.
Pat
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bluejazz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has anyone used Ramshot Tac? </div></div>
I have had lack luster results with Tac. Good velocity but poor accuracy in my guns.
Pat
Re: 223 powders
H322, H335 and BLC-2 are among my favorite powders for 223.I have some reloader 15 and TAC I have yet to experiment with.
H322, H335 and BLC-2 are among my favorite powders for 223.I have some reloader 15 and TAC I have yet to experiment with.
Re: 223 powders
I have had great results with TAC and heavier bullets (75-80 grains) out of a 223ai, but have been concerned with temperature sensitivity. I sent an e-mail to Ramshot and asked them about the temperature sensitivity of TAC and received this response:
"TAC is tested at -40F and +125F and at these extreme levels the deviation is less than 5%.
So at 90F it will be at most 2 % if that."
Good to know.
I have had great results with TAC and heavier bullets (75-80 grains) out of a 223ai, but have been concerned with temperature sensitivity. I sent an e-mail to Ramshot and asked them about the temperature sensitivity of TAC and received this response:
"TAC is tested at -40F and +125F and at these extreme levels the deviation is less than 5%.
So at 90F it will be at most 2 % if that."
Good to know.
Re: 223 powders
Has anyone used the new Aliant Power Pro 2000MR powder with 77's yet? The powder is out and available, and there has been some very limited reports of its use with .308. seems velocities 100-200 fps faster with heavier bulllets with the 308.
Has anyone used the new Aliant Power Pro 2000MR powder with 77's yet? The powder is out and available, and there has been some very limited reports of its use with .308. seems velocities 100-200 fps faster with heavier bulllets with the 308.
Re: 223 powders
I shoot 77 gr. SMKs for .223 and use Tac. And I reload with a dillon for .223 (Sup1050), Tac flows well through the dillon powder measure.
Note: I haven't yet tried Varget loads with the 77gr. but was loading .308 Varget loads with a Dillon powder measure. Despite trying all the tweaks (anti-static sheets, special powder baffle, tapping the powder, etc.) I was still getting +/-.5 gr. variability. So for LR, I now use a ChargeMaster happily.
Tac seemed to be the best compromise to me (for the heavier bullets).
I shoot 77 gr. SMKs for .223 and use Tac. And I reload with a dillon for .223 (Sup1050), Tac flows well through the dillon powder measure.
Note: I haven't yet tried Varget loads with the 77gr. but was loading .308 Varget loads with a Dillon powder measure. Despite trying all the tweaks (anti-static sheets, special powder baffle, tapping the powder, etc.) I was still getting +/-.5 gr. variability. So for LR, I now use a ChargeMaster happily.
Tac seemed to be the best compromise to me (for the heavier bullets).
Re: 223 powders
I use TAC (24.0 / LC09) for my 77 SMK loads and it shoots phenominal. I'll trade you an unopened 8# jug of TAC for the same of your Varget to get you started.
I use TAC (24.0 / LC09) for my 77 SMK loads and it shoots phenominal. I'll trade you an unopened 8# jug of TAC for the same of your Varget to get you started.
Re: 223 powders
Seems like the AMU likes TAC enough to use it in their ammo....and it, as well as AA2230 work great in the progressive loaders.
Seems like the AMU likes TAC enough to use it in their ammo....and it, as well as AA2230 work great in the progressive loaders.
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Re: 223 powders
I like H4895 in 223, and it feeds very well through Dillon powder measures.
There are many methods to get Varget to work in a Dillon powder measure. Polishing is ok, but I found the best results by actually opening up the inside of the powder funnel with 3 succesively larger drill bits, then polishing the inside. This creates more of a transmission funnel shape inside the powder funnel, instead of the martini glass shape it has in its original form. Also, Manually returning the slide before the case is out of the die prevents any bridging or spilling problems.
If you have 32 lbs of Varget, I would use it. But keep in mind there is a learning curve involved getting it to work in Dillon measure.
I like H4895 in 223, and it feeds very well through Dillon powder measures.
There are many methods to get Varget to work in a Dillon powder measure. Polishing is ok, but I found the best results by actually opening up the inside of the powder funnel with 3 succesively larger drill bits, then polishing the inside. This creates more of a transmission funnel shape inside the powder funnel, instead of the martini glass shape it has in its original form. Also, Manually returning the slide before the case is out of the die prevents any bridging or spilling problems.
If you have 32 lbs of Varget, I would use it. But keep in mind there is a learning curve involved getting it to work in Dillon measure.
Re: 223 powders
started with surplus powder then H335 now TAC, they all meter great in the dillon powder measures and the tac is a little cleaner than the other two, Varget is the cleanest but won't meter well enough for my needs.
started with surplus powder then H335 now TAC, they all meter great in the dillon powder measures and the tac is a little cleaner than the other two, Varget is the cleanest but won't meter well enough for my needs.
Re: 223 powders
I'm using TAC with 77 SMK's as well. Meters great on my Lock N Load. Accuracy is there as well.
I'm using TAC with 77 SMK's as well. Meters great on my Lock N Load. Accuracy is there as well.
Re: 223 powders
I use H335 for all my .223 needs - my prairie dog loads with 50 gr V-maxs - FMJ loads for fun! I have found H335 to meter extremely well. I used to load IMR 3031 but that didn't meter well at all so took a lot of time. It shot well, but was not worth the extra effort IMHO.
I use H335 for all my .223 needs - my prairie dog loads with 50 gr V-maxs - FMJ loads for fun! I have found H335 to meter extremely well. I used to load IMR 3031 but that didn't meter well at all so took a lot of time. It shot well, but was not worth the extra effort IMHO.
Re: 223 powders
aa2230 for lighter stuff flows perfect, for your 69's and up use h4895. i shoot nats nuts with the 69's over h4895
oh and send me any unused vargay, im sure ill find a use for it.
aa2230 for lighter stuff flows perfect, for your 69's and up use h4895. i shoot nats nuts with the 69's over h4895
oh and send me any unused vargay, im sure ill find a use for it.
