Even today, it still doesn't fit in an AR15, and by your own measurements, the 22CM weighs 3 lbs more than a similarly equipped ar15. Fuck, if the drop is what is keeping me from hitting the target, I'll get closer. Hint...
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why would they want to run something like lapua brass when they can get formed hornady ready to load haha and it’s not as simple as just running a piece of 6.5 grendel brass through a 6arc die. it’s necked down and the brass is shoulder bumped 30 thou using good lube.
… well, they are a business, so…
But they are very good at getting industry support for cartridges, and that’s a good thing. 6.5 CM has been a massive success and it is a great all around cartridge. The PRCs seem to be a hit too. That doesn’t just happen because Hornady wants to make money. That happens when they’re a good product with wide ranging support. Otherwise they’d end up like 6.8 Western. And you don’t need to use Hornady brass or anything. Part of that industry support they cultivate means products from many different companies, on top of the rather good factory loads. I try not to be a fanboy of anything, but factory ELD-X/M loads have shot incredibly well in all my rifles.
Keep loading older wildcats that helped influence modern factory cartridges if you’d like. Have fun. But that doesn’t make Hornady offerings not worthwhile.
I'm guessing there are two reasons the 6A case is 0.30 shorter than the 65G:
1. They want to seat their long 6mm 108gr bullets to 2.260 mag length while keeping the bearing surface above the case shoulder; supposedly that's a built-in accuracy feature.
2. They wanted/needed to make the 6A case different enough from 65G so guys didn't jam 65G cartridges into 6A chambers. Greedy lawyers have created hassles for normal people in more ways than I can count....
Having said that, yes, I wish the 6A case was the same length as the 65G case, but it's not a deal-breaker.
I'll add another.
3. Robert Whitley and his quest to sue anyone who dared market a straight up 6mm Grendel, sorry "6mmAR."
I think that your #1 is the main reason for the development of the 6 ARC, but Whitley certainly gave a company like Hornady plenty of incentive to think outside the box a bit.
As long as it takes for the next fad to come along.
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This one has me interested for a relatively cheap to shoot long range gas gun round that should at least be competitive for local matches. 6 arc has been really impressive but being able to run 88 eld or maybe 90 a tips with a more stable powder like h4350 or stabal 6.5, which I have a bunch of, is appealing.
can’t remember where but I thought I saw a builder comment about 4k in regard to 22 grendel.
This one has me interested for a relatively cheap to shoot long range gas gun round that should at least be competitive for local matches. 6 arc has been really impressive but being able to run 88 eld or maybe 90 a tips with a more stable powder like h4350 or stabal 6.5, which I have a bunch of, is appealing.
I understand making precise chrome lined barrels is a particular skill that takes work. But I’d really like more custom barrel manufacturers to start offering QPQ nitriding as an option for extending barrel life to make some of these hot cartridges a little more usable.
I listened to a podcast recently and this was brought up. It sounded like after testing, nitriding had minimal to negative effect on barrel life. You still get fire cracking but the increased hardness makes it more likely for pieces to break loose.
Interesting. Do you remember the podcast?
Testing I’ve read about (admittedly only with 5.56) showed long barrel life even with full auto regimens. I don’t have any that testing in the form of a study/paper to reference or anything. But I’m open to other info.
I want to say it was one of Erik cortina’s believe the target podcasts with frank green. I’ve listened to quite a few of those lately. I could be wrong about the whole thing though also.
Correction. It was the small arms solutions podcast with Monty of Centurion Arms. Around 45 min he’s talking about it.
If you guys would like more information on why Hornady need to step up look to White Oak Armory, where they show the destroyed BCGs because the chamber and cartridge Designs wasn't quite perfect. IMO, I believe that the chamber cut is probably the critical issue being faced... I just hope that the Industry don't go down the same road like the .224Valkyrie not understanding that it doesn't use 5.56/.223 burn rate powders.....Like the Valkyrie( & 6.5Cm) it uses powders in the 4350 burn rate and will require a rifle+2 gas system or you will continue to destroy the brass cases. I have two guns just waiting on barrels. I hope that Faxon is on board because I've had great success with their barrels ..( own six).. I hope this bring some insight.
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If you guys would like more information on why Hornady needed to step up look to White Oak Armory, where they show the destroyed 6mm ARC BCGs because the chamber and cartridge Designs wasn't quite perfect. IMO, I believe that the chamber cut is probably the critical issue being faced... I just hope that the Industry don't go down the same road like the .224Valkyrie not understanding that it doesn't use 5.56/.223 burn rate powders.....Like the Valkyrie (& 6.5Cm) ( in a .224 bore)it uses powders in the 4350 burn rate and will require a rifle+2 gas system or you will continue to destroy the brass cases. I have two guns just waiting on barrels. I hope that Faxon is on board because I've had great success with their barrels ..( own six).. I hope this bring some insight.
If you guys would like more information on why Hornady needed to step up look to White Oak Armory, where they show the destroyed 6mm ARC BCGs because the chamber and cartridge Designs wasn't quite perfect. IMO, I believe that the chamber cut is probably the critical issue being faced... I just hope that the Industry don't go down the same road like the .224Valkyrie not understanding that it doesn't use 5.56/.223 burn rate powders.....Like the Valkyrie (& 6.5Cm) ( in a .224 bore)it uses powders in the 4350 burn rate and will require a rifle+2 gas system or you will continue to destroy the brass cases. I have two guns just waiting on barrels. I hope that Faxon is on board because I've had great success with their barrels ..( own six).. I hope this bring some insight.
John Holliger has been saying the same thing for the last 15 years. The market plainly disagrees with him... And you too.
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