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Range Report .270 long range
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Re: .270 long range
I believe that ChadTRG42 has shot his in excess of 1000yd with the 140 or 150 Berger and had excellent results.
I believe that ChadTRG42 has shot his in excess of 1000yd with the 140 or 150 Berger and had excellent results.
Re: .270 long range
A group of us tried it and couldn't get there reliably. I wouldn't put too much time into it, go with a 6.5 .260 or 7mm
A group of us tried it and couldn't get there reliably. I wouldn't put too much time into it, go with a 6.5 .260 or 7mm
Re: .270 long range
Great hunter, go .280 or .30-'06 for LR target work. For the short action, the above advice is right on.
Great hunter, go .280 or .30-'06 for LR target work. For the short action, the above advice is right on.
Re: .270 long range
BTDT with trying to go long with the 270
Things were OK to 500 or so and then began to fall apart at 6-700. The bullet selection in 270 for long range use just isn't there IMO.
As stated before--Stick with the 6.5 /7mm / .308 match bullets.
BTDT with trying to go long with the 270
Things were OK to 500 or so and then began to fall apart at 6-700. The bullet selection in 270 for long range use just isn't there IMO.
As stated before--Stick with the 6.5 /7mm / .308 match bullets.
Re: .270 long range
I have heard the same advice on a 270. The VLDs make it tempting but I haven't heard many success stories on consistent long range load development. Everyone seems to say the 130 grain projectiles are best in their rifles and unfortunately there are to many other options to consider using the 130s at long distance. IMO stick with the 270 for a medium to big game hunting rifle at close to medium distance. There is a sticky thread for caliber selection in the bolt action rifle section. Check it out. A lot of useful information!
I have heard the same advice on a 270. The VLDs make it tempting but I haven't heard many success stories on consistent long range load development. Everyone seems to say the 130 grain projectiles are best in their rifles and unfortunately there are to many other options to consider using the 130s at long distance. IMO stick with the 270 for a medium to big game hunting rifle at close to medium distance. There is a sticky thread for caliber selection in the bolt action rifle section. Check it out. A lot of useful information!
Re: .270 long range
I keep on meaning to try mine out past 500 but always end up falling back on the 30 cals. Theoretically the 135 SMK's should be fine out to 1000, the 150 Bergers however do seem a better proposition. I think the lack of decent bullet selection plus other factors (increased recoil / blast / long action etc) just don't do the calibre any favours. Its not to say though that with the right load and rifle set up it has the potential to be very proficient at long range.
I keep on meaning to try mine out past 500 but always end up falling back on the 30 cals. Theoretically the 135 SMK's should be fine out to 1000, the 150 Bergers however do seem a better proposition. I think the lack of decent bullet selection plus other factors (increased recoil / blast / long action etc) just don't do the calibre any favours. Its not to say though that with the right load and rifle set up it has the potential to be very proficient at long range.
Re: .270 long range
While many people were hoping to see higher BCs from Bergers .277 bullets, Berger knew they would sell more bullets to all the 1:10 twist rifles out there. With that said the 150gr Berger with a .531 BC driven at 2800 fps will handily beat the common .308 load of 175 smk @2650 that most everyone tout as very 1000 yd capable. My current DA is 8200 and that means this load doesnt go subsonic until 1570 yards which leaves plenty of room for 1000 yd stability even at sea level. My plain jane .270 win hunting rifle is holding under 1" at 300 with less than 1/2" of vertical. I will stretch its legs out soon in preparation for an upcoming mule deer hunt. I say get some bergers and see how they work for you.
56.8 gr H4831, 150 GR Berger @ 3.35" in 22" barrel.
While many people were hoping to see higher BCs from Bergers .277 bullets, Berger knew they would sell more bullets to all the 1:10 twist rifles out there. With that said the 150gr Berger with a .531 BC driven at 2800 fps will handily beat the common .308 load of 175 smk @2650 that most everyone tout as very 1000 yd capable. My current DA is 8200 and that means this load doesnt go subsonic until 1570 yards which leaves plenty of room for 1000 yd stability even at sea level. My plain jane .270 win hunting rifle is holding under 1" at 300 with less than 1/2" of vertical. I will stretch its legs out soon in preparation for an upcoming mule deer hunt. I say get some bergers and see how they work for you.
56.8 gr H4831, 150 GR Berger @ 3.35" in 22" barrel.
Re: .270 long range
A 270 cal can shoot just as far and well as any other chambering! Many of the typical bullets used for the 308 have less BC than many 270 offerings.
I shoot a 270 WSM but I am currently running the 140's near what a 270 win runs them and I shoot it at 1000yrds all the time, very well in fact for a hunting rifle, I was shooting at 1450 the other evening with little problem.
There are people working on getting some high BC 270 cal bullets but it is slow going.
A 270 cal can shoot just as far and well as any other chambering! Many of the typical bullets used for the 308 have less BC than many 270 offerings.
I shoot a 270 WSM but I am currently running the 140's near what a 270 win runs them and I shoot it at 1000yrds all the time, very well in fact for a hunting rifle, I was shooting at 1450 the other evening with little problem.
There are people working on getting some high BC 270 cal bullets but it is slow going.
Re: .270 long range
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigngreen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 270 cal can shoot just as far and well as any other chambering! Many of the typical bullets used for the 308 have less BC than many 270 offerings.
I shoot a 270 WSM but I am currently running the 140's near what a 270 win runs them and I shoot it at 1000yrds all the time, very well in fact for a hunting rifle, I was shooting at 1450 the other evening with little problem.
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In fact, according to JBM even a lowly 130 Hornady spirepoint at 3000 fps @SEA LEVEL can make it almost 1100 yards supersonic. The point is that bullet does not know what cartridge it came from. It only knows its BC, its velocity and where its pointed. Assuming it came from an accurate barrel, predicting where its going to hit is just math and wind.
If you own a 270 that you can shoot under an inch by all means go shoot it as far as you can as often as you can. Some quality reloads with 150sst's or 150BT's will definitely help your cause and your vertical, but go have some fun.
If you thinking of buying a rifle there are better choices out there, which others have already noted
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigngreen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 270 cal can shoot just as far and well as any other chambering! Many of the typical bullets used for the 308 have less BC than many 270 offerings.
I shoot a 270 WSM but I am currently running the 140's near what a 270 win runs them and I shoot it at 1000yrds all the time, very well in fact for a hunting rifle, I was shooting at 1450 the other evening with little problem.
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In fact, according to JBM even a lowly 130 Hornady spirepoint at 3000 fps @SEA LEVEL can make it almost 1100 yards supersonic. The point is that bullet does not know what cartridge it came from. It only knows its BC, its velocity and where its pointed. Assuming it came from an accurate barrel, predicting where its going to hit is just math and wind.
If you own a 270 that you can shoot under an inch by all means go shoot it as far as you can as often as you can. Some quality reloads with 150sst's or 150BT's will definitely help your cause and your vertical, but go have some fun.
If you thinking of buying a rifle there are better choices out there, which others have already noted
Re: .270 long range
I forgot, but you can download the berger bullets ballistic computer for free I believe. Google it and find out. Then you can play with atmospherics. I don't know anything about the Berger though because I have never used it
I forgot, but you can download the berger bullets ballistic computer for free I believe. Google it and find out. Then you can play with atmospherics. I don't know anything about the Berger though because I have never used it
Re: .270 long range
Yesterday I was chronographing the 270s:
150 gr VLD 3050 fps average 55 gr Re17
130 gr VLD about the same velocity with 55.8 gr H414
The featherweight rifle shoots the 130 gr better.
Yesterday I was chronographing the 270s:
150 gr VLD 3050 fps average 55 gr Re17
130 gr VLD about the same velocity with 55.8 gr H414
The featherweight rifle shoots the 130 gr better.
Re: .270 long range
When I first got into LR shooting, I took the Prec Rifle course at Tac Pro with my Howa 1500 in 270 Win. I wanted to learn ballistics and do my research on rifles/calibers before I bought a high end rifle and scope. The 270 did great. I had worked up a good 3/4 MOA load with the 135 SMK, and ran that at 2990 fps. It worked perfect and shot great out to about 800 yards. The rifle limited me when the barrel got hot, so at 900 and 1K groups opened up. But on a cold/warm bore, it would be ok. I have since free floated and bedded it, and it shoots even better now. It wears a Zeiss Conquest 3-10x44 scope and shoots the 130 SST's right at 1/2 MOA at 3198 fps.
The 270 shoots flatter and drifts less than a 308 Win. So, it's more than capable. But you have to know the ballistics and be capable as a shooter to apply it. The top bullets will be the Berger VLD's (130, 140 or 150), Sierra MK, and the Hornady SST's. I prefer the 130 SST's, since I use my 270 for hunting, and the BC is still pretty good. Most people will use the 270 for hunting, which your average shot will be under 300 yards. So fast and flat is my goal, and can still take the long shots if needed. But if all you had was a 270 and wanted it for long range shooting, the 150 grain bullets with the highest BC would be the way to go. But, there are much better caliber options than a 270 for long range shooting. Anything in 6.5mm (.264) or 7mm (.284) would be a better choice for higher BC bullets.
When I first got into LR shooting, I took the Prec Rifle course at Tac Pro with my Howa 1500 in 270 Win. I wanted to learn ballistics and do my research on rifles/calibers before I bought a high end rifle and scope. The 270 did great. I had worked up a good 3/4 MOA load with the 135 SMK, and ran that at 2990 fps. It worked perfect and shot great out to about 800 yards. The rifle limited me when the barrel got hot, so at 900 and 1K groups opened up. But on a cold/warm bore, it would be ok. I have since free floated and bedded it, and it shoots even better now. It wears a Zeiss Conquest 3-10x44 scope and shoots the 130 SST's right at 1/2 MOA at 3198 fps.
The 270 shoots flatter and drifts less than a 308 Win. So, it's more than capable. But you have to know the ballistics and be capable as a shooter to apply it. The top bullets will be the Berger VLD's (130, 140 or 150), Sierra MK, and the Hornady SST's. I prefer the 130 SST's, since I use my 270 for hunting, and the BC is still pretty good. Most people will use the 270 for hunting, which your average shot will be under 300 yards. So fast and flat is my goal, and can still take the long shots if needed. But if all you had was a 270 and wanted it for long range shooting, the 150 grain bullets with the highest BC would be the way to go. But, there are much better caliber options than a 270 for long range shooting. Anything in 6.5mm (.264) or 7mm (.284) would be a better choice for higher BC bullets.
Re: .270 long range
Ok good I am glad I found this thread. A buddy of mine just got a 270 Vanguard given to him by his boss. He wanted to get out and shoot with me (when I can find somewhere to shoot LR around here). I started looking into the selection a little more and thoughts were the 135 SMK (0.488), with the Barnes 130 TSX (0.431) for a hunting load pushed around the same speeds as the 135. Longest shot on a deer in MI will probably be around 500 with most in the 1-300 range. Or of course just shoot the 150 Berger VLD (0.531) for both paper and hunting.
Ok good I am glad I found this thread. A buddy of mine just got a 270 Vanguard given to him by his boss. He wanted to get out and shoot with me (when I can find somewhere to shoot LR around here). I started looking into the selection a little more and thoughts were the 135 SMK (0.488), with the Barnes 130 TSX (0.431) for a hunting load pushed around the same speeds as the 135. Longest shot on a deer in MI will probably be around 500 with most in the 1-300 range. Or of course just shoot the 150 Berger VLD (0.531) for both paper and hunting.
Re: .270 long range
I think I have found the screaming 270 load:
130 gr VLD moly 3.34" 57.7 gr Re17 , 22" barrel
3228 fps over chonograph
Quickload predicts 3,219 fps 70,604 psi
The insertion force for primers after firing this load is still good.
That would correspond to 3440 fps from a 26" barrel
I think I have found the screaming 270 load:
130 gr VLD moly 3.34" 57.7 gr Re17 , 22" barrel
3228 fps over chonograph
Quickload predicts 3,219 fps 70,604 psi
The insertion force for primers after firing this load is still good.
That would correspond to 3440 fps from a 26" barrel
Re: .270 long range
Sounds good clark!
No reason why it shouldnt be a capable round in the right hands.
Sounds good clark!
No reason why it shouldnt be a capable round in the right hands.
Re: .270 long range
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Quickload predicts 3,219 fps 70,604 psi </div></div>
You are f'in nuts! You're almost 14% over 62K psi. I keep waiting for you to report on one or more of your firearms that you blowd' yourself up.
(blowd'= def.- redneck method to render apart, shatter, or destroy by explosion).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Quickload predicts 3,219 fps 70,604 psi </div></div>
You are f'in nuts! You're almost 14% over 62K psi. I keep waiting for you to report on one or more of your firearms that you blowd' yourself up.
(blowd'= def.- redneck method to render apart, shatter, or destroy by explosion).
Re: .270 long range
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally Posted By: Clark
Quickload predicts 3,219 fps 70,604 psi
You are f'in nuts! You're almost 14% over 62K psi. I keep waiting for you to report on one or more of your firearms that you blowd' yourself up.
(blowd'= def.- redneck method to render apart, shatter, or destroy by explosion).
Edited by ChadTRG42 (Today at 10:38)
Edit Reason: def of blowd'
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Chad,
If you were a highly paid consulting engineer and you saw that data in your profession, you might present your concerns differently by asking questions until you understood more.
"Aren't you concerned with the reliability of the guns and ammo at that pressure?"
That way you could learn what you are up against before you make any statements that might later turn out to be incorrect, which could lower your credibility and income.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally Posted By: Clark
Quickload predicts 3,219 fps 70,604 psi
You are f'in nuts! You're almost 14% over 62K psi. I keep waiting for you to report on one or more of your firearms that you blowd' yourself up.
(blowd'= def.- redneck method to render apart, shatter, or destroy by explosion).
Edited by ChadTRG42 (Today at 10:38)
Edit Reason: def of blowd'
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Chad,
If you were a highly paid consulting engineer and you saw that data in your profession, you might present your concerns differently by asking questions until you understood more.
"Aren't you concerned with the reliability of the guns and ammo at that pressure?"
That way you could learn what you are up against before you make any statements that might later turn out to be incorrect, which could lower your credibility and income.
Re: .270 long range
Clark,
You get called a nut and in return give advice on how to earn more money?
You need a former drill Sargent therapist to tell you that you are a wuss and throw a Kleenex box at you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhlWddAXSRA
Did I spell 'wuss' right? It rhymes with puss.
Clark,
You get called a nut and in return give advice on how to earn more money?
You need a former drill Sargent therapist to tell you that you are a wuss and throw a Kleenex box at you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhlWddAXSRA
Did I spell 'wuss' right? It rhymes with puss.
Re: .270 long range
I tried it because jbm analysis suggested it should be pretty good at 1000 yards with decent bc and high muzzle velocity.
In practice I could not get the runout on reloads consistent enough to give decent groups. When I picked low runout bullets and shot then I got good groups and ok long range results but the percentages were poor.
So I stopped playing about with it, stuck to the 308 and eventually sold the 270
I tried it because jbm analysis suggested it should be pretty good at 1000 yards with decent bc and high muzzle velocity.
In practice I could not get the runout on reloads consistent enough to give decent groups. When I picked low runout bullets and shot then I got good groups and ok long range results but the percentages were poor.
So I stopped playing about with it, stuck to the 308 and eventually sold the 270
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We were shooting at steel plates over the weekend, intially to 650 yards and then at 860 yards.
650 was easy with a light head on wind with my Sako 75 Finnlight .270 with a standard (i.e. 20 7/8") barrel.
Was shooting 150gn Hornady SSTs (BC .525) with Aussie made ADI 2213sc powder - 57.5gns, FC brass full sized and Fed match primers.
I only had a Leupold VX2 3-9x40 on the optilocks, so elevation beyond 650 was limited. This is a factory spec hunting rifle, so 650 yards is easy given the right conditions.
Beyond that, was the realm of the .338LM and 300RUMs with Nightforce scopes etc that others had.
A nice Berger VLD or Hornady A-Max .277 155gn projectile with a BC of around 0.6+ would be nice please!
We were shooting at steel plates over the weekend, intially to 650 yards and then at 860 yards.
650 was easy with a light head on wind with my Sako 75 Finnlight .270 with a standard (i.e. 20 7/8") barrel.
Was shooting 150gn Hornady SSTs (BC .525) with Aussie made ADI 2213sc powder - 57.5gns, FC brass full sized and Fed match primers.
I only had a Leupold VX2 3-9x40 on the optilocks, so elevation beyond 650 was limited. This is a factory spec hunting rifle, so 650 yards is easy given the right conditions.
Beyond that, was the realm of the .338LM and 300RUMs with Nightforce scopes etc that others had.
A nice Berger VLD or Hornady A-Max .277 155gn projectile with a BC of around 0.6+ would be nice please!
Re: .270 long range
Nosler just came out with the Accubond Long-Range series, with a listed BC of .625 for the .277 150gr. We'll see if that pans out at distance I guess.
I was raised on the .270 Winchester, and have a soft place for it as a result, even though my .260 Rem and 6.5 Grendel have occupied the majority of my long-range shooting, in addition to .338 LM, 7mm WSM, etc.
Nosler just came out with the Accubond Long-Range series, with a listed BC of .625 for the .277 150gr. We'll see if that pans out at distance I guess.
I was raised on the .270 Winchester, and have a soft place for it as a result, even though my .260 Rem and 6.5 Grendel have occupied the majority of my long-range shooting, in addition to .338 LM, 7mm WSM, etc.
