308 lol. IMO it's good for goofing off with cheap cased ammo and that's about all I'd do with it. And by 300WM you mean 300PRC right?
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308 lol. IMO it's good for goofing off with cheap cased ammo and that's about all I'd do with it. And by 300WM you mean 300PRC right?
No 6 or 6.5 is going to deliver the same energy on target as a 30-06. At any range. Bullet diameter/energy = better kill rate.
Started out on a 06 as a kiddo, been through a lot of different rifles and barrels since then.
Would i recommend you go buy one? Probably not my first choice.
But i still have mine. I have had barrels picked out in carts waiting for checkout. And i go shoot it again just to see if it tempts me enough to pull the tube.... and its still a 3006 lol
yes they can shoot marvelous.
Especially if you hand load. Running a mild load of hybrid100v and berger190 and the thing just wont shoot bad.
As a guide i wish people would just bring something they are good with instead of the latest and greatest and spray the hillside with inept firepower.
Yep. New stuff is more efficient. But any cartridge can be made to shoot well.
Nope this isnt a match grade group. But it is a rifle bought for 150 bucks 18 years ago with bulk thrown powder and cheap remmy brass.
Would i recommend you go buy one? Probably not my first choice.
But i still have mine. I have had barrels picked out in carts waiting for checkout. And i go shoot it again just to see if it tempts me enough to pull the tube.... and its still a 3006 lol
yes they can shoot marvelous.
Especially if you hand load. Running a mild load of hybrid100v and berger190 and the thing just wont shoot bad.
As a guide i wish people would just bring something they are good with instead of the latest and greatest and spray the hillside with inept firepower.
Yep. New stuff is more efficient. But any cartridge can be made to shoot well.
Nope this isnt a match grade group. But it is a rifle bought for 150 bucks 18 years ago with bulk thrown powder and cheap remmy brass.
been doing some testing for a general purpose rifle and with a 22 inch proof barrel along with Reloader 26 I can get 3000fps with no pressure signs. I can push the 190 Berger at almost 2900 with no pressure as stated before but I have 1000 178 ELDM/Amax so why not use them. My Tooter Meredith 308 shoots the 178 at 2760fps with the varget so I am going to shoot both and call it good.
I have a GAP 6.5 Creedmore and 6mm Creedmore which both have Proof barrels also but this 30 06 is kind of like the creedmore but for men!
I have a GAP 6.5 Creedmore and 6mm Creedmore which both have Proof barrels also but this 30 06 is kind of like the creedmore but for men!
Turns out I have more .30-06 rifles than any other caliber...
I don't have a dog in this fight, but you really need to read more carefully. roamin posted factory load data, not exaggerated handloads.
The 147's at 2910 were from 6.5 PRC, not CM. Not saying that people don't fudge numbers for their favorite cartridge but this isn't one of those times.
Okay, fair point taken. Did he say 6.5 PRC? Didn’t see that. I should have thrown in something from ‘06 improved.
Energy on target is still the valid argument however. Why do most hunters who have a .30-06 have one? Well, if it wasn’t just because they inherited it, then it’s likely due to the fact that it is good to have along for any North American game. But then I already discussed that.
Are there better rounds for most anything it does now out? Sure...yawn...
There will be three more introduced at shot, if recent history repeats.
Yeah he said 6.5 PRC. And using only factory loads is probably the most relevant way to make comparisons, even though we forget it on this site, most people are shooting box ammo. Especially hunters, who are arguably the biggest group of 30-06 users there are. As far as why so many hunters use 30-06? Because their grandpa told them to. In a generation all the fudds will be recommending 6.5CM and all the young whippersnappers will be using something more advanced.Okay, fair point taken. Did he say 6.5 PRC? Didn’t see that. I should have thrown in something from ‘06 improved.
Energy on target is still the valid argument however. Why do most hunters who have a .30-06 have one? Well, if it wasn’t just because they inherited it, then it’s likely due to the fact that it is good to have along for any North American game. But then I already discussed that.
Are there better rounds for most anything it does now out? Sure...yawn...
There will be three more introduced at shot, if recent history repeats.
Just today I had a big 30-06 proponent telling me anything less wouldn't kill a deer very well. I asked if 7.62x63mm would be acceptable and he said absolutely not. I've done this enough times to be certain that the average hunter knows almost nothing about anything, so when people point to what hunters use like its some sort of scientific data point I usually fail to be impressed.
I think the .30-.30 has the most deer kills in the US. That's it I'am selling my creedmoor and .300win mag and I'am gitting a .30-.30.
I did not know the commies were in the Pacific.
They did have two or three fights with the Japs.
They also shot .60 cals.
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Guess we forget about lend Lease and Strategic bombing of factories , railroads, bridges,etc. North Africa and Italy. Lots of other stuff too, but it's late and I'm tired.
Guess we forget about lend Lease and Strategic bombing of factories , railroads, bridges,etc. North Africa and Italy. Lots of other stuff too, but it's late and I'm tired.
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none of those things sound like 30-06 lol
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Not to derail the thread but those two bombs didn't force the japs to surrender as much as we want to believe it. They surrendered because of the commies. And btw, I love the 30-06 which was probably the number one caliber of the hunting camps I grew up in. My favorite rifle is my dad's Browning, Belgium made BAR. Kicks like a mule and slings lead in all directions but the deer don't seem to mind.
I know the 30-06 is enough for black bears otherwise I would not bring one as a backup to be used if something happens to my 375. The 375 Ruger does not have much recoil is very accurate and will put good-sized two holes in a black bear no matter what angle the bear gives me, if a bullet tougher than Core-Lokt is used. The any angle ability may provide me a path to the boiler room on a bear that other cartridges would not, and if the bear were a trophy bear the 375 would do what a lot of smaller rounds would not. Not trying to start an argument just stating my reasoning behind the choice.
I originally built the 375 for a South Africa hunt that I was going to take at the end of a South Africa work trip. Unfortunately the work trip to SA got scrubbed and as of yet I have not gotten to Africa for a hunt. Like I said the 375 shoots well, accurately with limited recoil, so why not use it for black bears instead of just have it sit in the safe.
I think the 375 Ruger would be close to an ideal round to use for black bear in areas where browns/grizzlies also frequent, in the event you needed a defensive shot against one of those apex predators. I will probably do a hunt or two for black bears in BC and the apex predators might be around.
We all choose cartridges for different reasons, in most cases there are lots of other cartridges that will do the same job just as well.
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I believe this is the book that chronicles the gentleman you speak of. Great read if you have the interest and offers detailed insight on all north american game he took.
One Man, One Rifle, One Land
If I'm not mistaken, the bombs tested at Los alamos had their reactions triggered by a .30-06 case with a special plutonium projectile that started the critical reaction. Little boy used a much larger version to slam two sub critical masses together. In the early 2000s you had to trade in your .30-06 in for a .308 because it was a match winner, now you have to ditch the .308 for the next newest high pressure metric match winner because it's easier than learning a little ballistics. It's all just an effort to sell brass and barrels, which is fine, puts a lot of nice rifles up for sale at good prices.
Oorrr, you could just trade/sell everything and get a 30-06? Use 1 gun instead of needing 2.
Then I guess you like your rifle's handicapped by caliber outside of blasting with cheap Russian steel cased ammo 308 is obsolete IMO when an intermediate caliber like 224v can beat it it's safe to say that 308 no longer offers performance that is competitive.
3006 is my favorite all around cartridge. There are better rounds out there for specific things but but for a do anything around my favorite. I am a gear whore myself but people forget the person shooting is more important than the gear to a point. 308 3006 6.5 creedmore are all good. In a good rifle with good ammo and scope a capable shooter the critter or terrorist receiving the round will not be able to tell the differance. They key is know your equipment and ballistics for your load. Gun rags and gun companies need to sell more products to keep in business so are always coming up with something "new" and "better" to make business and justify it it by convincing people things like longer bolt throw make a differance. For what 99% of shooters do the 06 will do it for them.
308 is no longer competitive against other calibers in it's class and hasn't been for years. Whatever calibers you own, that other people own, or that exist does not change that.
308 is no longer competitive against other calibers in it's class because math science and physics it has nothing to do with "the fundamentals" and "sponsorships". Yet I see you want to keep that 308 for when "it all crumbles" the zombies come and you're out operating and stackin bodies.
You can practice the fundamentals all you want. It will make you a better shooter, no doubt. End of the day, though, you hit more targets with a 6 and 6.5mm than you will with a .308. I'm much less optimistic about your assessment of having the top 10 shooters regress to .308. I'd say 2 or 3 of them remain in the top 10, tops. Shooters 11 through 30 aren't that far behind and hit probability on 1-10 is going to take a notable drop.
It's all been done before and proven to be correct. Hit probabilities are mostly dependent on wind calls and the resolution necessary to make hits on a specified target size at a specified range is much higher with a .308 than it is with the smaller, faster, lower drag alternatives. The only thing the 6's and 6.5's lose on is energy (To a point) and barrel life-- neither are huge concerns for plate matches.
You can run some expensive copper solids and bridge the gap a little, but for most the .308 is a step backwards, albeit effective for most all practical purposes.
It's all been done before and proven to be correct. Hit probabilities are mostly dependent on wind calls and the resolution necessary to make hits on a specified target size at a specified range is much higher with a .308 than it is with the smaller, faster, lower drag alternatives. The only thing the 6's and 6.5's lose on is energy (To a point) and barrel life-- neither are huge concerns for plate matches.
You can run some expensive copper solids and bridge the gap a little, but for most the .308 is a step backwards, albeit effective for most all practical purposes.
What happened? I came back to this thread to see some pictures of and hear stories about nice ‘06 rifles and I’m reading trolling about why 6mm is better than .308 for PRS?
I believe that the thread you are looking for is:
It’s over on the “PRS R Us” forum. I’m sure you will be able to find plenty of people to argue the nuances of equipment carry over there.
So please stop trolling this thread with your useless drivel and let the people with their real rifles enjoy some discussion. Unless of course, you wish to post a picture of your favorite ‘06 for us, of course.
I believe that the thread you are looking for is:
It’s over on the “PRS R Us” forum. I’m sure you will be able to find plenty of people to argue the nuances of equipment carry over there.
So please stop trolling this thread with your useless drivel and let the people with their real rifles enjoy some discussion. Unless of course, you wish to post a picture of your favorite ‘06 for us, of course.
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I tried to keep it on topic but I have failed. All the bra wearing jelly donut eaters ruined it.
I shoot both, plus my favorite .260, a 6 BR mouse fart and a .224V.
And yes, the 6BR will be easier to develop a load for, with a bit more than half the powder than the ‘06. It will also make easier hits on steel to 1000+, as long as there is a flasher or camera on the steel to let me know I made an impact. Put my ‘06 on the same steel and I’ll see that impact.
Would I take my 6BR with me to hunt elk or caribou or moose with? Well no, that sounds stupid when you say it out loud, now doesn’t it? Bear? Lolol!!
And yes, the 6BR will be easier to develop a load for, with a bit more than half the powder than the ‘06. It will also make easier hits on steel to 1000+, as long as there is a flasher or camera on the steel to let me know I made an impact. Put my ‘06 on the same steel and I’ll see that impact.
Would I take my 6BR with me to hunt elk or caribou or moose with? Well no, that sounds stupid when you say it out loud, now doesn’t it? Bear? Lolol!!
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