So do muzzle loaders and flint point arrows.Still kills shit dead.
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SubscribeSo do muzzle loaders and flint point arrows.Still kills shit dead.
Not at 1000 yards they dont.So do muzzle loaders and flint point arrows.
Not even close.8mm mauser?
I don’t have anything, in particular, against the 30-06. There may not be an older cartridge that is as capable. That would be an argument for relavence in… 1906. But, it’s 2024. We’re chockablock full of cartridges more capable. Some of them being ballistically superior while being simultaneously lower recoiling.Name me one cartridge that is 118 years old that is ballistically superior to the 30-06.
Name one cartridge that is over 100 years old that could remotely be competitive in a 1000 yard match.
We get it @hlee you dont like the 30-06. The facts dont support your bias.
I don’t have anything, in particular, against the 30-06. There may not be an older cartridge that is as capable. That would be an argument for relavence in… 1906. But, it’s 2024. We’re chockablock full of cartridges more capable. Some of them being ballistically superior while being simultaneously lower recoiling.
With the advent of modern components, the 30-06 is arguably more capable today than it was when it was introduced.
But, with the advent of modern materials, muzzle loaders are more capable than they were when the sun set on their reign.
And, with the advent of modern materials, archery equipment is more capable than it was during the Iron Age.
And, with the advent of modern materials, bludgeoning weapons are more capable than they were during the stone age.
All of them “still kill shit dead.” That does not preclude the fact that they are all obsolete weapons technology.
Being old doesn’t equate to relevance. Being the oldest player on the field just makes you the oldest player on the field. And, being in the top of retail sales just means that market is still dominated by fudds.Nice strawman, i like the hat.
"Modern" 30-06 shares all the same technology with the 6.5 Creedmoor.
Your strawman is on fire.
The 30-06 is the only cartridge from its day, that has embraced the space age and thrives.
Its still in the top ten chamerings of any year you can name for 75 years. Some years in the top five.
It’s the number one cartridge sold in alaska.
I don’t have my rifle or a scale handy, but Kidd lists the weight of their (and by extension my) Kidd 10/22 at 7 lb 6oz. I have both competed and won local “PRS” comps with it.And dont talk to me about recoil. No one shoots a 7 lb competion rifle...not even a 22lr.
Being old doesn’t equate to relevance. Being the oldest player on the field just makes you the oldest player on the field. And, being in the top of retail sales just means that market is still dominated by fudds.
But, I get it. It’s personal, because you share a birth year. If it hasn’t been said recently, @armorpl8chikn, you are still relevant.
So you’re saying that the conversation about the obsolescence of 30-06 is obsolete?I might point out that this thread began in 2019. I'm also pretty sure I remember this discussion from 1970s gun magazines. Just saying.
That even though haters have been hating for 5 decades the round just keeps going and going? @hlee this may blow your mind but people still use muzzle loaders. There's even hunting seasons dedicated to them. By the way got any bow kills? That's a thing too, I know crazy right?I might point out that this thread began in 2019. I'm also pretty sure I remember this discussion from 1970s gun magazines. Just saying.
Yeah, I hunt with muzzle loaders, and archery equipment. They’re both so effective that they have their own special seasons.That even though haters have been hating for 5 decades the round just keeps going and going? @hlee this may blow your mind but people still use muzzle loaders. There's even hunting seasons dedicated to them. By the way got any bow kills? That's a thing too, I know crazy right?
Some of us prefer the SKILL of making an “obsolete “ platform do what the latest whiz-bang can do!Yeah, I hunt with muzzle loaders, and archery equipment. They’re both so effective that they have their own special seasons.
You know what else is obsolete? 45 acp. Waxed canvas duck clothing. LL Bean boots. Flannel, anything. Break action long arms. Pump action long arms. Lever action long arms. Revolvers. That aught’a get some hate stirring…
I really like Bartlien good company they make ssg3000 barrels great rifle.Maybe I’m doing it wrong, but my Serengeti reamer (LRI) Chamber is one of my most accurate barrels shooting 185 bergers at comfortable mag length, 3.3” if I remember correctly.
I think 3006 is all but dead, but I’m going to resurrect mine when I finally get my Magnus RR.
Yeah, archery is worse than fishing…Some of us prefer the SKILL of making an “obsolete “ platform do what the latest whiz-bang can do!
Do you know what the plus side is? We get to buy more new toys!
I don’t know, living in a region that has World famous fishing I’ve seen a lot of moneyed fishermen do some odd things!Yeah, archery is worse than fishing…
Barnes 140 TSX are “money” from my Two-sebumdy.I don’t know, living in a region that has World famous fishing I’ve seen a lot of moneyed fishermen do some odd things!
Back in High School we did a story opening weekend and had a fisherman in full Orvis gear (including waders) fly fishing from a bridge. He caught a rainbow trout and almost had it in the net and the fish spit out the hook!
Talk about chagrined!
We ALL spend money chasing the next best thing! Right now, I am working on lead free loads for 38-55 Winchester and 221 Fireball. Who’s more foolish?
On the other hand, I’ve found the lead free options give me better groups than the cup and core bullets.
I’ve gone to “Hammers “ only because I can get them, but I’m impressed with other’s results. That and I can get some “Obsolete “ diameters by asking for them. 22 Savage and 32 Winchester Special are leaders.Barnes 140 TSX are “money” from my Two-sebumdy.
X’ers unite! The ‘06 with modern bullets and powders rock! One foot on each side of the line! Just because it’s older doesn’t mean it WORKS!Im X Gen but....whatever.