30 Super Carry

[BytorJr]

An Official Journal Of The NRA | New For 2022: 30 Super Carry

Federal Premium announced the launch of 30 Super Carry, an all-new cartridge designed specifically for personal defense.

www.americanrifleman.org

Do we really need another handgun cartridge?

Let's see over the past 20-25 years:
45 GAP - toast
357 Sig - about toast
327 Federal Mag - still made in an LCR (and this is one I like the concept to get one more round in J-frame..if they still made one)
327 H&R Mag - mostly toast
32 NAA - toast

Probably missing a few here in my list as well.

What's going to make this one a legitimate marketplace member?

 

[Bigfatcock]

 

[Arc Light]

Let me guess, box of 25 will be $75-$100 and rare as Biden stringing one coherent sentence together. Yeah, no thanks.

 

[Steel head]

So basically 30 Luger ballistics in a straight case.
For the super mini .380 and 9mm carry guns it’s a decent option but I’m skeptical on its success.

 

[JakeM]

It's a fudd gun.
They are just looking for more excuses not to buy a 9 mm.

 

[BytorJr]

This should be called 32 ACP EXTRA EXTRA Long. It uses a 32 cal bullet (same as 327 Fed Mag). Unless they could make an LCP, P/CW 380, Bodyguard to use this ammo then to me it brings nothing to the table but hard to find ammo. Ammo is hard enough to find (good self-defense stuff) at a reasonable price - so let's just add this in to "alleviate" the shortage of ammo for the most common calibers.

I love how articles are pointing to 327 Fed Mag as "same ballistics" as 357, but able to fit in a J-frame. I think the 327 FM J-frame lasted about 2-3 years and it was gone. Will be interesting to see how long the 30 EZ lasts!!!

When HK, CZ, Glock or somebody like that adopts this, then I'll be convinced. Hell, HK even dropped 357 Sig.

 

[308pirate]

I saw that the other day and gave no fucks

 

[Bigfatcock]

This cartridge honestly is retarded.

 

[W54/XM-388]

frankly, ide be FAR more interested a centerfire (and quality built) version of the Keltec PMR30.....

develop a round/ gun that can give me 25-30 rounds of a fast moving .22 with at least the same power as a .380 and then ill be interested

Essentially what both the 5.7x28 and the 4.6x30 were designed to do, as well as the .22TCM

Apart from military contracts on the first 2, there hasn't been all that much interest & ammo is still expensive and hard to come by.
I think the same fate will befall any other attempts at the same thing.

 

[david walter]

There's a similar thread on 24hourcampfire.

Bottom line, a 9mm with the proper ammo for the proper application is pretty hard to beat. Trick rounds, and trick guns, not withstanding.

 

[BytorJr]

frankly, ide be FAR more interested a centerfire (and quality built) version of the Keltec PMR30.....

develop a round/ gun that can give me 25-30 rounds of a fast moving .22 with at least the same power as a .380 and then ill be interested

or a CMR with 50 round mag would make more sense than the CMMG 5.7 and 4.6. That said, this is most likely (90%+) going nowhere.

 

[BytorJr]

Haha...I forgot about 25NAA...another "new round" vanished.

 

[BytorJr]

the problem the CMR(and all keltec guns) has...is...that its made by Keltec, which is a step in build quality just below NERF...

i mean hell, Keltec has some truly amazing, and frankly innovative designs.....i just want to see them made by people who dont believe in the concept of Philips head screws as a structural component....


hell, if i could buy the Russian version of the Sub2000, ide buy 5 of them in a heart beat.

frankly, one of these, chambered in 5.7, with a 30-50 round mag would sell like fucking hot cakes

Nerf quality...LOL. Love it!!! I remember when I got my first "bug" it was "Kel-Tec P32" or Seecamp LWS 32. Then Kel-Tec came out with P3AT. I still ended up with steel and not plastic. For me it was that damn extractor Kel-Tec has. Great innovation, but crap (at best) quality. Actually toying with dispensing of said steel. In 2004 it made more sense.

 

[TurboTrout]

So with the major ammo shortage going on, this is what these geniuses used resources and time on?


30 superduper seems like a answer to a question no one asked, for a solution to a non existent problem.


This makes me question the current leadership of federal

 

[TurboTrout]

the problem the CMR(and all keltec guns) has...is...that its made by Keltec, which is a step in build quality just below NERF...

i mean hell, Keltec has some truly amazing, and frankly innovative designs.....i just want to see them made by people who dont believe in the concept of Philips head screws as a structural component....


hell, if i could buy the Russian version of the Sub2000, ide buy 5 of them in a heart beat.

frankly, one of these, chambered in 5.7, with a 30-50 round mag would sell like fucking hot cakes

This looks like one of those shitty guns fatties give themselves a MI burying next to their spam and vac sealed seeds, for when the bugaloo kicks off

Id just build another AR

They really missed an opportunity to neck a 9mm to a 30 cal....

I do think in the modern threat environment, something that can defeat armor would be a good addition for many Americans.

 

[308pirate]

develop a round/ gun that can give me 25-30 rounds of a fast moving .22 with at least the same power as a .380 and then ill be interested

Why, so you need to push 8 - 10 rounds into someone to stop him?

 

[308pirate]

I do think in the modern threat environment, something that can defeat armor would be a good addition for many Americans.

Armor defeating handgun cartridges were made illegal by the GCA.

Defeating armor is as easy as shooting someone in the face or pelvis. But that assumes one knows how to shoot. From my observations of the general handgun-owning population, that would be a bad assumption.

Handguns are the most difficult firearm to master, but most Americans focus on buying shit instead of improving skill.

 

[TurboTrout]

Armor defeating handgun cartridges were made illegal by the GCA.

Defeating armor is as easy as shooting someone in the face or pelvis. But that assumes one knows how to shoot. From my observations of the general handgun-owning population, that would be a bad assumption.

Handguns are the most difficult firearm to master, but most Americans focus on buying shit instead of improving skill.

That would also be true of most LE and mil

Still it’s a threat that would be nice if we had a better solution than “aim around the armor” for.

 

[Choid]

Women are a pretty fast growing part of the CC market. This could appeal to them. Certainly better than carrying around a lightweight Smith with 38 Special +p like their idiot husband told them to do.

 

[Choid]

That would also be true of most LE and mil

Still it’s a threat that would be nice if we had a better solution than “aim around the armor” for.

Swage your own. Be a self starter if you are so worried about shooting through armor with a handgun. You can't expect somebody else to do everything for you.

 

[308pirate]

Still it’s a threat that would be nice if we had a better solution than “aim around the armor” for.

Get busy designing a bullet that will pierce soft armor while avoiding any of the restricted materials found in the GCA and you'll be rich.

Or shit in one hand and hope in the other and see which one fills up first.

For me, I'd just rather be more capable

 

[TurboTrout]

Swage your own. Be a self starter if you are so worried about shooting through armor with a handgun. You can't expect somebody else to do everything for you.

Lol, no

The topic was a company making a pointless round, it’s a 9mm in performance, be better to neck something down to be more useful

 

[308pirate]

Women are a pretty fast growing part of the CC market. This could appeal to them. Certainly better than carrying around a lightweight Smith with 38 Special +p like their idiot husband told them to do.

Maybe

With proper training, women can handle the recoil of 9x19 service loads just fine. Seen it with my own eyes.

We go right back to what I said earlier: most Americans can't shoot a handgun worth a shit

 

[Choid]

Get busy designing a bullet that will pierce soft armor while avoiding any of the restricted materials found in the GCA and you'll be rich.

Or shit in one hand and hope in the other and see which one fills up first.

For me, I'd just rather be more capable

Exactly.

Lol, no

The topic was a company making a pointless round, it’s a 9mm in performance, be better to neck something down to be more useful

It was a joke, and I don't actually think it is legal, but not as stupid as necked down handgun ammo. Any time you turn a straight wall into a bottleneck you create major problems. Still, if you want something, do it rather than complaining that somebody else isn't.

Maybe

With proper training, women can handle the recoil of 9x19 service loads just fine. Seen it with my own eyes.

We go right back to what I said earlier: most Americans can't shoot a handgun worth a shit

I agree with you, but I am just thinking of how it will be marketed.

 

[Bigfatcock]

Women are a pretty fast growing part of the CC market. This could appeal to them. Certainly better than carrying around a lightweight Smith with 38 Special +p like their idiot husband told them to do.

This thing is 50k psi.

Solid base wadcutters in the 38 special is what I’d give the lady folks.

 

[TurboTrout]

Exactly.

It was a joke, and I don't actually think it is legal, but not as stupid as necked down handgun ammo. Any time you turn a straight wall into a bottleneck you create major problems. Still, if you want something, do it rather than complaining that somebody else isn't.

I agree with you, but I am just thinking of how it will be marketed.

Did I lead in with me giving you the illusion I’m a ammunition manufacturer?

I’m not, but I am someone who has money and buys their product

Also why is it every other industry can tell the fed to go fuck itself, except the gun world? I mean I can go down the street and buy “tobacco use only” weed stuff and no one give a shit, but we can’t have AP “display use only” ammo? Seems silly, plus I don’t see where in the bill of rights or federalist papers limiting ammo is legal in the first place.

 

[Choid]

Did I lead in with me giving you the illusion I’m a ammunition manufacturer?

I’m not, but I am someone who has money and buys their product

Also why is it every other industry can tell the fed to go fuck itself, except the gun world? I mean I can go down the street and buy “tobacco use only” weed stuff and no one give a shit, but we can’t have AP “display use only” ammo? Seems silly, plus I don’t see where in the bill of rights or federalist papers limiting ammo is legal in the first place.

Grab another shovel to go along with your kleenex.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

I'm chuckling. The worse conditions get, the more people start to fall for propaganda it starts to bring out the Snake Oil Salesmen. They are everywhere. I remember the Snake Oil Salesmen everytime there was an economic downturn.

 

[BytorJr]

Armor defeating handgun cartridges were made illegal by the GCA.

Defeating armor is as easy as shooting someone in the face or pelvis. But that assumes one knows how to shoot. From my observations of the general handgun-owning population, that would be a bad assumption.

Handguns are the most difficult firearm to master, but most Americans focus on buying shit instead of improving skill.

I'm shocked how quickly my pistol skills go to shit. Granted, I hold myself to practicing on smaller 8-10" plates at 25-35 yards and not giant pieces of paper at 7 yards. Not that paper doesn't have a place - I should have brought that out after J-frame practice (and a reminder why it just sits locked up). I'm willing to bet the average handgun owner would be doing good to hit at 5 yards - let alone under any pressure (which I need to brush up on myself).

 

[TurboTrout]

Grab another shovel to go along with your kleenex.

I don’t need no kleenex

 

[Bigfatcock]

I'm shocked how quickly my pistol skills go to shit. Granted, I hold myself to practicing on smaller 8-10" plates at 25-35 yards and not giant pieces of paper at 7 yards. Not that paper doesn't have a place - I should have brought that out after J-frame practice (and a reminder why it just sits locked up). I'm willing to bet the average handgun owner would be doing good to hit at 5 yards - let alone under any pressure (which I need to brush up on myself).

I always recommend to people that they should spend 75% of their time shooting at 25 yards and beyond, and 25% doing the tactical fagtical shit.

 

[W54/XM-388]

A decent 9mm pistol with lightly loaded rounds such as Federal's Pink Tips works well for most folks with weaker hands.

The trick is there is a direct relationship between weight of gun and ease of shooting, but there is also a direct correlation between weight of gun and chances of it being carried when needed...

Purse carrying types have a bit more options.

 

[TurboTrout]

A decent 9mm pistol with lightly loaded rounds such as Federal's Pink Tips works well for most folks with weaker hands.

The trick is there is a direct relationship between weight of gun and ease of shooting, but there is also a direct correlation between weight of gun and chances of it being carried when needed...

Purse carrying types have a bit more options.

They seriously make pink tips?

I’m all for pink tits, but so sure about pink tips lol

 

[W54/XM-388]

That would also be true of most LE and mil

Still it’s a threat that would be nice if we had a better solution than “aim around the armor” for.

I'm actually going to say it's not needed.

Trying to go through armour is a cat and mouse game that soon leads you to stupid levels.
The popularity of AR pistols along with the heat from soft armour already means many are wearing plate carriers, especially since place carriers are the new cool thing all of the sudden for LARPing.

There was one recent mass shooting attempt by a criminal with plate carriers and a rifle.
It ended quick when a policeman with good aim hit him a couple times where the plate was not.

As I recall the guys going to bust up the drawing convention had plate carriers and all that and got popped in the head by someone with a revolver.

Being able to put rounds out quickly and accurately with a handgun is going to be more important than trying to find some wonder round.
If you actually need significant punch or poke, that's where you pull out the rifle.

 

[TurboTrout]

I'm actually going to say it's not needed.

Trying to go through armour is a cat and mouse game that soon leads you to stupid levels.
The popularity of AR pistols along with the heat from soft armour already means many are wearing plate carriers, especially since place carriers are the new cool thing all of the sudden for LARPing.

There was one recent mass shooting attempt by a criminal with plate carriers and a rifle.
It ended quick when a policeman with good aim hit him a couple times where the plate was not.

As I recall the guys going to bust up the drawing convention had plate carriers and all that and got popped in the head by someone with a revolver.

Being able to put rounds out quickly and accurately with a handgun is going to be more important than trying to find some wonder round.
If you actually need significant punch or poke, that's where you pull out the rifle.

I agree, point was only if we are going to make new pistol rounds, might be good to make them do something the existing ones don’t do well

 

[W54/XM-388]

They seriously make pink tips?

I’m all for pink tits, but so sure about pink tips lol

I carry them, they work very well in compact 9mm pistols, are easy to fire and quite accurate.

 

[W54/XM-388]

I agree, point was only if we are going to make new pistol rounds, might be good to make them do something the existing ones don’t do well

There are already 2 that were originally specifically designed to do that and are available mass market
(of course the true AP versions of the ammo are LE/MIL only).

However they fell out of favour because everybody found if they really needed penetration, just go to a SBR shooting 5.56 and call it good.

 

[BoltRunner]

Call it a 30 Super Creedmoor and people would break their fuckin legs to get one... Manufacturers will continue to crap out new cartridges every month if people will buy them, put a cool name on it and market it as the best thing since sliced bread and it will probably sell. How many new cartridges in pistol and rifle have been produced that really don't do anything more than an older cartridge that's been around for years.

 

[TurboTrout]

I carry them, they work very well in compact 9mm pistols, are easy to fire and quite accurate.

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Do they also make sandwiches?

 

[BytorJr]

I always recommend to people that they should spend 75% of their time shooting at 25 yards and beyond, and 25% doing the tactical fagtical shit.

One of the big wigs of my range came down one day whilst I was practicing. I was having an exceptionally good day, so I think I was at about 40 yards. Next comment out of mouth was "why are you shooting that far away, you need to practice at 15 (or something)." My comment: "well, if I can hit 10 inch plates consistently at 40 yards, I should be good at any self-defense range." I mean, they'd rather play behind their nets and barrels whilst I'd rather practice my ability to hit something (even if not moving much...need to practice that more...admittedly).

Hence, I'm actually looking to offload some and use it toward domestic shit or reloading equipment. That's more valuable now than something I'll never carry again (ultra-light J-frame looking at you kid). Laugh if you all will. I'll carry a small/micro 380 that I can hit with consistently than 38/357 that my range is limited to < 10 yards (yes, I should practice more with 38...but I have better options than 12-15 years ago).

 

[TurboTrout]

There are already 2 that were originally specifically designed to do that and are available mass market
(of course the true AP versions of the ammo are LE/MIL only).

However they fell out of favour because everybody found if they really needed penetration, just go to a SBR shooting 5.56 and call it good.

Seems backwards, shouldn’t AP be marketed towards to the people vs stateside gov?

 

[TurboTrout]

One of the big wigs of my range came down one day whilst I was practicing. I was having an exceptionally good day, so I think I was at about 40 yards. Next comment out of mouth was "why are you shooting that far away, you need to practice at 15 (or something)." My comment: "well, if I can hit 10 inch plates consistently at 40 yards, I should be good at any self-defense range." I mean, they'd rather play behind their nets and barrels whilst I'd rather practice my ability to hit something (even if not moving much...need to practice that more...admittedly).

Hence, I'm actually looking to offload some and use it toward domestic shit or reloading equipment. That's more valuable now than something I'll never carry again (ultra-light J-frame looking at you kid). Laugh if you all will. I'll carry a small/micro 380 that I can hit with consistently than 38/357 that my range is limited to < 10 yards (yes, I should practice more with 38...but I have better options than 12-15 years ago).

You try any of the new micro 9s?

Sigs got some good offerings in both SAO and striker fire for the kids

 

[W54/XM-388]

Seems backwards, shouldn’t AP be marketed towards to the people vs stateside gov?

That ship sailed 30+ years ago...
You might remember how hollywood got in on the propaganda B.S. in a big way, including such movies as Lethal Weapon where "cop killer" bullets were shooting through bulldozer blades (Physics is never a problem for Democrats, liberals or politicians).

 

[Bigfatcock]

One of the big wigs of my range came down one day whilst I was practicing. I was having an exceptionally good day, so I think I was at about 40 yards. Next comment out of mouth was "why are you shooting that far away, you need to practice at 15 (or something)." My comment: "well, if I can hit 10 inch plates consistently at 40 yards, I should be good at any self-defense range." I mean, they'd rather play behind their nets and barrels whilst I'd rather practice my ability to hit something (even if not moving much...need to practice that more...admittedly).

Hence, I'm actually looking to offload some and use it toward domestic shit or reloading equipment. That's more valuable now than something I'll never carry again (ultra-light J-frame looking at you kid). Laugh if you all will. I'll carry a small/micro 380 that I can hit with consistently than 38/357 that my range is limited to < 10 yards (yes, I should practice more with 38...but I have better options than 12-15 years ago).

I agree 100% on why it’s important to shoot at farther distances.

The j-frames really benefit from a crimson trace, but with practice are pretty solid out to 25 yards.

My always on me gun is my seecamp.

 

[W54/XM-388]

You try any of the new micro 9s?

Sigs got some good offerings in both SAO and striker fire for the kids

The Sig P365 and P365XL are excellent carry pistols for many people.
Match it with the ammo I posted above and most reasonable adults can handle it, even the weak handed ones.

 

[TurboTrout]

That ship sailed 30+ years ago...
You might remember how hollywood got in on the propaganda B.S. in a big way, including such movies as Lethal Weapon where "cop killer" bullets were shooting through bulldozer blades (Physics is never a problem for Democrats, liberals or politicians).

Or maybe just outlaw armor for police, just seems when one tilts the scales on force, bad things historically happen.

 

[TurboTrout]

The Sig P365 and P365XL are excellent carry pistols for many people.
Match it with the ammo I posted above and most reasonable adults can handle it, even the weak handed ones.

So how’s that compared to HSTs?

 

[W54/XM-388]

Do they also make sandwiches?

I wouldn't know.
I'm a better sandwich maker than most so I don't have to worry about who can make sandwiches.
And I cut them corner to corner to show I care...

 

[W54/XM-388]

Or maybe just outlaw armor for police, just seems when one tilts the scales on force, bad things historically happen.

I'm good with both the police and the citizens having armour.
There are a LOT of actual bad people in the world who mean others harm for no valid reason and it's nice for everyone to have at least some protection.

Now in places where citizens can't have armour for protection...

 

[TurboTrout]

I'm good with both the police and the citizens having armour.
There are a LOT of actual bad people in the world who mean others harm for no valid reason and it's nice for everyone to have at least some protection.

Now in places where citizens can't have armour for protection...

Agreed