ive been shopping around and thinking of converting my remington 700 SA .308 to .243 i was wondering if the bolt or bolt face is any different. i recently looked at my friends 22-250 remington 700 SA and the bolt face is different. so do i need a new bolt?
..308 - .243 bolt
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Re: ..308 - .243 bolt
nope you are good. .473 bolt face on each
the 22-250 is the same bolt face as well.
nope you are good. .473 bolt face on each
the 22-250 is the same bolt face as well.
Re: ..308 - .243 bolt
nope.
308 bolt face will allow, 243, 260, 6.5CM, 7mm-08, and 6.5x47 L, 6x47 Lapua, and the Ackley improved versions of those respective cartridges.
nope.
308 bolt face will allow, 243, 260, 6.5CM, 7mm-08, and 6.5x47 L, 6x47 Lapua, and the Ackley improved versions of those respective cartridges.
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wow thank you so much ive been researching like crazy and cant find a real answer i know the .243 is essentially a necked down .308 so i immagined it would of the above listed which one is best for 600 yard shooting and also has a decent amount of available factory ammo?
wow thank you so much ive been researching like crazy and cant find a real answer i know the .243 is essentially a necked down .308 so i immagined it would of the above listed which one is best for 600 yard shooting and also has a decent amount of available factory ammo?
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6.5 Creedmoor or the 308 in all honesty will have the most "factory" match offerings
6.5 Creedmoor or the 308 in all honesty will have the most "factory" match offerings
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: balls2elwall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wow thank you so much ive been researching like crazy </div></div>
Just search for cartridge dimensions and keep in mind your bolt face fits .473" caseheads.
As HDC-deadly pointed out, 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor have the best match factory loads. If you go 243 be sure you get a fast enough twist to run good high BC bullets.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: balls2elwall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wow thank you so much ive been researching like crazy </div></div>
Just search for cartridge dimensions and keep in mind your bolt face fits .473" caseheads.
As HDC-deadly pointed out, 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor have the best match factory loads. If you go 243 be sure you get a fast enough twist to run good high BC bullets.
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i looked briefly at the 6.5 creedmoor i was under the impession it was more for ar platform rifles
i looked briefly at the 6.5 creedmoor i was under the impession it was more for ar platform rifles
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Just for your knowledge, the bolt face diameter is also the same for non-magnum long actions like 30-06.
Just for your knowledge, the bolt face diameter is also the same for non-magnum long actions like 30-06.
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well ive done more research on the 6.5 creedmoor and discovered its lack of barrel life so im back to switching to the .243
well ive done more research on the 6.5 creedmoor and discovered its lack of barrel life so im back to switching to the .243
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: balls2elwall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well ive done more research on the 6.5 creedmoor and discovered its lack of barrel life so im back to switching to the .243
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THe 6.5 CM will outlast the 243 by a bit....where did you see otherwise?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: balls2elwall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well ive done more research on the 6.5 creedmoor and discovered its lack of barrel life so im back to switching to the .243
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THe 6.5 CM will outlast the 243 by a bit....where did you see otherwise?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: balls2elwall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well ive done more research on the 6.5 creedmoor and discovered its lack of barrel life so im back to switching to the .243
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other way around. The 6.5 will last longer.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: balls2elwall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well ive done more research on the 6.5 creedmoor and discovered its lack of barrel life so im back to switching to the .243
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other way around. The 6.5 will last longer.
Re: ..308 - .243 bolt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: balls2elwall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well ive done <span style="color: #3333FF">more research on the 6.5 creedmoor and discovered its lack of barrel life </span>so im back to switching to the .243
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WTF?, standing by to copy......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: balls2elwall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well ive done <span style="color: #3333FF">more research on the 6.5 creedmoor and discovered its lack of barrel life </span>so im back to switching to the .243
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WTF?, standing by to copy......
Re: ..308 - .243 bolt
I don't know why you wouldn't just stick with 308 for 600 yards?? It has by far the most available components, including dies, factory loads, and even data.....if your looking for less recoil, I guess I get it, but it's hard to beat a 308 for 600 yards or less...and others would argue for further than that
I don't know why you wouldn't just stick with 308 for 600 yards?? It has by far the most available components, including dies, factory loads, and even data.....if your looking for less recoil, I guess I get it, but it's hard to beat a 308 for 600 yards or less...and others would argue for further than that
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fish301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know why you wouldn't just stick with 308 for 600 yards?? It has by far the most available components, including dies, factory loads, and even data.....if your looking for less recoil, I guess I get it, but it's hard to beat a 308 for 600 yards or less...and others would argue for further than that
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Because it just doesn't have the flat, wind beating ballistics of either the 6mm (.243) or the 6.5 (Creedmoor, .260 etc.) when pushed from a near equal volume case.
That said though, as a tried and true standby you won't go far wrong if you do go to the .308.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fish301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know why you wouldn't just stick with 308 for 600 yards?? It has by far the most available components, including dies, factory loads, and even data.....if your looking for less recoil, I guess I get it, but it's hard to beat a 308 for 600 yards or less...and others would argue for further than that
Because it just doesn't have the flat, wind beating ballistics of either the 6mm (.243) or the 6.5 (Creedmoor, .260 etc.) when pushed from a near equal volume case.
That said though, as a tried and true standby you won't go far wrong if you do go to the .308.
Re: ..308 - .243 bolt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fish301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know why you wouldn't just stick with 308 for 600 yards?? It has by far the most available components, including dies, factory loads, and even data.....if your looking for less recoil, I guess I get it, but it's hard to beat a 308 for 600 yards or less...and others would argue for further than that
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Because it just doesn't have the flat, wind beating ballistics of either the 6mm (.243) or the 6.5 (Creedmoor, .260 etc.) when pushed from a near equal volume case.
That said though, as a tried and true standby you won't go far wrong if you do go to the .308. </div></div>
Sandwarrior, first I will say that I DON'T know, but I doubt it's much at 600 or less, I think that a lot of folks shoot the heavier weights in 308 specifically because of their wind performance, perhaps a 6 or 6.5 has better indeed, so that's a good reason. I know that readily available stuff is sure easy for a 308!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fish301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know why you wouldn't just stick with 308 for 600 yards?? It has by far the most available components, including dies, factory loads, and even data.....if your looking for less recoil, I guess I get it, but it's hard to beat a 308 for 600 yards or less...and others would argue for further than that
Because it just doesn't have the flat, wind beating ballistics of either the 6mm (.243) or the 6.5 (Creedmoor, .260 etc.) when pushed from a near equal volume case.
That said though, as a tried and true standby you won't go far wrong if you do go to the .308. </div></div>
Sandwarrior, first I will say that I DON'T know, but I doubt it's much at 600 or less, I think that a lot of folks shoot the heavier weights in 308 specifically because of their wind performance, perhaps a 6 or 6.5 has better indeed, so that's a good reason. I know that readily available stuff is sure easy for a 308!
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i cant agree more but i have the .308 ive been there done that i cant argue with its reliability but lets face it i have an itch for a new project so for windy florida coast shooting something a little flatter sounds better. i need a new barrel anyways.....
i cant agree more but i have the .308 ive been there done that i cant argue with its reliability but lets face it i have an itch for a new project so for windy florida coast shooting something a little flatter sounds better. i need a new barrel anyways.....
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My 140gr 6.5 only beats a 175SMK out of my 308 by .2 mil (about 4") at 600 yards in a 10mph FV wind, so I'm not sure what great perceived benefit you are expecting....
There's a definite wind advantage with my 6.5 with 140 Amax's and my 7-08 with 162 Amax's over my 308 running 175's, but inside 600 isn't where it counts. If a practical match I'm going to is 600 and in, I'll use my 308 (or maybe even my SPR with 77gr 223's).
My 140gr 6.5 only beats a 175SMK out of my 308 by .2 mil (about 4") at 600 yards in a 10mph FV wind, so I'm not sure what great perceived benefit you are expecting....
There's a definite wind advantage with my 6.5 with 140 Amax's and my 7-08 with 162 Amax's over my 308 running 175's, but inside 600 isn't where it counts. If a practical match I'm going to is 600 and in, I'll use my 308 (or maybe even my SPR with 77gr 223's).
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sobrbiker thank you so much for your experience im actually looking at getting into tactical matches, i already shoot uspsa so if a .308 is best ill just stick with that and swap out my stock and barrel
sobrbiker thank you so much for your experience im actually looking at getting into tactical matches, i already shoot uspsa so if a .308 is best ill just stick with that and swap out my stock and barrel
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fish301</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fish301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know why you wouldn't just stick with 308 for 600 yards?? It has by far the most available components, including dies, factory loads, and even data.....if your looking for less recoil, I guess I get it, but it's hard to beat a 308 for 600 yards or less...and others would argue for further than that
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Because it just doesn't have the flat, wind beating ballistics of either the 6mm (.243) or the 6.5 (Creedmoor, .260 etc.) when pushed from a near equal volume case.
That said though, as a tried and true standby you won't go far wrong if you do go to the .308. </div></div>
Sandwarrior, first I will say that I DON'T know, but I doubt it's much at 600 or less, I think that a lot of folks shoot the heavier weights in 308 specifically because of their wind performance, perhaps a 6 or 6.5 has better indeed, so that's a good reason. I know that readily available stuff is sure easy for a 308! </div></div>
fish301,
Typically, I get about 8" less drift from a 6.5x55 shooting 140 Berger VLD's @2750 (24-26")than my .308 shooting 175 SMK's @ 2600 (31-33") And from .243's shooting either Sierra 107's or Berger 115's that difference is about 10-12". It's not a huge advantage. In fact this is one of those great times to use words to live by:
"Having a really high BC bullet can cut your mistakes by 1/3rd or 1/2. The problem is somebody to your left or right on that firing line, no matter what he's shooting, isn't making those mistakes."
That's why I said if you went with the .308 and didn't trust what you see you won't go far wrong. There are always great shooters out there, who've spent a lot of time behind a .308, who will help you when they can.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fish301</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fish301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know why you wouldn't just stick with 308 for 600 yards?? It has by far the most available components, including dies, factory loads, and even data.....if your looking for less recoil, I guess I get it, but it's hard to beat a 308 for 600 yards or less...and others would argue for further than that
Because it just doesn't have the flat, wind beating ballistics of either the 6mm (.243) or the 6.5 (Creedmoor, .260 etc.) when pushed from a near equal volume case.
That said though, as a tried and true standby you won't go far wrong if you do go to the .308. </div></div>
Sandwarrior, first I will say that I DON'T know, but I doubt it's much at 600 or less, I think that a lot of folks shoot the heavier weights in 308 specifically because of their wind performance, perhaps a 6 or 6.5 has better indeed, so that's a good reason. I know that readily available stuff is sure easy for a 308! </div></div>
fish301,
Typically, I get about 8" less drift from a 6.5x55 shooting 140 Berger VLD's @2750 (24-26")than my .308 shooting 175 SMK's @ 2600 (31-33") And from .243's shooting either Sierra 107's or Berger 115's that difference is about 10-12". It's not a huge advantage. In fact this is one of those great times to use words to live by:
"Having a really high BC bullet can cut your mistakes by 1/3rd or 1/2. The problem is somebody to your left or right on that firing line, no matter what he's shooting, isn't making those mistakes."
That's why I said if you went with the .308 and didn't trust what you see you won't go far wrong. There are always great shooters out there, who've spent a lot of time behind a .308, who will help you when they can.
Re: ..308 - .243 bolt
if you don't handload don't bother with any cartridge other than 308 6.5cm, or 260 they are the only ones that have a reasonable selection of factory match ammo. if you reload the 243 is awesome it is really easy to shoot well. it shoots flat, bucks the wind and isn't very hold sensitive with virtually no recoil in a heavy rifle.
if you don't handload don't bother with any cartridge other than 308 6.5cm, or 260 they are the only ones that have a reasonable selection of factory match ammo. if you reload the 243 is awesome it is really easy to shoot well. it shoots flat, bucks the wind and isn't very hold sensitive with virtually no recoil in a heavy rifle.
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Not saying don't get a 6.5 or 6, but you are talking about barrel life so cost sounds like a factor.
6.5's with conservative loads have better life than 6mms with the same pressures, 7mm-08 wil have a little better than 6.5. But it takes a LONG time to burn up a decent 308 tube (this in itself may be a reason to get a different caliber if you think you may want one later-a good 308 won't give you reason to replace it anytime soon).
Plus if there's F-Class around you, F-TR is limited to 308 and 223.
sandwarrior-are the wind drifts you quoted above for 600 or 1K?
Not saying don't get a 6.5 or 6, but you are talking about barrel life so cost sounds like a factor.
6.5's with conservative loads have better life than 6mms with the same pressures, 7mm-08 wil have a little better than 6.5. But it takes a LONG time to burn up a decent 308 tube (this in itself may be a reason to get a different caliber if you think you may want one later-a good 308 won't give you reason to replace it anytime soon).
Plus if there's F-Class around you, F-TR is limited to 308 and 223.
sandwarrior-are the wind drifts you quoted above for 600 or 1K?
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ok onto the next question have any of you ever used or know anyone who has used an E.R Shaw barrel im looking at a #3 standard varmint 1 in 10 .308
ok onto the next question have any of you ever used or know anyone who has used an E.R Shaw barrel im looking at a #3 standard varmint 1 in 10 .308
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not saying don't get a 6.5 or 6, but you are talking about barrel life so cost sounds like a factor.
6.5's with conservative loads have better life than 6mms with the same pressures, 7mm-08 wil have a little better than 6.5. But it takes a LONG time to burn up a decent 308 tube (this in itself may be a reason to get a different caliber if you think you may want one later-a good 308 won't give you reason to replace it anytime soon).
Plus if there's F-Class around you, F-TR is limited to 308 and 223.
sandwarrior-are the wind drifts you quoted above for 600 or 1K?</div></div>
600 In this lower elevation, and typically cooler weather.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not saying don't get a 6.5 or 6, but you are talking about barrel life so cost sounds like a factor.
6.5's with conservative loads have better life than 6mms with the same pressures, 7mm-08 wil have a little better than 6.5. But it takes a LONG time to burn up a decent 308 tube (this in itself may be a reason to get a different caliber if you think you may want one later-a good 308 won't give you reason to replace it anytime soon).
Plus if there's F-Class around you, F-TR is limited to 308 and 223.
sandwarrior-are the wind drifts you quoted above for 600 or 1K?</div></div>
600 In this lower elevation, and typically cooler weather.
