.308 or 5.56 whats your go to rifle and why?

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I own and have owned many rifles. I am still trying to narrow down a rifle that will give me an advantage. I want to pound it at the range and master it. I want to learn how to detail strip and change parts. I want to know the rifle as well as myself.

I must run a suppressor on it. It must have the ability to shoot long range.

I am looking for a rifle that
1. Shoots the first time every time RELIABILITY (ability to run dirty and dry). I agree the rifle needs to be cleaned but sometimes it cant. Droping your in whatever durring a fire fight is not a good time to find out you need to clean it.

Gives me an advantage over someone with equal training and a lesser rifle

The m4 is light and accuret but I feel that it is not the design for a SHTF situation that I want. I might be out in the field for a long time with limited supplies.

I dont like the FAL b.c IMHO its not as accuret as an M1A and the reliability differences are minor. If im going to hump a .308 it better be a full sized accuret version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4weIh3Mc6kU

Would the results have been the same with a semi auto test of rifles?

My area of operation is the woods and urban areas.


As I said before I think the M4 is a good weapon for a military unit that is well supplied. I am not a military unit and I wont be well supplied. For reasons listed in this article the m4 is out.
http://www.madogre.com/interviews/Hate_the_AR15.htm

I love the Ak47 and its reliability might cause me to pick it. My issue is that its really hard to put optics on it. The rainbow trajectory leaves something to be desired. Suppressing them is also kind of a joke. This is another rifle that seems good for a large unit. I am more so looking for a weapon with some range that can keep me and 2-3 other guys away from a threat.


Im down to thinking that the M14 will get suppressed and be my go to rifle. My only issue is that it is hard to do building entrys with durring the event of SHTF I might need to find supplies and food as well as assist in rescue efforts. I need something that can be used well in a dirty urban enviornment. Will a guy with an AK or AR have an advantage with sheer ammount of rounds or will I have an advantage with a more powerful and accuret rifle?

My other large weapons system is the Sig 556. It gives me the AK reliability with m4 optics/ suppression/ mid range ability and takes light weight ammo. I love ACOGs and these seem to take the m4 acog just fine. Will a sig 556 or m1a give me an advantage in a fire fight and why?

If it helps I carry a Glock 21 and 1911 in .45 acp. I cant carry as much ammo as a guy with a 9mm but who cares. Thats why I am thinking I should also carry a 308 with less rounds.
What do you use?
 
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Re: .308 or 5.56 whats your go to rifle and why?

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Better get it warmed up.......
 
#6
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As for 308 vs 5.56, you can estimate, weight wise, 50% more 5.56 ammo in your combat load. Roughly 20 rounds of 762 is a pound, 30 for 556.

However its not the number of rounds that gives you the advantage in close range, but your ability to put rounds on target. Having the lighter recoil of the 5.56 can help you with follow up shots in close range.

The 5.56 cartridge is often bad mouthed. This small calibre high velocity round is said to be meant to wound, not kill. Funny thing is that with the adoption of the .303, people said the same thing. The .30 cal was a high velocity, small calibre round meant to wound, not kill. Same bullshit lies, different centuries. As always, its shot placement not calibre that matters.

On the M14, if you can, try a suppressed one first. The open top can cause lots of debris to blow in your face due to the back-pressure caused by some suppressors.
 
#7
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No honestly to the OP, I'm sorry.

I like to use a
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1) Quiet enough so you don't need a supressor.
2) Carry enough ammo in a pint size milk carton.
3) Shoot to hurt with 3 pumps (for interrogation purposes) OR shoot to kill with a shot to the eye with 10 pumps.

4) Light weight/ compact
5) Reliable (I had mine for nearly 15 years with a million rounds thru it and NEVER cleaned it... EVER.

There you have it. Good luck.
 
#8
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Does your Red Ryder have a compass in the stock and a thing that tells time? I have a friend that was in SEAL MARSOC SF Black Ops and he said real snipers think those two mods are essential.
 
#9
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Still looking for an appropriate wheelbarrow and a pack of barkless chihuahuas ...
 
#11
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kick-Ass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I guess it all depends on METT-T. </div></div>

One of the Ts stands for Twinkies, right?
 
#12
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWRC556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I must run a suppressor on it. It must have the ability to shoot long range.




My area of operation is the woods and urban areas.


I am not a military unit and I wont be well supplied.

My other large weapons system is the Sig 556.

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Are you for Real? There are sites out there for Like Minded Kooks just like you

2012 and the proper Body Armor for the Season,Taking out Sentry Dogs.............LMFAO
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#13
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWRC556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I must run a suppressor on it. It must have the ability to shoot long range.




My area of operation is the woods and urban areas.


I am not a military unit and I wont be well supplied.

My other large weapons system is the Sig 556.

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Are you for Real? There are sites out there for Like Minded Kooks just like you

2012 and the proper Body Armor for the Season,Taking out Sentry Dogs.............LMFAO
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Sounds like this guy needs to head to Ar15.com.

They have all the answers. Every single one.
 
#14
Re: .308 or 5.56 whats your go to rifle and why?

I figured you guys have the info that I need. There are alot of misleading sources of information out there. I more or less want to have a rifle that will give me an advantage. I then want to impliment that rifle into regular training. But, I need to keep in mind that I am an individual or small unit at best. Therefore; what works for an infantry unit might not work for me...

I know the .308 in a match m1a with match ammo is a advantage but i was not sure if the extra weight will give me a disadvantage.

And no I never played online war games but would if I had a video game system (they look like fun ;-)) I dont want to come off as a "wanabe", but want info so I can pick between the Sig 556 and M1A. In my situation, what would give me an advantage?

Im not planning for zombieland 2013 but do want a go to rifle for whatever may or may not ever happen. And heck I just want to shoot something alot and have some fun.
 
#16
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Forwardeyes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This thread is for Tango Droppers only,i wish i could input my knowledge... </div></div>

I drop my Tangos in the Tango Oscar India Lima Echo Tango ...
 
#17
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Any info you guys have would help. This topic is insanely misleading since most people that have an opinion lack combat experiance. I have been training on an M4 and realized I could of possibly spent the time on a better system.


Suppose 100 or better yet 25 yards and under since most fire fights are at this distance. Will a 7.62 drop an attacker quicker than a 5.56 placed in the same spot? Would an equally skilled guy at any range with an M4, Sig 556, or M1A have an advantage and why?

I have spent the last 2-4 years of trial and error to narrow it down to the Sig 556 and M1A but now need to narrow it a step further.
 
#18
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWRC556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not a military unit and I wont be well supplied.</div></div>

You aren't an Army of One?

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The website you linked just goes to show how ridiculous this post is- at least link to someone that knows wtf he's talking about. Velocity does not universally = penetration. Just another uninformed idiot spouting off his unsupported ideas. Should think a bit more before posting links here.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The website you linked just goes to show how ridiculous this post is- at least link to someone that knows wtf he's talking about. Velocity does not universally = penetration. Just another uninformed idiot spouting off his unsupported ideas. Should think a bit more before posting links here. </div></div>

Thats why I wanted to ask you guys. Most info even the stuff in articles is very misleading. I figured I would ask the guys that have actually used them in the field and have much more experiance than I ever will.
 
#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pupdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No honestly to the OP, I'm sorry.

I like to use a
DA1938.jpg


1) Quiet enough so you don't need a supressor.
2) Carry enough ammo in a pint size milk carton.
3) Shoot to hurt with 3 pumps (for interrogation purposes) OR shoot to kill with a shot to the eye with 10 pumps.

4) Light weight/ compact
5) Reliable (I had mine for nearly 15 years with a million rounds thru it and NEVER cleaned it... EVER.

There you have it. Good luck.
</div></div>

pupdawg, you owe me a new keyboard! Spit my whiskey out all over it! That was effn great!!!
 
#22
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What you need to use is a phone. Call someone to tell them you've finally lost it and need help. Preferably your local law enforcement. Quit asking how to kill people.

Are you McVeigh's cousin looking for payback?
 
#23
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Time for an honest answer: the primary thing that will give you an advantage is a razor sharp mind and rock solid training. The minute differences between rifles are completely irrelevant at your current level of knowledge.
 
#24
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Gent</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Time for an honest answer: the primary thing that will give you an advantage is a razor sharp mind and rock solid training. </div></div>

TG

As you have figured out from your post in the other thread, this idiot has never had and will never have item #1 which ensures the impossibility of item #2.

Take care
 
#26
Re: .308 or 5.56 whats your go to rifle and why?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWRC556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not a military unit and I wont be well supplied.</div></div>

You aren't an Army of One?

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Isn't that a beasty boys video? Could definitely be gay enough to be.
 
#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Gent</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Time for an honest answer: the primary thing that will give you an advantage is a razor sharp mind and rock solid training. </div></div>

TG

As you have figured out from your post in the other thread, this idiot has never had and will never have item #1 which ensures the impossibility of item #2.

Take care

</div></div>

Isn't that the truth! Technically, one in two people you meet will be of below average intelligence. So, I'm not shocked that we've just found somebody well south of 100.
 
#28
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You want a defensive rifle to keep you and 2-3 people safe? Get a damn shotgun. Plain and simple. 8-10 shells of 12gauge. Pump action. Reliability at its finest. Remington or Mossberg. Engage targets to 100yrds with slugs. Well fire well over 10k rounds. Parts dont break, unless youre an idiot. Same goes for AK, M1A, AR10, FAL, SKS. Geez, dont get an AR15. You dont have to convince others to change. The military goes with whats cheap. Its too expensive to change their arsenal now. Thats why the SCAR has been canceled as a replacement for SOCOM. They said the SCAR offers nothing over the M16 besides running dirty. Modern Warfare 2 sucks by the way. None of the guns are accurately depicted in the game, performance wise that is.
 
#29
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Modern Warfare 2 sucks by the way. None of the guns are accurately depicted in the game, performance wise that is.</div></div>

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#31
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LWRC556, with what you have posted so far, I feel confident in saying that if a scenario such as you have insinuated actually occurs you won't have to worry about making it to the "next" round. Just grab all the RPG's you can fit in your BoB and start running. Thanks for wasting our time. P.S. thanks for posting a link to a Asian subtitled YouTube video, makes you appear all the more credible.
 
#33
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You know about 2012, maybe its why all the gold is being bought up. You know, that planet is supposed to come by and we need to give it our gold to replenish its atmosphere. We dont have enough gold so they are going to put zombies on earth, and then we needs these guns, right?
 
#34
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Zombieland clarification:

It occurs in 2013 after nearly all humans (minus 4 survivors) get eaten and zombified, just like the movie. That's who the 2-3 other people are. You got Kansas, Witchita, Tallahassee, and Columbus. He's probably gonna play as Tallahassee with the big guns.

Okay, serious question to the OP. Where exactly do you "train" to shoot people? I honestly would avoid that place like the plague.
 
#36
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWRC556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats why I wanted to ask you guys. Most info even the stuff in articles is very misleading. I figured I would ask the guys that have actually used them in the field and have much more experiance than I ever will. </div></div>

Seriously brother. The problem is you are so lost you can't see the forest for the trees.

Lets hypothetically say that someone offered me a job somewhere in the middle of nowhere that had the possibility of paying pretty decent. A job that required a combat rifle. Do you honestly think I would accept or deny the job solely on if they were going to hand me a M1A or a Sig 556? Uhh, NO. As long as you hand me a weapon that will support me accomplishing the mission at hand, I will be happy.

Lets say you agonize over this decision and you finally pick your "wonder weapon". You scrimp and save and spend hours at the range firing tens of rounds doing whatever you consider training. Then on the day whatever you are planning for happens you lock and load and press the trigger only to find out that one of the Uber Deadly Daisy Cutter rounds you cached blow the receiver of your wonder weapon to hell.

Guess it would have been a better plan to just pick a common weapon, train until your skill can overcome the few quirks of the system THEN move on to the next common system.

I love fancy optics. I still train with irons. There still may come a day when I need to pickup what's at hand and roll with it.
 
#37
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWRC556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dont want to come off as a "wanabe"</div></div>

Too late
 
#38
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...besides, this is a more important question


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWRC556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How do you keep sentry dogs away before and search dogs when your leaving an area? </div></div>
 
#40
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adician</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWRC556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I must run a suppressor on it. It must have the ability to shoot long range.




My area of operation is the woods and urban areas.


I am not a military unit and I wont be well supplied.

My other large weapons system is the Sig 556.

</div></div>


Are you for Real? There are sites out there for Like Minded Kooks just like you

2012 and the proper Body Armor for the Season,Taking out Sentry Dogs.............LMFAO
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Sounds like this guy needs to head to Ar15.com.

They have all the answers. Every single one. </div></div>

Trust me, he's been there. He would fit in perfect with the GD cesspool but instead of posting there he posts this stupid shit in the technical forums.... BTW this topic and even most of his responses ARE COPY AND PASTED FROM ANOTHER FORUM WHERE HE STARTED THE SAME TOPIC.....
 
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