have a savage 10 in 308 just ordered a 300 wm this morning hopefully be here Tuesday what can i expect in ballistics and range?? i know its a heaver bullet i know the mz vlos but real world not on paper, what can i expect???
308 vs 300 mag???
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Read this, it may help you figure out what your looking for:
http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1877441#Post1877441
If you do a little research you can find alot of this stuff on your own.
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good luck with your projects.
Read this, it may help you figure out what your looking for:
http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1877441#Post1877441
If you do a little research you can find alot of this stuff on your own.
P.S. A little spelling and punctuation wouldn't hurt either
Re: 308 vs 300 mag???
little noticeable performance difference until you get to 185 gr and up, recoil is in the range that makes a brake worth it if you do some volume shooting, factory ammo is about triple, reloading is close to double, fun to have something that can reach out to truly impressive distance
little noticeable performance difference until you get to 185 gr and up, recoil is in the range that makes a brake worth it if you do some volume shooting, factory ammo is about triple, reloading is close to double, fun to have something that can reach out to truly impressive distance
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i do intend to spot my own but i have not been given the 208 or 220 as a long range caliper, im new to the long range and getting deep in to it and loving it
im doing research every night but honestly my stack of papers and notes don't replace trigger time and word of mouth. im not a idiot but the pages run together i've got ballistics calculators, shot plotters, and all kinds of stuff lot to look at and impressive stack i guess i really need hands-on training but don't know any one in my area this is why i am here the home, of the best. asking the experts, i have no problem doing the research i just need a direction.
respectly
i do intend to spot my own but i have not been given the 208 or 220 as a long range caliper, im new to the long range and getting deep in to it and loving it
im doing research every night but honestly my stack of papers and notes don't replace trigger time and word of mouth. im not a idiot but the pages run together i've got ballistics calculators, shot plotters, and all kinds of stuff lot to look at and impressive stack i guess i really need hands-on training but don't know any one in my area this is why i am here the home, of the best. asking the experts, i have no problem doing the research i just need a direction.
respectly
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You can expect some pretty hardcore recoil and some substantial range gains. There is no comparison between the .308 and .300 win mag. With the 208 Amax, expect to be able to shoot a LONG way. I love that bullet. I can fully expect 2400 yards of supersonic flight where I shoot, whereas with the .308, around 2000 yards is the end of supersonic flight. Keep in mind that I shoot at high elevation though. The .300 generates 4166 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle, whereas the .308 has 3129 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle.
You can expect some pretty hardcore recoil and some substantial range gains. There is no comparison between the .308 and .300 win mag. With the 208 Amax, expect to be able to shoot a LONG way. I love that bullet. I can fully expect 2400 yards of supersonic flight where I shoot, whereas with the .308, around 2000 yards is the end of supersonic flight. Keep in mind that I shoot at high elevation though. The .300 generates 4166 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle, whereas the .308 has 3129 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle.
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As my buddy says, "The .300 with a 208gr AMAX doesn't buck the wind, it makes it." On a windy day, you'll see a great improvement with the .300 versus the .308 even inside of .500yds. I have shot my suppressed .308 rig (which was 1/3moa capable on a calm day) at a 500rd target on a gusty day and struggled to make solid hits whereas the .300wm connected easily.
As my buddy says, "The .300 with a 208gr AMAX doesn't buck the wind, it makes it." On a windy day, you'll see a great improvement with the .300 versus the .308 even inside of .500yds. I have shot my suppressed .308 rig (which was 1/3moa capable on a calm day) at a 500rd target on a gusty day and struggled to make solid hits whereas the .300wm connected easily.
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And if you don't like the recoil you can always add a muzzle break. I really like what the 300 offers for longer range shootin over the 308. I will say I was at an informal 1000 yd competition and the winner was shooting his trusty 308. I was very impressed.
And if you don't like the recoil you can always add a muzzle break. I really like what the 300 offers for longer range shootin over the 308. I will say I was at an informal 1000 yd competition and the winner was shooting his trusty 308. I was very impressed.
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Or you could go with a .260 Rem, and have the same ballistics as the .300 win mag shooting 190's...And less recoil than the .308.
Or you could go with a .260 Rem, and have the same ballistics as the .300 win mag shooting 190's...And less recoil than the .308.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cowboy1978</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i do intend to spot my own but i have not been given the 208 or 220 as a long range caliper, im new to the long range and getting deep in to it and loving it
im doing research every night but honestly my stack of papers and notes don't replace trigger time and word of mouth. im not a idiot but the pages run together i've got ballistics calculators, shot plotters, and all kinds of stuff lot to look at and impressive stack i guess i really need hands-on training but don't know any one in my area this is why i am here the home, of the best. asking the experts, i have no problem doing the research i just need a direction.
respectly </div></div>
208 and 220 are bullet weights, not calibers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cowboy1978</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i do intend to spot my own but i have not been given the 208 or 220 as a long range caliper, im new to the long range and getting deep in to it and loving it
im doing research every night but honestly my stack of papers and notes don't replace trigger time and word of mouth. im not a idiot but the pages run together i've got ballistics calculators, shot plotters, and all kinds of stuff lot to look at and impressive stack i guess i really need hands-on training but don't know any one in my area this is why i am here the home, of the best. asking the experts, i have no problem doing the research i just need a direction.
respectly </div></div>
208 and 220 are bullet weights, not calibers.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: billyburl2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or you could go with a .260 Rem, and have the same ballistics as the .300 win mag shooting 190's...And less recoil than the .308. </div></div>
Ya, but then you dont have the CDI factor of shooting a Mag calibre rifle!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: billyburl2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or you could go with a .260 Rem, and have the same ballistics as the .300 win mag shooting 190's...And less recoil than the .308. </div></div>
Ya, but then you dont have the CDI factor of shooting a Mag calibre rifle!
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More than 30 inches less winddrift and 80 inches less drop at 1000 yds depending on load.
More than 30 inches less winddrift and 80 inches less drop at 1000 yds depending on load.
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i ordered a 300 wm on Friday i hope it will be here on Tuesday thank you for the input
respectfully
i ordered a 300 wm on Friday i hope it will be here on Tuesday thank you for the input
respectfully
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If you have both a .308 and a .300 WM, you can expect little incentive to shoot it at less than 800 yards. You should expect to make hits at 1 mile.
Good luck
If you have both a .308 and a .300 WM, you can expect little incentive to shoot it at less than 800 yards. You should expect to make hits at 1 mile.
Good luck
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fernandez</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can fully expect 2400 yards of supersonic flight where I shoot, whereas with the .308, around 2000 yards is the end of supersonic flight.</div></div>
How are you getting a 308 winchester to 2K supersonic? I understand elevation but you have to be pushing the heavies pretty darn fast to get that cartridge to keep a bullet supersonic to a mile.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fernandez</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can fully expect 2400 yards of supersonic flight where I shoot, whereas with the .308, around 2000 yards is the end of supersonic flight.</div></div>
How are you getting a 308 winchester to 2K supersonic? I understand elevation but you have to be pushing the heavies pretty darn fast to get that cartridge to keep a bullet supersonic to a mile.
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If I could get my .308 to stay supersonic at 2000 yards, I wouldn't be looking at a different rifle. 1100-1200 seems more likely.
If I could get my .308 to stay supersonic at 2000 yards, I wouldn't be looking at a different rifle. 1100-1200 seems more likely.
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246' in altitude, 26% humidity, 90 degrees farenheight, 29.26 in/Hg, wind 3 mph
308 Win. using 175 gr. SMK @ 2600 fps mv. Dope @ 1000 yards
elevation: 37.75 moa / 11 mill
windage: 2.75 moa / 0.8 mill
300 Win. Mag. using 190 gr. SMK @ 3080 fps mv. Dope @ 1000 yards.
elevation: 24.75 moa / 6.8 mill
windage: 2.0 moa / 0.5 mill
These are the exact come ups off my corrected dope sheets which are in Mills. I figured the drop and windge for the moa numbers.
The 300 Win. Mag really shines in bucking wind over the .308 Win. and generally doesn't go trans sonic until give or take 1400 yards and the .308 isn't going transonic until about 1000 yards at the above stated weather conditions and altitude.
I'm having a new target rifle built in 260 Rem. mostly because the external ballistic characteristics are very similar to the 300 Win. Mag. I've given the .308 Win. to my younger brother. I'll get dope for the 260 when it is finished and I actually have corrected come up sheets from shooting it.
I feel that the .308 Win. is a better caliber to train and practice with as it's a tad more difficult to hit target at distance with it and it's less expensive to shoot.
246' in altitude, 26% humidity, 90 degrees farenheight, 29.26 in/Hg, wind 3 mph
308 Win. using 175 gr. SMK @ 2600 fps mv. Dope @ 1000 yards
elevation: 37.75 moa / 11 mill
windage: 2.75 moa / 0.8 mill
300 Win. Mag. using 190 gr. SMK @ 3080 fps mv. Dope @ 1000 yards.
elevation: 24.75 moa / 6.8 mill
windage: 2.0 moa / 0.5 mill
These are the exact come ups off my corrected dope sheets which are in Mills. I figured the drop and windge for the moa numbers.
The 300 Win. Mag really shines in bucking wind over the .308 Win. and generally doesn't go trans sonic until give or take 1400 yards and the .308 isn't going transonic until about 1000 yards at the above stated weather conditions and altitude.
I'm having a new target rifle built in 260 Rem. mostly because the external ballistic characteristics are very similar to the 300 Win. Mag. I've given the .308 Win. to my younger brother. I'll get dope for the 260 when it is finished and I actually have corrected come up sheets from shooting it.
I feel that the .308 Win. is a better caliber to train and practice with as it's a tad more difficult to hit target at distance with it and it's less expensive to shoot.
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The OP claims of 2000 yards with the 208 amax out of a 308 are not unbelievable. I ran my 208 load through jbm for a 11.6k da and I would be going subsonic around 1850 yards with a short barreled 308. If he is getting a hundred fps faster than me like my buddies 24" 308 does, then it would be around 1940 yards for the transition and 21.5 mils elevation.
When you load the 308 with the 208 and the right powder, the results can be pretty impressive.
The OP claims of 2000 yards with the 208 amax out of a 308 are not unbelievable. I ran my 208 load through jbm for a 11.6k da and I would be going subsonic around 1850 yards with a short barreled 308. If he is getting a hundred fps faster than me like my buddies 24" 308 does, then it would be around 1940 yards for the transition and 21.5 mils elevation.
When you load the 308 with the 208 and the right powder, the results can be pretty impressive.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blklabs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The OP claims of 2000 yards with the 208 amax out of a 308 are not unbelievable. I ran my 208 load through jbm for a 11.6k da and I would be going subsonic around 1850 yards with a short barreled 308. If he is getting a hundred fps faster than me like my buddies 24" 308 does, then it would be around 1940 yards for the transition and 21.5 mils elevation.
When you load the 308 with the 208 and the right powder, the results can be pretty impressive. </div></div>
No doubt that 308 can produce good numbers when loaded correctly but I still want to know what the details of the load this guy is shooting. Even at altitude pushing the heavies I'm not sure the 308 can push a bullet fast enough to stay supersonic at 2K. With the numbers I've crunched you would have to push the 208 AMAX well in excess of 2700 fps in order to get it stay supersonic to that distance. And even with Reloader 17 I'm not sure the 308 is capable of this feet.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blklabs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The OP claims of 2000 yards with the 208 amax out of a 308 are not unbelievable. I ran my 208 load through jbm for a 11.6k da and I would be going subsonic around 1850 yards with a short barreled 308. If he is getting a hundred fps faster than me like my buddies 24" 308 does, then it would be around 1940 yards for the transition and 21.5 mils elevation.
When you load the 308 with the 208 and the right powder, the results can be pretty impressive. </div></div>
No doubt that 308 can produce good numbers when loaded correctly but I still want to know what the details of the load this guy is shooting. Even at altitude pushing the heavies I'm not sure the 308 can push a bullet fast enough to stay supersonic at 2K. With the numbers I've crunched you would have to push the 208 AMAX well in excess of 2700 fps in order to get it stay supersonic to that distance. And even with Reloader 17 I'm not sure the 308 is capable of this feet.
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208gr AMAX loaded to 2500fps MV will stay supersonic across 2000m (not yards
) - if your altitude is higher than 4500m. I think I know just the place/country for that!
208gr AMAX loaded to 2500fps MV will stay supersonic across 2000m (not yards
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A lot more recoil...<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Knife</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More recoil.</div></div>
A lot more recoil...<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Knife</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More recoil.</div></div>
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First time I shot a .308 it felt like a .22lr in comparison, at the time the only centerfire I was experienced with was the .300wm. A muzzle brake might not be a bad idea if you find yourself spazzing out when you start to apply pressure to the trigger.
First time I shot a .308 it felt like a .22lr in comparison, at the time the only centerfire I was experienced with was the .300wm. A muzzle brake might not be a bad idea if you find yourself spazzing out when you start to apply pressure to the trigger.
Re: 308 vs 300 mag???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cowboy1978</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i know its a heaver bullet i know the mz vlos but real world not on paper, what can i expect??? </div></div>
In my experience (which is more limited than many here)
308 real world: Useful under most conditions to 500 meters. With modest environmental conditions half a mile (800 meters, 880 yards) is relatively easy (focus on the word "relatively").
300 Win mag real world: Most conditions can move out to 800 meters/half mile. Modest Environmental condition can to to 1,200 meters (3/4 mile).
If conditions truly suck, effective range can come WAY down.
If Conditions are perfect, effective range can get downright impressive.
Saw a 16" AR patrol rifle make a hit at 900 yards on a 6x6 inch plate with 77 grain BTHP. Optic was a 2.5-8 Leupold. Such feats do not occur often.
BMT
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cowboy1978</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i know its a heaver bullet i know the mz vlos but real world not on paper, what can i expect??? </div></div>
In my experience (which is more limited than many here)
308 real world: Useful under most conditions to 500 meters. With modest environmental conditions half a mile (800 meters, 880 yards) is relatively easy (focus on the word "relatively").
300 Win mag real world: Most conditions can move out to 800 meters/half mile. Modest Environmental condition can to to 1,200 meters (3/4 mile).
If conditions truly suck, effective range can come WAY down.
If Conditions are perfect, effective range can get downright impressive.
Saw a 16" AR patrol rifle make a hit at 900 yards on a 6x6 inch plate with 77 grain BTHP. Optic was a 2.5-8 Leupold. Such feats do not occur often.
BMT
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I see where the 208 A-max and 220 SMK's are the go-to projectiles for LR in the 300. Has anyone worked with the 210 VLD's or 230 OTM's?
I see where the 208 A-max and 220 SMK's are the go-to projectiles for LR in the 300. Has anyone worked with the 210 VLD's or 230 OTM's?
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All I shoot are 210 vld's. 72.9 r-22, wlrm primer. getting 2920 muzzle velocity and they are the best of both worlds, shooting and hunting
All I shoot are 210 vld's. 72.9 r-22, wlrm primer. getting 2920 muzzle velocity and they are the best of both worlds, shooting and hunting
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aimsmall55</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All I shoot are 210 vld's. 72.9 r-22, wlrm primer. getting 2920 muzzle velocity and they are the best of both worlds, shooting and hunting </div></div>
Good to know. Thank you for the tip.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aimsmall55</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All I shoot are 210 vld's. 72.9 r-22, wlrm primer. getting 2920 muzzle velocity and they are the best of both worlds, shooting and hunting </div></div>
Good to know. Thank you for the tip.
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I have a .300wm custom build.
My advice: put a badger FTE brake on it. It tames it down bigtime in the recoil. It will have the recoil of a .308 or less IMO.
It s more like a push than a sharp punch with the FTE on it. Its well worth it.
I have a .300wm custom build.
My advice: put a badger FTE brake on it. It tames it down bigtime in the recoil. It will have the recoil of a .308 or less IMO.
It s more like a push than a sharp punch with the FTE on it. Its well worth it.
