For anybody interested in a no BS comparison. Proof is in the pudding. Enjoy.
308 Win ELD X vs 6.5 CM ELD X - Gel Test
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For anybody interested in a no BS comparison. Proof is in the pudding. Enjoy.
30 more grains will
Make a bigger whole who woulda thunk that
Make a bigger whole who woulda thunk that
Not shocking, but I'm frequently laughing at the ridiculous projectile comparisons that are thrown around in here. Seems like a good video to point folks towards.
I'm still waiting for the proof. That shows nothing as far as comparison and the videographer admits it. Apples and oranges with a 35gr disparity between projectiles. By this reasoning, someone should test the 178gr .308 against a .300 WM with a 200gr. It would be a fairer test.
By the way, I am not a fanboy of either round.
By the way, I am not a fanboy of either round.
I thought it was known that the 308 has more energy within the 400 to 500 HD mark. But past is where the 6.5cm starts to beat it.
Keep in mind, this is just a hunting/damage test. I think the bullet comparison was fair. The guy picked the 2 best bullets per caliber for the cartridges. For years, all you heard was the "superior" penetration of the high SD .264 bullets. When shooters would say they liked a 308 more for making a bigger internal wound, many 6.5 smartass guys would say,..."yeah, 0.044" bigger to be exact." Now that the proof is much more than "0.044", they say, compare it to a 300WM!!! What, is your 6.5 CM not big enough or what? Wasnt the 6.5 CM built to put the 308 to sleep? When a test is conducted and the 308 wins, they always fall back on..."Well youre shooting a bullet that is 30 grains heavier!" While true, but isnt that superior BC/SD of the 6.5's, and also more velocity, supposed to negate that heavier, less BC/SD, and slower round? 308 bullets are evolving too. The first real test ive stumbled across of 308 vs 6.5 using the best bullet per cartridge/caliber available. Many tests use old, outdated 308 bullets against the best 6.5 bullet, and the 6.5's shiiinne. Who woulda thought..
What difference at 500 yards? Probably not much. A bigger bullet, is always going to cause more internal damage traveling at respectable velocities. At 500, the 6.5 might, might penetrate an inch more than the 308. Might. I wouldnt count on it though. Whats next? Test it at a mile? "Lets keep testing until we get a result we like." Lol ok Snipes (democrat).
Btw, I love my 6.5-284 Norma. But, you cant argue with gel tests. It puts the bullshit to rest.
What difference at 500 yards? Probably not much. A bigger bullet, is always going to cause more internal damage traveling at respectable velocities. At 500, the 6.5 might, might penetrate an inch more than the 308. Might. I wouldnt count on it though. Whats next? Test it at a mile? "Lets keep testing until we get a result we like." Lol ok Snipes (democrat).
Btw, I love my 6.5-284 Norma. But, you cant argue with gel tests. It puts the bullshit to rest.
How it that a fairer test? The 300 holds A LOT (double?) more powder and would also have a 22gr heavier bullet. Not even close. The CM/308 has basically the same powder capacity since it IS the same case.
The test was about penetration and damage. CM lost on both. Despite having the advantage in velocity/BC/SD.
308 has a SD of .268
CM has a SD of .293
Advantage of .025 SD. Quite a bit. And also traveling 200 fps faster than the 308. Id say the test was about as fair as it can get between these 2 cartridges.
I would expect the CM to lose badly to a 7mm-08 doing the same test. The 7mm-08. A sleeping giant. Oh, but it kicks too hard! Some shooters really need a BB gun.
Good video.
I'm not surprised at the larger wound cavity from the larger, heavier bullet that has more impact energy at 100yds...even if the 6.5 has a velocity advantage (I note it was a gas gun vs. the Tikka 308).
Both chamberings would easily provide clean, ethical kills at typical hunting ranges and short of dangerous game (which I'd prefer to use neither chambering for) I don't think any quarry would notice the difference.
I'm not surprised at the larger wound cavity from the larger, heavier bullet that has more impact energy at 100yds...even if the 6.5 has a velocity advantage (I note it was a gas gun vs. the Tikka 308).
Both chamberings would easily provide clean, ethical kills at typical hunting ranges and short of dangerous game (which I'd prefer to use neither chambering for) I don't think any quarry would notice the difference.
The .308 had a 35gr advantage and a .056 diameter advantage. There is no replacement for displacement. The .308 wins in every test because it displace more tissue, at close range, with all other areas being equal. .256 to .308 diameter and 143gr vs 178gr is not an equal test.
This is going to be the new 45acp vs 9mm arguement. Bigger is better, bigger is better as long as the scales are skewed.
Put a 150gr in the .308 and at least get that much as close as pissible. Then do the test at 800yards. Bet the tables turn big time. I guess as equal as possible isn't fair to those that want the venerable .308 to beat the relative new guy on the block. Enjoy your skewed test that is about the only way a .308 wins.
I would much prefer a 7mm-08. I love the .284s. They are much better at everything than they should be
I think the spirit of the test was to use a typical load for each cartridge of which 140 and 175 are pretty much standard. If someone was comparing 300wm I'd expect a 210-230gr bullet and 250-300gr for a 338.
Piss guys, they are both excellent chamberings.
Both will harvest any game in North America, both fly very well, both fit and run well in non modified mags, both are efficient in short or long barrel lengths, both are easy to load for, both are here to stay for a LONG time.
Seriously, pick which color you like best and go burn out a few barrels. I personally run a .308, why? Because I want to. I could be just as happy with a 6.5CM. Why? Because it too is an excellent cartridge.
Besides, who cares what the internet thinks, not everything is PRS. Crap I was close to building a (prehistoric!) 30-06 bolt rifle before settling on a .308.
I understand we as precision shooters strive for the best, but these two cartridges are so very close to each other.
I did enjoy the comparison, I think it showed that both Hornady bullets are efficient. I would like to see the same shots at 300, 600, 800, and 1,000 yards though, but thats all for giggles.
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Both will harvest any game in North America, both fly very well, both fit and run well in non modified mags, both are efficient in short or long barrel lengths, both are easy to load for, both are here to stay for a LONG time.
Seriously, pick which color you like best and go burn out a few barrels. I personally run a .308, why? Because I want to. I could be just as happy with a 6.5CM. Why? Because it too is an excellent cartridge.
Besides, who cares what the internet thinks, not everything is PRS. Crap I was close to building a (prehistoric!) 30-06 bolt rifle before settling on a .308.
I understand we as precision shooters strive for the best, but these two cartridges are so very close to each other.
I did enjoy the comparison, I think it showed that both Hornady bullets are efficient. I would like to see the same shots at 300, 600, 800, and 1,000 yards though, but thats all for giggles.
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Wait? Everything isn't PRS?
You win. I think that gets lost here often. Inside 300 yards I will tKe 308 all day for animals. For paper and steel the creed x47 /284 dominate.
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Nice little 875yd Elk kill with a 308
Nice little 875yd Elk kill with a 308
Interesting test that was fairly done. That being said, I have not seen good performance from the ELD-X when it actually hits tissue and bone. Pretty erratic performance IME (which is limited, but it is what my experience has been).
We all know he didnt do that with a .308 win. How the elk dropped screams to me “creedmoor”.
Im just kidding, but had he used a 6.5 creedmoor, the elk would be even more deader.
