500 Jeffery parent case with 338 Lapua rim diameter ?
Been there done that since 2011 .... in 30, 338 & 375 cal
Been there done that since 2011 .... in 30, 338 & 375 cal
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I'm finding nothing on either the PGM or VOERE (base or tactical) sites noting offering in .375 Swiss P. Where are you finding that info - and the side-by-side photo you posted? If that is your pic, please measure the diameter of the primer pocket. Given the increase case capacity, I'm guessing they will be using the RUAG/GECO 6.53mm primer. Thanks.Not really, but in this case was just a question of when not if.
*Add Voere to the list they offer the caliber in their X3, X4 and X5
Kinda surprised PGM/F.N. is ahead of its Swiss clone B&T aka Euro Chinaman on this one.
I sure magazine compatibility is certainly a factor and not having a cheytac boltface is a plus.I'm finding nothing on either the PGM or VOERE (base or tactical) sites noting offering in .375 Swiss P. Where are you finding that info - and the side-by-side photo you posted? If that is your pic, please measure the diameter of the primer pocket. Given the increase case capacity, I'm guessing they will be using the RUAG/GECO 6.53mm primer. Thanks.
Also, my take...given the .304" difference in case length and the .018" difference in base powder chamber diameter between the .375 CT and the .375 Swiss P, I can see only two reasons why RUAG has pursued this cartridge - (1) magazine fit (hugely reduced cost to deploy), and (2) CheyTac is not "public domain". Petersons's (rendering) of the now MIA .375 CT "CIP" - https://vertassets.blob.core.window...7c-4837-9f62-ce16bb6fc15d/_375__9_5_x_77_.pdf
PGM announced it on the FB page and Voere was touted as offering the chambering in the German article on .375SwissP.
My error, there are (as best I know) two suppliers of 6.53 primers, Murom - http://www.mpzflame.ru/production/primers/ and https://www.elr-resources.com/UNIS Ginex 338 LM oversize primers 6,53-0,70-1.pdfAlso, isn't it Ginex in Bosnia that has the 6.53mm primer and not GECO?
Sincerely,
Theis
My degenerate self was just thinking about a .338 Ruag...wonder what velocity you could get necking it down or would it be the same as a 338 lapua ackley improved?
Your not alone.My degenerate self was just thinking about a .338 Ruag...wonder what velocity you could get necking it down or would it be the same as a 338 lapua ackley improved?
This has me rethinking doing any of the XC cartridges. Especially if it can be mag fed.Hi,
Get in line at the degenerate checkout lane, lol...
Reamer already in the works, hahahaha
Sincerely,
Theis
This has me rethinking doing any of the XC cartridges. Especially if it can be mag fed.
Your not alone.
And possibly explore a 35 caliber version with solids?
350 track suit magnum?
With a nice positioning in the neck probably a 4.15 OAL with a 285 badlands.Hi,
With proper 338 monos it will more than likely be longer than mag length....but getting mono maker to design a specific mono for it
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Theis
Hi,
The "I-dadis" magnum, lolol
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Theis
Theis - to be clear, you have an agreement with RUAG to acquire 375 Swiss brass? For what purpose...for internal use to supply non-375 Swiss cartridge ammo to non-mil/LE customers? To resell that brass into the retail channel, direct or thru resellers? Please clarify for we mere mortals that acquire brass from folks like Grafs. Thanks.Hi,
Well I cannot speak for others but I know what my agreements are with RUAG.
I guess we are talking to different departments/divisions at RUAG....
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Theis
Basic Economics, demand drives supply. Elon has sold almost 1Million cyber trucks(pre-order) with little marketing and not even having a product out yet, and it wont cannibalize other sales. In this case I'd be ditching a heavy single shot .375 cheytac for something i can shoot out my mrad or other .338 caliber rifle. People are always looking for the new hotness. I was contemplating going with a 33xc and 37xc but I'd like to see how this turns out, or if brass is available.Ah...re the discussions about spin-off chamberings using the 375 Swiss case...since this is currently a mil-only product and there is, as best I know, zero commitment from RUAG to sell brass standalone, why the discussion? Pipe dreams?
Sooo much more than just "supply and demand"!Basic Economics, demand drives supply. Elon has sold almost 1Million cyber trucks(pre-order) with little marketing and not even having a product out yet, and it wont cannibalize other sales. In this case I'd be ditching a heavy single shot .375 cheytac for something i can shoot out my mrad or other .338 caliber rifle. People are always looking for the new hotness. I was contemplating going with a 33xc and 37xc but I'd like to see how this turns out, or if brass is available.
@Geno C. isnt that what the 338 Carnie is with a different shoulder?Sooo much more than just "supply and demand"!
In any case, a fairly simple solution is to rebate the rim of Peterson .375 CT brass. Can be done right now, no drama, minimal waiting.
Pretty much, yes. You ain’t mag feeding it out of a Lapua mag though.@Geno C. isnt that what the 338 Carnie is with a different shoulder?
Not with a 4.45+ oal.Pretty much, yes. You ain’t mag feeding it out of a Lapua mag though.
The case is too big as it is so .5 shorter would be a good thing. Now you’re in the 338 enabler area with a rebated rim. I think that size is about max for current powders and pressuresNot with a 4.45+ oal.
Carnie with a .5” or so shorter body would be interesting.
We need a 338 carnie midget magnum.The case is too big as it is so .5 shorter would be a good thing. Now you’re in the 338 enabler area with a rebated rim. I think that size is about max for current powders and pressures
I actually have. An idea for that alreadyWe need a 338 carnie midget magnum.
Look forward to seeing it!I actually have. An idea for that already
question...for most poeple not singling you outSign me up for a 375 SWISS AI. Any word on sourcing brass?
Judging from its performance and case size somewear between 375rum/375-338 lapua improved and 378 weatherby.This case looks very close to a 375-338 LMAI. Do we have the H2o capacity?
That’s just a guess from performance and looking at case specs.Steel head did I hear you say 338 and 110 grains..? I hope capacity is a bit more.View attachment 7605842
I’ve always wanted one of those actions.Text me if your serious. I think i need a 2nd Surgeon XL myself,,,Hahaha
I’m short bus ELR.Built like a tank. I will only build off Surgeon actions for LR tactical builds.
Getting more serious. Maybe we can talk about it at the range in the morning. Going to mess with the Grendel.Text me if your serious. I think i need a 2nd Surgeon XL myself,,,Hahaha
Built like a tank. I will only build off Surgeon actions for LR tactical builds.
You’ll have to sign a NDA with G&J ultra elite party time ELR enterprises first.Hook a brother up w a 338 Carnie case?
Hi,
I think some are missing the entire point of the 375 Swiss P....
It is not intended nor marketed as the first xyz.
It is not intended nor marketed as the "greatest" elr cartridge known to man.
What it IS intended and marketed for is increasing the already existing LM weapon systems usability with a FACTORY based ammunition for the mil/leo worlds.
They have never said it is better than the various ELR wildcat cartridges that NO mil/leo entities will ever use anyways.
What can be pretty much guaranteed is that they have more rounds through more barrels in the testing and designing of this cartridge than all the other elr wildcats combined....period. That matters in the real mil/leo world of insurance and liability issues.
Sincerely,
Theis
I agree buddy. the only real problem I have when you have an endless supply of Revenue and the equipment to build anything you want why the hell would you ever just basically duplicate what has already been done endless boundaries why not just make it from scratch like nothing elseHi,
I think some are missing the entire point of the 375 Swiss P....
It is not intended nor marketed as the first xyz.
It is not intended nor marketed as the "greatest" elr cartridge known to man.
What it IS intended and marketed for is increasing the already existing LM weapon systems usability with a FACTORY based ammunition for the mil/leo worlds.
They have never said it is better than the various ELR wildcat cartridges that NO mil/leo entities will ever use anyways.
What can be pretty much guaranteed is that they have more rounds through more barrels in the testing and designing of this cartridge than all the other elr wildcats combined....period. That matters in the real mil/leo world of insurance and liability issues.
Sincerely,
Theis
I agree buddy. the only real problem I have when you have an endless supply of Revenue and the equipment to build anything you want why the hell would you ever just basically duplicate what has already been done endless boundaries why not just make it from scratch like nothing else