45 vs 355 For Pit Bull Defense
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Something with capacity so you have leftovers for their owner when they Steven Segal out on you
"...The dog then attacked a nearby bystander who was walking his dog and was able to dispatch animal control."
Uh...whut?
Do you even, like, proof read bro'?
That was lack of proof reading on the news articles part. The dog is dead and he shot it. In NY they don't like to report legal firearm self defense stuff. Had to read facebook posts and stuff to get the details. Here's another news link.
https://www.wicz.com/story/52199124/women-killed-in-dog-attack-in-tioga-county
We still have the 22lr grandpa always used to kill the yearly cow. It's been about 30 years since it's killed one though.
Just over a year and a half. She is insane but a good dog. If I could bottle 1/3rd of her energy, I could solve the worlds energy crisis
By the way it was written, the dog walker dispatched Animal Control when they arrived.
I live in a tiny town of 500 people smack dab in the middle of Wyoming. Several years ago, someone dumped three dogs on their way through town, including pits. The dogs were running at large so the town cop went to do a dog round up. The dogs got snotty with him, so he did the right thing. He retrieved his AR 15 from his vehicle and gunned them all down in the middle of the street, insuring he had a safe background.
i carry a 357 for everything that might need shooting. stagger the cylinder hardcast/hollow point,hardcast/ hollow point.
the first shot up is a hardcast....i doubt there is a dog on the planet that won't pentrate all the way through, whatever angle. i frequently am in bear territory, and have stood my ground against nice sized bears with that in my hand, and have zero doubt on it doing what i ask.
i want to shoot a dog about as much as i want to shoot a person. but rest assured, i will if i have to. if people would be decent pet owners, they wouldnt put their pets or other people in this situation.
the first shot up is a hardcast....i doubt there is a dog on the planet that won't pentrate all the way through, whatever angle. i frequently am in bear territory, and have stood my ground against nice sized bears with that in my hand, and have zero doubt on it doing what i ask.
i want to shoot a dog about as much as i want to shoot a person. but rest assured, i will if i have to. if people would be decent pet owners, they wouldnt put their pets or other people in this situation.
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I'm with you man.
I think I'd actually rather shoot a person (legal issues and court fees aside). It really bothers me when we have an injured dog come in and we're working on it. I bothered me zero to deal with injured humans screaming. I can't hardly bear to hear a puppy whimper at a vaccination.
We treat gunshot wounds in dogs about monthly at my wife's clinic, and unfortunately that ALWAYS involves me. Sometimes you can tell whoever did it was just shooting the dog to be mean, and that irritates me to no end.
Aside of the time when I tried to run 4 dogs off and the pack leader bowed up on me and started growling...I get such a sour stomach from having to put them down. However, after having caught them on my cattle twice now and finding dead calves...I'll deal with that sour stomach. I constantly think that "what if" those 4 dogs had come up on my kids. Nope. We treated a dog three months ago that was ripped up good by a couple pits and the owner got her calf ripped up too trying to prevent it. Nope again.
Some people probably think me heartless. It couldn't be further from the truth.
On the lighter side, years ago our mailman had a beagle that would chase the three wheeled scooter ( mid 60s). He had the issued pepper spray ready and accidentally let off the accelerator and instead of a face full of pepper spray, the dog got an ass load. He said that dog’s butt dug a furrow for two blocks. Never got chased after that.
When I was about twelve, a large dog tried to grab my leg while bike riding. I went home and grabbed a bat and was about to get some retribution when my dad talked me out of it. He loaded a water pistol with ammonia, and said aim for the mouth. That dog never got within 100 feet of me after that.
When I was about twelve, a large dog tried to grab my leg while bike riding. I went home and grabbed a bat and was about to get some retribution when my dad talked me out of it. He loaded a water pistol with ammonia, and said aim for the mouth. That dog never got within 100 feet of me after that.
Fast movers + high stress = high capacity. Even if you're trained as a space shuttle ranger seal delta door gunner, he who hath higher holdings harvests the beasts heavily
Ahhhhhh, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express though...
I agree with you. Capacity is king during high stress. The only drawback being that you have liability tied to each round that goes downrange.
Very true. Most angles should be pretty downward. If you can guarantee that you're shooting into soft mud or sand, then this applies 100%.
Unfortunately, bullets have a really nasty tendency to ricochet off of concrete and asphalt, and even building walls (all of which depend on the angle). Having done the whole 'tracers in an urban environment' thing before many years ago, I will attest that it is like billiards
. Even plain old dirt will throw some fantastic deflections.
I've even got it on camera a few times where my thermal has picked up bullets that I've shot through hogs exiting at weird angles exceeding 15-20 degrees. It is why I might shoot through cattle, but never with cattle anywhere behind.
Unfortunately, bullets have a really nasty tendency to ricochet off of concrete and asphalt, and even building walls (all of which depend on the angle). Having done the whole 'tracers in an urban environment' thing before many years ago, I will attest that it is like billiards
. Even plain old dirt will throw some fantastic deflections.I've even got it on camera a few times where my thermal has picked up bullets that I've shot through hogs exiting at weird angles exceeding 15-20 degrees. It is why I might shoot through cattle, but never with cattle anywhere behind.
And where do these parts that break go? How small do they get upon impact, based upon what angle?
I get your point to an extent. Hollow points will definitely ricochet less and are actually safer in probably every aspect. But it is not like you are shooting AR500 at a perfectly perpendicular angle. Even 50% of that 124gr hollow point at an exit velocity of 500 FPS off of concrete is a nasty bitch for a decent distance.
I'm sidetracking. My apologies.
So you would not fire at a dog mauling your loved one if they were on concrete? You would consider the angles? What’s more important? A fragment striking a bystander or your loved one’s life?
There's always liability with each bullet fired whether it be 8 (muh 2 world wars 1911), or 18 (my glock 45 9mm)
Speaking of hollow points breaking up on impact with concrete..........Very true. Most angles should be pretty downward. If you can guarantee that you're shooting into soft mud or sand, then this applies 100%.
Unfortunately, bullets have a really nasty tendency to ricochet off of concrete and asphalt, and even building walls (all of which depend on the angle). Having done the whole 'tracers in an urban environment' thing before many years ago, I will attest that it is like billiards
I've even got it on camera a few times where my thermal has picked up bullets that I've shot through hogs exiting at weird angles exceeding 15-20 degrees. It is why I might shoot through cattle, but never with cattle anywhere behind.
So, fun story time:
Many moons ago, as a brand new officer doing rifle-to-pistol transitions on a shot timer agaimst a couple other shooters for added stress.... I had me an issued Colt Government 45acp (because my department believed Muh 2 World Wars).
On one transition from rifle to pistol, I drew from my holster and, as I was pulling my gun vertically from the holster ,simultaneously another shooters flying brass landed on the left side of my neck, caught betweenmy collar and skin. Obviously that fucking hurt and surprised me. Ouchie
Enter the "clench fist startle response". So, without meaning to , I clenched my pistol, causing my thumb to push down the thumb safety, grip the grip safety, and put my finger into the trigger guard and press the trigger.
The 230gr Federal HST bullet impacted the concrete floor of the shooting range about 2 inches away from my pinky toe side of my boot. Save for one 3-4mm piece of copper jacket sticking out of the rubber of my boot... the rest of the bullet basically vanished from existence
So, sports fans, only you can prevent forest fires
Oops
Great, I'm getting drawn into the shit throwing.
Dude... I simply said that "The only drawback being that you have liability tied to each round that goes downrange." ... in regards to extra capacity being beneficial during a high stress event, made by another member here.
That has nothing to do with my desire to keep my loved ones safe. If you read my post made on Saturday, I unfortunately put two more down that had not only come onto my property, but come to my yard while my six-year-old was outside at the time.
I understand your will to 'win' a debate and flex your Bear Pit muscle. But if you fabricate my position in order to establish dominance over a false narrative, the only thing you're going to win is a sign. I hope that you are able to move on from this now.
Speaking of hollow points breaking up on impact with concrete..........
So, fun story time:
Many moons ago, as a brand new officer doing rifle-to-pistol transitions on a shot timer agaimst a couple other shooters for added stress.... I had me an issued Colt Government 45acp (because my department believed Muh 2 World Wars).
On one transition from rifle to pistol, I drew from my holster and, as I was pulling my gun vertically from the holster ,simultaneously another shooters flying brass landed on the left side of my neck, caught betweenmy collar and skin. Obviously that fucking hurt and surprised me. Ouchie
Enter the "clench fist startle response". So, without meaning to , I clenched my pistol, causing my thumb to push down the thumb safety, grip the grip safety, and put my finger into the trigger guard and press the trigger.
The 230gr Federal HST bullet impacted the concrete floor of the shooting range about 2 inches away from my pinky toe side of my boot. Save for one 3-4mm piece of copper jacket sticking out of the rubber of my boot... the rest of the bullet basically vanished from existence
So, sports fans, only you can prevent forest fires
Oops
In a previous life, I somehow ended up as only one of three CMT's (Combat Marksmanship Trainer... it is what the PMI evolved into) in my Bn for about three or four years. So, I got to go out and run more than my fair share of the stupid "up/down" drills that the 'Corps calls CMP/EMP/Tables 3+ (I don't keep up with whatever iteration of MCO 3574 is out now) for all of the deploying units.
I can think of 3-4 occasions where kids stuck one in the dirt in between their feet. Usually however, it was some dumbass with a weapon on fire, and finger on the trigger when he was 'making ready'. Yours is slightly somewhat more forgivable...but I still enjoyed the colorful ways that the NCO's made the guilty parties sweat after an ND.
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I was 41 when I had my first (and hopefully last) uh-oh. I was function testing a large frame AR build I'd done and went to shoot a big-ass spider sitting on some leaves out in my yard at approximately 5-6 feet away. I was still shooting into the ground. Well, under that layer of leaves was a flat rock. Even though the rock was flat and I hit it at an angle, I literally fragged myself in the arm and face with rock pieces...and spent a couple minutes digging them out. I keep that rock there as a lesson reminder every time I mow the lawn.
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