Rifle Scopes 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

[logic factory]

caveat: if this topic has been covered and you have a link available to share i would be much obliged.

as the title suggests, i am searching for opinions on 4x or 6x fixed power scopes that have a tactical reticle and preferable illuminated. i would like to stay on the more conservative side with cost on this scope. i agree with the buy once cry once motto i hear echoed on almost a daily basis here but this is a small nitch type setup i find it difficult with my limited budget to justify something over say 400 dollars.

the intended purpose will only be subsonic .338 300 grain pills and will only shoot to maximum of about 150 yards.
ideally i would like to have a reticle as close to a vortex pst erb-1 mrad or nightforce np-r2 or sightron moa-2. i concede this is impossible with my other criteria i outlined but the more precious i can get from reticle the better.

i have a concern that may not be founded but i will ask anyway; most of these scopes appear to be shorter in length than what is traditionally used on bolt action rifle. should i be concerned about eye relief? the eye relief seems to be higher to possible offset my possible concern. any insight on this?

i have been searching midway and this has my eye right now; http://www.midwayusa.com/product/674361/...t-reticle-matte

 

[fockell]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

You might look at the ballistics of a .22 LR, chose a scope that is bdc like a rapid reticle, not illuminateed but less than $200.
Otherwise, a fixed 4 from ior with an mp8 reticle, they run around $400 on the used market.

 

[logic factory]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

well i have since i made this post got a little over zealous and bought a scope that i am now regretting. as i try to sell and make this lesson learned as small as possible i am asking for more advice on this topic.

i have abandoned much of my criteria i had originally posted and am now just looking for a more conservative scope; 450+ less than the current scope.
as of now the scope that has my attention is the leupold vx-ii 6x36 scope with long range retichle?

upon further thought i do not want to feel like i can shoot later into sunset and possible have some meat spoiled or worse never find the animal i shoot at. this is why the illuminated rehticle is no longer needed. i also do not need many bullet reference marks but a couple would be nice. this is why the scope i have listed above may be the one i go with. i just want to ask again and maybe get more feedback.

 

[slothlacrosse]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

why limit yourself to a fixed power scope? if your budget can accomodate, get a variable power.

illuminated reticles aren't only useful for shooting later in the day. depending on where you're shooting, you reticle can get lost in the foliage.

I also don't like ballistic/varmint/z-plex/whatever reticles that may or may not work with a specific cartridge.

What are you going to zero this gun for and what are your holdovers/unders going to be at the ranges you intend to use it?

If you're only talking about +/- a couple inches, couldn't you just aim a little higher/lower depending on how far away you are from your target?

 

[Advokaten]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

The proposed scope does not exist,

Swarovski did make 6x and 10x scopes almost like imagined, not ilum however,

but those are old and far between.

I might find one posted on egun.de to show you.

/Chris

 

[logic factory]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

slothlacrosse,
because of where i live and the particular round i will be going with i will be taking all shoots inside of 200 yards and majority of them will be inside of 100; 300 blackout mostly subsonic but reach out to 200ish supersonic.

as for fixed vs. variable; i think i can get a better optic for a particular price if i go with a fixed power. i currently have a 4-16x50 i am trying to change out as i feel much of the scope will be wasted in my area.

i agree with the bdc type reticles, i want to only have a couple of reference points for that bullet on its way out to 120ish yards subsonic. i like to be as precise as possible(within reason) this is why i am still seeking some extra marks on my reticle. i may abandon the search but i feel like at this time the vx-ii i mention with long rang reticle will work beautifully.

i have played around with zeroing the rifle on some ballistic programs and it looked like 60-70 yards was going to be zero and because of rapid bullet drop 120 yards was going to be about my max.

you are correct on just holding over under for the handful of inches i will need for my particular cartridge. i can estimate somewhat accurately what a couple of inches may look like on the target i am shooting at.

i will spend more time searching for my answer before i make another mistake on a scope. thank you for your feedback and if you have any additional advice based on what i have shared i would like to read it.

 

[logic factory]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Swedish guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.</div></div>
i agree the first post i had made several months back has come up dry for me as well.
i however feel like the vx-ii with the reticle i mention can satisfy my request for more precision.
please link the scope you mention if you see one turn up somewhere. thank you.

 

[Advokaten]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

Swarovski 6x42 ZFM

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2930771

Non ilum however I have seen modern ones having tritium powered ilum.

/Chris

 

[Powder_Burns]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

SWFA has a 6x42 for around $299.

link: SWFA SS 6x42 Tactical Riflescope

 

[logic factory]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Swedish guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.</div></div>
chris,
thank you for furnishing an image of the rehticle on that swarovski you previously mentioned. i am not sure if i am interpreting the rehticle correctly but are the lower marks a ballistic profile for a common round from 200m-1000m? i will not waste to much time as i will likely not be able to afford looking through one myself.
great looking scope. thank you for sharing.
- dave

 

[logic factory]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Powder Burns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.</div></div>
thank you for the post. i have looked into these scopes a couple times now. the only reason i have not capitalized on them is the weight and the mil circles rehticle they have. maybe i can get over this and the weight? i see them sell quickly in the classifieds so that is worth something to me though. i do like the idea of having more ranging and wind drift marks than what i would be getting with the leupold. i have also spent the last couple days looking at fixed 10x scopes. the bushnell 3200 mill/mill is also inexpensive and people claim it suits them fine.

the only things helping my decision right now is time. i will not buy another scope unless mine sells for a reasonable price otherwise i will keep it as eventually it will suit me much better.

 

[koshkin]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

In your price range, the SWFA SS 6x42 is your best bet. I would look at the version with the Mil-Quad reticle.

If you are willing to increase your price range a bit, there is the IOR Tactical 6x42.

ILya

 

[B3dlam]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

I was gonna suggest an SWFA as well As for the lines in the bottom of the reticle above I believe it is used for quick range estimaton and someone can correct me if I am wrong here but I beleive its something along the lines of if you put the bottom line at a mans feet the line his head is at is the range he is at they are in 200 yard increments (eg 200, 400, 600, 800, 1000).

 

[Advokaten]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

The Swaro has a BDC-turret for a 168 SMK/FGM or similar, very easily adapted to another cal by having a sticker made up to fit the turret.

The reticle as such is less relevant,

however today, I belive that Ilyas reccomenadation would be the one I buy.

/Chris

 

[logic factory]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ILya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.</div></div>
ilya
i have spent some time looking over those scopes and have also increased my horizon to the fixed 10x ss. for some reason i do not feel comfortable with the ior. this feeling is unfounded as i have spent no time reading any reviews on the ior's.
thank you for the advice.
- dave

 

[logic factory]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: B3dlam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.</div></div>
this makes sense to me. im going with it until a better idea is suggested.
thank you for you vote of confidence in the swfa product and helping to answer my reticle question.

 

[ddavis]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

I have a Burris TAC30 1-4x24 on my 300 BLK. It has a BDC reticle and bright illumination. With 208 Amaxs subsonic, the reticle got me out to 155 yards. Not good for dialing though.

 

[logic factory]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ddavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.</div></div>
that is about 30 yards further than i wont to lob mine right now. not a bad price on the scope either; about 300. i assume, 1/2moa would be part of the reason you docked it for dialing? did you think the 4x was a little lacking out there beyond 125+ yards?

 

[ddavis]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: logic factory</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ddavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.</div></div>
that is about 30 yards further than i wont to lob mine right now. not a bad price on the scope either; about 300. i assume, 1/2moa would be part of the reason you docked it for dialing? did you think the 4x was a little lacking out there beyond 125+ yards? </div></div>

The knobs are "hunting" type. Not resettable to zero, crude clicks. It is made to zero then forget about. It has always held zero and been accurate, however. I think 4x is perfect for anything less than 200 yards. It's one of the better budget scopes for semi-close range hunting.

I don't screw around with subsonics anymore, so I use it with supersonic 110 V-max's now. With the same BDC reticle, I'm able to get out to 350 yards.

When I was using the 208's, I made a diagram of the come-ups to tape to the inside of my scope cap. The custom diagram is below:

 

[logic factory]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ddavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.</div></div>
thank you for the clarification and sharing how you used the reticle. after playing with the jbm ballistic calculator it seemed like i wanted to zero for 60-70 yards using subsonic 220's and think about reaching as far as 125yards with that zero. i also am considering some supersonic rounds to reach out a little beyond 200 if i needed. will have to see how easy it is to manage the drop beyond that range.
thanks again for you perspective.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

The fixed SS's are good scopes. I probably wouldn't run the 10X on that setup though, 6X is about all I would want for short range shooting. They also have a ton of adjustment to compensate for the rainbow trajectory subs have.

I'd steer clear of that sightmark. JUNK.

 

[logic factory]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.</div></div>
thank you for the feedback. from what i have read it appears the 6x42 will allow our eyes to likely perceive more light than the 10x42; 7mm - 4.2mm exit pupil diameter?

i just wasted more time looking at the millet 10x50 trs-2. tough to make up my mind and i want to beware of as many options as possible. time is on my side until i sell my scope and forced to make a decision based on feedback and my own research.

 

[slothlacrosse]

Re: 4x or 6x fixed power tactile reticle options?

You used to be able to save a few bucks on a new car by getting one with a manual transmission. Now 99% of cars come with automatics and you'll probably pay a premium for a manual.

Your logic was accurate a few years ago, but fewer and fewer shooters are using fixed power scopes (me being one of them), and the prices of variable power scopes relative to fixed power scopes have gone down.

Is a Leupold Mark 4 16x40 worth the $2000 MSRP compared to the $1600 MSRP of a 6.5-20x50?

It sounds like you've made up your mind on having a fixed power scope and there's nothing wrong with that. But I want YOU to know why and not limit yourself or your choice of optics.

You stated wanting a precise reticle. For about $500, you can get a 2.5-8x or 3-9x scope from the Leupold custom shop with a Mil Dot or TMR reticle (doesn't get much more precise than that).