50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

[onemanmafia99]

So my friend and i were talking about different calibers the other day. We got into talking about 50bmg and it huge amount of power even at long ranges; it can even stop cars and maybe even a helicopter with a well placed shot. We got into 50 beowulf and we were wondering if it holds the same power as the bmg. I know it doesn't have even close to the same range as the bmg, but at 200 yards does it have the same stopping power?

I've heard some people say that a 12 gauge slug will have similar effects as the beowulf at 100 yards, so maybe the round doesn't deserve all the hype if that is true.

 

[Captain Moroni]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

No not even close

 

[fmsniper]

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50 BW compared to a 50 BMG is like comparing a 22LR to 3006, not even in the same zipcode

 

[adam1122]

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Not even close......690 grains of just a simple fmj from a 50bmg dwarfs even then Beowulf round at point blank ranges.

Both weapons have their places. A Beowulf does not weight 35lbs and can still stop a car at up to 200 yards. Pricey ammo too but a badass round. I've thought about adding a Beowulf upper to one of my ar's.

 

[excaliber]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

You might need to start fishing or something! How can you compare such two different cartridges?

 

[2ndamendfan]

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Agree with all the above posts. A little research would have shown you this fact. Owning both, the beowulf is just like a 12 gauge slug, only much more accurate. the Beowulf is all but the same as a 500 S&W from a shoulder fired weapon. Same bullets, load data damn close. Took a pig with the beowulf 4 months ago and it is amazing. But a 50bmg would have turned the pig to sausage in the field. 50bmg is around 17,000 ftlbs at the muzzle 50 beowulf is around 2800 ftlbs. Really shows your lack of gun knowledge if you ask me. For reference 308 is 2600 ftlbs, 30-06 is 2800 ftlbs.

 

[RuLins05]

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These two cartridges were never meant to be compared IMHO. The Beowulf was made to fit an AR-15 receiver in an effort to give the most punch in a small frame firearm while the 50BMG is an anti-light armor machine of death for anything visible in the scope! Both cartridges excel at their intended purpose but to compare the two, its simply not fair. Now if you compare the 5.56 (standard round for the AR-15) and the 50 Beowulf, it will be clear as to why the 50 Beowulf was created and has the following it does as with all the AR-15 Bigbore calibers (458 SOCOM and 450 Bushmaster included)

 

[EricCartmann]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: excaliber</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You might need to start fishing or something! How can you compare such two different cartridges? </div></div>

This!

 

[*greenhorn*]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

im holding, im holding, dam i lost it

wow, im sorry i thought i was special Edd here, i think i just got my seat on the big bus. yea me!!!!!!!!!!!!

hey VEER, their hope for me yet lol hahahaha, what you think coldbore WOW

 

[Silver_Bullet_00]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemanmafia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So my friend and i were talking about different calibers the other day. We got into talking about 50bmg and it huge amount of power even at long ranges; it can even stop cars and maybe even a helicopter with a well placed shot. We got into 50 beowulf and we were wondering if it holds the same power as the bmg. I know it doesn't have even close to the same range as the bmg, but at 200 yards does it have the same stopping power?

I've heard some people say that a 12 gauge slug will have similar effects as
the beowulf at 100 yards, so maybe the round doesn't deserve all the hype if that is true. </div></div>

No comparison. This is a pistol cartridge you are comparing to one of the most powerful rifle/machine gun cartridges.

50BMG
650 Grain @ 3155 FPS
750 Grain @ 2944 FPS
800 grain @ 2895 FPS

50 Beowulf
335 Grain @ 1400 FPS From a Pistol add 300 for a 16 inch rifle.

12 gauge slug
1 oz @ 1450 FPS

If your looking for the most power from the muzzle in a handgun, look at the 500 S&W. If your looking for the most power at long range in a handgun and (flat shooting out to 200 yards) look at the 460 S&W. 460 can be loaded to produce the muzzle velocity of the 500.

 

[adam1122]

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Just go take a look at miltary.com and pull up the shock and awe videos....you will get a great idea of what a 50cal will do. At 1700 yards it will cut a jihadist in half.

50 beowolf will stop a car at close range but is in just now way you can compare the two. It's like a 22LR vs. a 155mm howitzer.

Average citizens don't need a 50cal....

 

[Badshot308]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just go take a look at miltary.com and pull up the shock and awe videos....you will get a great idea of what a 50cal will do. At 1700 yards it will cut a jihadist in half.

50 beowolf will stop a car at close range but is in just now way you can compare the two. It's like a 22LR vs. a 155mm howitzer.

<span style="color: #CC0000">Average citizens don't need a 50cal</span>.... </div></div>

That type of comment plays right into the hands of the gun grabbers.

 

[KUSA]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Average citizens don't need a 50cal.... </div></div>
Who are you to make that judgement?

 

[Early Cuyler]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Average citizens don't need a 50cal.... </div></div>

Mama always did call me special.....

 

[Boomholzer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Average citizens don't need a 50cal.... </div></div>


To quote Ronnie Barrett;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Are you next going to tell me I don't NEED a V-8 engine ... don't NEED such a heavy, powerful motorcycle ... don't NEED a house with five bedrooms ... don't NEED a wife with such large breasts...don't NEED a dog with such sharp teeth and so on? </div></div>

 

[K_4c]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Average citizens don't need a 50cal....</div></div>

Right to bear arms.... Period

 

[adam1122]

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Ok, not to piss the board off.....should NOT have made that comment about average citizens owningm50 calls. I fully support the second amendment and that qualified people should be able own whatever the hell they want......even miniguns if you can pass the background check and get needed ppwk.

I think what I meant to say is that most non military folks do not need the power of 50cal.......not that they should be able to be prevented from buying one. If I had 10k lying around id get one.

Right now I am in discussions with the state reps of Texas to,legalize the use of suppresors for hunting game. The more guns the better and govt shouldn't be able to tell us law abiding folks what we can and cannot have.

Now, as LEO.....it scares the shit out of that a regular guy an go to a gun show and buy a 50cal.......go crazy doing on dope......and then we have to roll his ass up for something. Class 4 armor ain't gonna save your asss!

 

[The Mechanic]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, not to piss the board off.....should NOT have made that comment about average citizens owningm50 calls. I fully support the second amendment and that qualified people should be able own whatever the hell they want......even miniguns if you can pass the background check and get needed ppwk.

I think what I meant to say is that most non military folks do not need the power of 50cal.......not that they should be able to be prevented from buying one. If I had 10k lying around id get one.

Right now I am in discussions with the state reps of Texas to,legalize the use of suppresors for hunting game. The more guns the better and govt shouldn't be able to tell us law abiding folks what we can and cannot have.

Now, as LEO.....it scares the shit out of that a regular guy an go to a gun show and buy a 50cal.......go crazy doing on dope......and then we have to roll his ass up for something. Class 4 armor ain't gonna save your asss!</div></div>
That's not making your case any better.

 

[LWILLIAMS]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, not to piss the board off.....should NOT have made that comment about average citizens owningm50 calls. I fully support the second amendment and that qualified people should be able own whatever the hell they want......even miniguns if you can pass the background check and get needed ppwk.

I think what I meant to say is that most non military folks do not need the power of 50cal.......not that they should be able to be prevented from buying one. If I had 10k lying around id get one.

Right now I am in discussions with the state reps of Texas to,legalize the use of suppresors for hunting game. The more guns the better and govt shouldn't be able to tell us law abiding folks what we can and cannot have.

Now, as LEO.....it scares the shit out of that a regular guy an go to a gun show and buy a 50cal.......go crazy doing on dope......and then we have to roll his ass up for something. Class 4 armor ain't gonna save your asss! </div></div>

Seriously from one end of the spectrum to the other on that one. We have our rights no matter if you want to respect them or not. One more step for the gun grabbers when they have some LEO up there saying that an average citizen doesn't need such a powerful weapon. Say it loud enough and they will put you on a podium and make you famous

 

[K_4c]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

Military or not.... 2nd amendment applies to all. I'm not LEO but served in the military. I don't care what cal the projectile is... I don't wanna get hit by it. So where do you draw the line? Responsible citizens deserve to exercise all of their rights until forfeited due to inappropriate actions.

 

[adam1122]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

Well said K-4. You have the right to own whatever the hell you want in this country as protected by the 2nd Amendment as long as you follow the laws. Break the laws or you are a felon and no weaponry for you.

I support all gun rights. I just dont like jackasses who are buying them illegaly no matter what caliber to have them.

Face the facts - if you are not aware that their are loop holes that need to be closed up in order to prevent felons from obtaining guns then you need to do some research on how the laws work. For everybody else, arm yourselves to the teeth.

Sorry if I offended anyone but dont call me some anti-gun rights supporter.

 

[The Mechanic]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well said K-4. You have the right to own whatever the hell you want in this country as protected by the 2nd Amendment as long as you follow the laws. Break the laws or you are a felon and no weaponry for you.

I support all gun rights. I just dont like jackasses who are buying them illegaly no matter what caliber to have them.

Face the facts - if you are not aware that their are loop holes that need to be closed up in order to prevent felons from obtaining guns then you need to do some research on how the laws work. For everybody else, arm yourselves to the teeth.

Sorry if I offended anyone but dont call me some anti-gun rights supporter.</div></div>
Seriously, I would stop now. "Loopholes"?

 

[adam1122]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

http://www.harriscountygreenparty.org/resources/gunshowloop.htm

Thats what a loophole is.

Have a great evening.

 

[JMC]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.harriscountygreenparty.org/resources/gunshowloop.htm

Thats what a loophole is.

Have a great evening. </div></div>

First it's not a "loophole". Prior to 1994 the "checks" and "waiting periods" didn't exist. Prior to 1968 you could order a gun from Sears and have it shipped right to you.

It's already illegal to commit the crime/ crimes in the first place and that has not changed. What makes you think that adding more laws is going to fix what it broken in people. Enforce the laws on the books is more than enough.

Besides that look at "project Gun Runner" - how many laws were broke in that by the criminals and also by the Gov't?

The 50 BMG provides a power and payload at ELR that few rounds can match. Sure there are some 408's and 416's and maybe the 338's that can get out there. But who gets to decide that this is enough and that you don't need any more. By the way I love the Barrett quote!

 

[2ndamendfan]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.harriscountygreenparty.org/resources/gunshowloop.htm

Thats what a loophole is.

Have a great evening. </div></div>

Seriously WTF, I can sell my personal property to whom I want. IT IS MY PROPERTY.

You want facts I will give you facts. It is an absolute fact that more people are killed in and by automobiles than guns every year. Accident/murder/suicide all included and has been a fact for 50+ years.

Yet with that fact there is not one spot in america, dare I say the world that when selling YOUR car to ANOTHER person that you HAVE TO CHECK THEIR DRIVING RECORD. PERIOD END OF STORY.

People like you totally fail to understand what a "right" even is.

If Gun control was about "saving lives" then people would focus on bigger killers first. Gun control is about people that are to scared to stand up and take care of them self's that they think big brother will make them feel safer.

Why is is that the average american fears sharks more than cars, yet 80%+ will never ever see a shark. It is all mind games.

 

[Km22]

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It's OK, we can't legally purchase a .50 cal in California.

 

[Grimm]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Average citizens don't need a 50cal....</div></div>
Epic fail.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.</div></div>
It's funny it doesn't say "rifles smaller than half an inch" or "single shot smooth bore muskets" it says "arms."
There's a set of public regulations you may have heard of called "International Traffic in Arms Regulations" that gives a list of "Arms" let's pick a few:
    *(a) Nonautomatic, semi-automatic and fully automatic firearms to caliber .50 inclusive, and all components and parts for such firearms. (See § 121.9 and §§ 123.16-123.19 of this subchapter.)

    *(a) Warships, amphibious warfare vessels, landing craft, mine warfare vessels, patrol vessels, auxiliary vessels and service craft, experimental types of naval ships and any vessels specifically designed or modified for military purposes. (See § 121.15.)

    *(b) Military tanks, combat engineer vehicles, bridge launching vehicles, half-tracks and gun carriers.

    *(c) Self-propelled guns and howitzers.

It funny how in a set of regulations explicitly concerned with "arms" that most of them are prohibited from ownership by the same citizens who right to keep and bear "arms" shall not be infringed. You won't find a definition of "arms" in ITAR by the way nor in the Arms Export Control Act. Which of course implies everything within is an "arm" that little old me can keep and bear. Thanks for making a list guys.

People like you have been instrumental in the systematic infringement of our 2A rights. Because "average citizens" shouldn't have this or that has allowed us to arrive here.

It may not be particularly feasible for private citizens to own tanks and mortars, but that right was guaranteed unto them by the framers of our country and taken away by people like you. Because "reasonable" and "rights" seldom go hand in hand.

It might be time for you to consider that LEO's are "Average Citizens" and have no need to own anything that "average citizens" are prohibited from owning. Unless you'd like to make the case for LEOs utilizing "defense articles" against the "average citizen" that has no "need" for the same. A case I'd glady watch popcorn in hand.

 

[*greenhorn*]

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I do not intend for this to be a political reply, just a little information if this violates the forums rules please notify me <span style="color: #33CC00">Moderators</span> i will remove <span style="color: #FF0000">IMENDENTLY </span>upon request.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kusa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Average citizens don't need a 50cal.... </div></div>

i have to have the ability to stop a car, truck, tank at a mile, you may not think the average citizen doesn't need, but unless your in Cali??? its your right to own and operate that weapon.

the citizens should not be afraid of the government, the government should be afraid of its citizens, (electoral vote that is). that's the problem, our government can do anything it wants to us at any time and the Elected officials can do anything they want. research Roman society, they believed as ours does now.

they wont take our weapons, they'll make it impossible to buy, or afford the ammo. look in to the Freedom Group owened by Cerberus Capital Management CEO, Bob Nardelli, a long time anti-gun activist.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/03/BUJ91M4HL0.DTL&ao=all

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
   *(b) Military tanks, combat engineer vehicles, bridge launching vehicles, half-tracks and gun carriers.

People like you have been instrumental in the systematic infringement of our 2A rights. Because "average citizens" shouldn't have this or that has allowed us to arrive here.

It may not be particularly feasible for private citizens to own tanks and mortars, but that right was guaranteed unto them by the framers of our country and taken away by people like you. Because "reasonable" and "rights" seldom go hand in hand.
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I'll have to disagree with the thought of any jackwagon being able to own a tank because "It's my 2nd Amendment Right" argument...

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And you'll have to forgive us Nazi's if we don't want just anyone owning a Howitzer either that some drunken retard could hit someone on accident in the NEXT town. You're trying to take the term "arms" literally to include any weapon, but when the 2nd amendment was drafted they did not have Artillery with a range of 30+km, machine guns, tanks, shoulder fired missiles, or any of the other for mentioned weapons of the 20th & 21st century. By your logic then any citizen should be able to own a Nuclear weapon if they so choose because the 2nd amendment doesn't define a limit to the term "Arms"....

 

[Searcher]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think what I meant to say is that most non military folks do not need the power of 50cal</div></div>

Need's got nothing to do with it.

 

[*greenhorn*]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
   *(b) Military tanks, combat engineer vehicles, bridge launching vehicles, half-tracks and gun carriers.

People like you have been instrumental in the systematic infringement of our 2A rights. Because "average citizens" shouldn't have this or that has allowed us to arrive here.

It may not be particularly feasible for private citizens to own tanks and mortars, but that right was guaranteed unto them by the framers of our country and taken away by people like you. Because "reasonable" and "rights" seldom go hand in hand.
</div></div>

I'll have to disagree with the thought of any jackwagon being able to own a tank because "It's my 2nd Amendment Right" argument...

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And you'll have to forgive us Nazi's if we don't want just anyone owning a Howitzer either that some drunken retard could hit someone on accident in the NEXT town. You're trying to take the term "arms" literally to include any weapon, but when the 2nd amendment was drafted they did not have Artillery with a range of 30+km, machine guns, tanks, shoulder fired missiles, or any of the other for mentioned weapons of the 20th & 21st century. By your logic then any citizen should be able to own a Nuclear weapon if they so choose because the 2nd amendment doesn't define a limit to the term "Arms"....

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The guy stole a tank he didnt own it, now if it was TANK OWNER....." come on your reaching pretty far for that one.

 

[Conrad101st]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

I think Tom Clancy owns a few tanks and APC's.

And I'll bet you a case of beer it is legal to own a tank as long as you have the tax stamp for the main gun (assuming it's not been demilled to BATF regs)as its classified as a destructive device.

 

[*greenhorn*]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

I honestly think with in the next 12-14 years we wont beable to own a gun with out a tax stamp on each one

theirs people that say why do you need a gun that shoots so far and why do you need so many calibers, why do you need more than 1 round no one needs 30 rounds no one needs 100 round capacity, lol i hear that on this sight lol. guns are becoming like cigarets, ask Florida highway patrol

 

[Hunt4life]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

You are either for gun control or against it. There is no middle ground. We cannot give an inch to Marxist Left, if you do they move on to the next thing on their agenda of taking them all away.

I honestly think some of the bans were decided by people looking through a gun book and saying that looks like an assault weapon and that looks like a hunting weapon. Morons, they all do the same thing, no different than a Viper and a Corolla.

Again, crimes are rarely committed by responsible, legal, gun owners.

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cowboy1978</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
   *(b) Military tanks, combat engineer vehicles, bridge launching vehicles, half-tracks and gun carriers.

People like you have been instrumental in the systematic infringement of our 2A rights. Because "average citizens" shouldn't have this or that has allowed us to arrive here.

It may not be particularly feasible for private citizens to own tanks and mortars, but that right was guaranteed unto them by the framers of our country and taken away by people like you. Because "reasonable" and "rights" seldom go hand in hand.
</div></div>

I'll have to disagree with the thought of any jackwagon being able to own a tank because "It's my 2nd Amendment Right" argument...

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And you'll have to forgive us Nazi's if we don't want just anyone owning a Howitzer either that some drunken retard could hit someone on accident in the NEXT town. You're trying to take the term "arms" literally to include any weapon, but when the 2nd amendment was drafted they did not have Artillery with a range of 30+km, machine guns, tanks, shoulder fired missiles, or any of the other for mentioned weapons of the 20th & 21st century. By your logic then any citizen should be able to own a Nuclear weapon if they so choose because the 2nd amendment doesn't define a limit to the term "Arms"....

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The guy stole a tank he didnt own it, now if it was TANK OWNER....." come on your reaching pretty far for that one. </div></div>

No farther than saying the "Right to Bear Arms" should include anything and everything from a bb gun to a nuclear bomb. It still stands then when that document was written they had small arms in mind, not the modern weaponry of today.

As for there is not middle ground comment... That's a pile of bull shit. That's like saying there's no such thing as circumstance or exception and that everything is black & white.

 

[Erud]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well said K-4. You have the right to own whatever the hell you want in this country as protected by the 2nd Amendment as long as you follow the laws. Break the laws or you are a felon and no weaponry for you.

I support all gun rights. I just dont like jackasses who are buying them illegaly no matter what caliber to have them.

Face the facts - if you are not aware that their are loop holes that need to be closed up in order to prevent felons from obtaining guns then you need to do some research on how the laws work. For everybody else, arm yourselves to the teeth.
Sorry if I offended anyone but dont call me some anti-gun rights supporter. </div></div>

This might not be the right forum for you. Saying you support "all gun rights" and then pointing out the ones you don't support doesn't exactly go together. You are the perfect tool for anti-gun activists. Its sad how many LEO's that I've met that share your feelings. The 2nd Amendment was written to protect the citizenry from the government, we don't need special laws to protect LEO's from the citizenry.

 

[The Mechanic]

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The Malitia and the people.
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The Brown Bess. Made in circa 1722. Caliber? .75
.50 is kinda small now huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Bess

 

[W54/XM-388]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now, as LEO.....it scares the shit out of that a regular guy an go to a gun show and buy a 50cal.......go crazy doing on dope......and then we have to roll his ass up for something. Class 4 armor ain't gonna save your asss! </div></div>

While I could understand that maybe somebody has been putting out the hype about things, how many people in the USA in recent history have actually gotten killed by a criminal using a .50 BMG? I dare say you wouldn't even use up the fingers on 1 hand counting.

A .50 BMG is expensive, heavy and difficult to transport as compared to so many other weapons.
If someone is drunk or on drugs, a .50 is not going to be something they can easily put to use in a meaningful way.

What the evil people are afraid of is when they come to play storm troopers somebody might just decide to take a stand and take a few of them out. But even in that case, the engagement would be short lived as the .50 BMG will be like a boat anchor in trying to move or get away.

It's simply a matter of propaganda, stupid politicians made it so you could only have a .50 cal rifle, so some people would like to have the biggest one they can get, then the politicians go on about how it's too big and blah blah blah.

Class 4 armor won't save you from a well placed shot with a .223 or .308 rifle, it won't save you from a sledgehammer, it won't save you from a moving vehicle, it won't save you from getting your limbs torn off by a well made improvised explosive device, it won't save you from getting your face torn off by a pit bull, it won't save you from some drunk slamming his car into yours. All of which I would suggest you may encounter before you actually have to worry about getting killed by a .50 BMG round

 

[callen3615]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

Id like to see stats on how many crimes have been committed with a 50bmg.

 

[splean]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

Maybe comparing a 50 BMG and a 50 Beowolf is like comparing a .223 Remington with a 22LR. They share a common diameter and that's about it.

 

[Powder_Burns]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

Not even, you're looking at .510 vs .500...

 

[The Mechanic]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Km22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's OK, we can't legally purchase a .50 cal in California. </div></div>
Sure you can. .50DTC Actually has a larger case capacity than the BMG. Identical ballistics, same parts and pieces.

 

[Sulenski]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

Heres some good news for the other 49 states outside of CA. We can still own a .50BMG but have to go about it the right way or we get around it completely by going the .50DTC route.

I am a supporter of the 2nd Amendment and follow this reasoning. When seconds count a cop is only a couple of minutes away.

 

[*greenhorn*]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sulenski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I am a supporter of the 2nd Amendment and follow this reasoning. When seconds count a cop is only a couple of minutes away. </div></div>

F***ing words of wisdom right their

Sence 1843 their has been 1 crime committed with a legally owned machine / heavy gun. It was committed by a police officer.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it activist.

 

[rpk762]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: W54/XM-388</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now, as LEO.....it scares the shit out of that a regular guy an go to a gun show and buy a 50cal.......go crazy doing on dope......and then we have to roll his ass up for something. Class 4 armor ain't gonna save your asss! </div></div>

While I could understand that maybe somebody has been putting out the hype about things, how many people in the USA in recent history have actually gotten killed by a criminal using a .50 BMG? I dare say you wouldn't even use up the fingers on 1 hand counting.

A .50 BMG is expensive, heavy and difficult to transport as compared to so many other weapons.
If someone is drunk or on drugs, a .50 is not going to be something they can easily put to use in a meaningful way.

What the evil people are afraid of is when they come to play storm troopers somebody might just decide to take a stand and take a few of them out. But even in that case, the engagement would be short lived as the .50 BMG will be like a boat anchor in trying to move or get away.

It's simply a matter of propaganda, stupid politicians made it so you could only have a .50 cal rifle, so some people would like to have the biggest one they can get, then the politicians go on about how it's too big and blah blah blah.

Class 4 armor won't save you from a well placed shot with a .223 or .308 rifle, it won't save you from a sledgehammer, it won't save you from a moving vehicle, it won't save you from getting your limbs torn off by a well made improvised explosive device, it won't save you from getting your face torn off by a pit bull, it won't save you from some drunk slamming his car into yours. All of which I would suggest you may encounter before you actually have to worry about getting killed by a .50 BMG round</div></div>

Thank you. There are far more problems than firearms that need to be solved.

On a side note. If you are scared of getting shot on the job maybe you should not be in lawenforcement. Being aware of dangers is one thing but being scared is another.

 

[cobra93teal]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

I Love my BMGs....yes i said BMGs...i have 2. I dont need 2....i have no way to safely shoot 2 at a time...but i wanted them.

 

[biteemnbeatem]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

so lets get this strait, the seat on the short bus went from cowboy to onemanmafia. And then onemanmafia was at risk of being on this bus for a long ass time till steelshot's comment. Guess you were only on the bus for a short trip, school must me close to home...lol
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cowboy1978</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im holding, im holding, dam i lost it

wow, im sorry i thought i was special Edd here, i think i just got my seat on the big bus. yea me!!!!!!!!!!!!

hey VEER, their hope for me yet lol hahahaha, what you think coldbore WOW

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Just go take a look at miltary.com and pull up the shock and awe videos....you will get a great idea of what a 50cal will do. At 1700 yards it will cut a jihadist in half.

50 beowolf will stop a car at close range but is in just now way you can compare the two. It's like a 22LR vs. a 155mm howitzer.

Average citizens don't need a 50cal....

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[Bluegrass Tactical]

Re: 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

To origional poster; Google is your friend.

 

[OldRanger]

I've got a Beowulf the reason I got it was if I wanted to shoot a truck or a dinosaur I can.but mostly I bought is because I can