Range Report 6.5 creedmore Projectile

[Bmoore0062]

Rebarreling my RPR to 6.5 creedmore. Have not bought the barrel just yet. Going with a Kreiger 24” or 26” with a 1 in 8 twist New to the caliber. Going to be using the rifle primarily for target shooting maybe knocking a few whitetails down in November. Wanting to get into so local psr matches.

Just looking for some advice what projectile I should start with. Been looking at the Hornady ELD Match 140 and 147. Just looking for prior experience with the caliber or if I should be looking else where.

 

[Kraze]

140 ELD-M sounds about perfect for what you describe. Fairly inexpensive, widely available, great for shooting steel but will have no problem putting down a whitetail assuming you make a good shot.

 

[Bmoore0062]

140 ELD-M sounds about perfect for what you describe. Fairly inexpensive, widely available, great for shooting steel but will have no problem putting down a whitetail assuming you make a good shot.

Thanks for the advice. Just curious what would make the 140 better than the 147. Still new to precision shooting. Just wondering because I know the 147 has a higher BC.

 

[bfglowkey]

140s will get you to 1000 no problem. The 147s are nice if you want to push it further and experiment with some powders if handloading. The argument for using match target rounds to hunt with is a different debate so if you want to develop one load for a do it all type then perhaps look at the 143 ELD-X? The X designation for Hornady are suitable for hunting ( as in they are designed to expand properly and reliably vs a match target which may or may not expand properly for a humane kill.) Yes shot placement will definitely play a large role. If you do not plan on reloading you will be surprised at how good the plain ole American Gunner 140 BTHP shoot in most 6.5's ( to include the RPR) Try them all and see what to buy in bulk

 

[Kraze]

For my rifle, I wasn't able to get the 147s going fast enough to out perform the 140s. I see some guys getting crazy speeds out of the 147s, which would definitely out perform the 140s, but they all seem to be doing it with RL26 (incredibly hard to find) or long barrels (28"+). You could always buy a box of both to get an idea of what velocities you can expect in your barrel, then run the numbers in your ballistic calculator to see if the 147s will actually be better in your rifle.

 

[bfglowkey]

H1000 works well for pushing the 147s....but RL26 is pretty damn sweet

 

[XLR308]

I personally went with a Bartlien 7.5" twist for running the 147eldm to ensure I was taking full advantage of all that BC and I didn't want a barrel over 23".
With that twist rate I should be able to run everything from 130 class bullets up to the 150smk without compromise.
Just a thought

 

[Kraze]

H1000 works well for pushing the 147s....but RL26 is pretty damn sweet

Interesting. I have H1000 on hand, and I can actually find it in stores when it comes to buy more, so I might have to do some experimenting. It doesn't seem to get as much attention as RL26 in the 6.5, but if it works...

 

[XLR308]

H1000 works well for pushing the 147s....but RL26 is pretty damn sweet

Not trying to hijack but what kind of velocities would be expected with H1000 and the 147eldm ?
I have plenty of it since that's my go to in 300wm and have 500 of the 147eldm waiting for load development.

 

[Va_Gentleman]

I like the Berger 130 AR Hybrid OTM... It works very well in my Kreiger 26" 1:8 twist....

 

[bschneiderheinze]

Sierra 142 smk good bc and has been super accurate for me out to 1000 yards with 42 grains of 4350

 

[stello1001]

Not trying to hijack but what kind of velocities would be expected with H1000 and the 147eldm ?
I have plenty of it since that's my go to in 300wm and have 500 of the 147eldm waiting for load development.

I've seen and heard of people getting very close to 3000 with 147s using either that powder or RL26. I'll try to see if I can find that thread.

 

[XLR308]

I've seen and heard of people getting very close to 3000 with 147s using either that powder or RL26. I'll try to see if I can find that thread.

I have seen several threads using RL-26 but none for H1000.
Not looking to get crazy velocities just hoping I find a good node in the 2700fps range.

 

[stello1001]

I have seen several threads using RL-26 but none for H1000.
Not looking to get crazy velocities just hoping I find a good node in the 2700fps range.

Very achievable...
Let me keep looking for that!

 

[stello1001]

My apologies, I found the thread but there is no info on h1000 and speeds or results. Just others questioning on it. I'll post the link but it's mostly info on 6.5CM with 147s and RL26


https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/147gr-eld-and-reloader-26-test.6894466/page-2

Good luck!

 

[Diver160651]

Almost seems like you are a pussy if you don’t shot 147s or 140s in a 26”.

Hell, I do just fine with 123’s going 3075 in a 24” —

I’d look out side the box if you can. Do the math on wind and drop of you are interested and see what you find. The average PRS distance is between 400 and 6.

 

[XLR308]

Almost seems like you are a pussy if you don’t shot 147s or 140s in a 26”.

Hell, I do just fine with 123’s going 3075 in a 24” —

I’d look out side the box if you can. Do the math on wind and drop of you are interested and see what you find. The average PRS distance is between 400 and 6.

??? I hear you on that, I have looked at all of the data on the lighter bullets and do plan on working up a 130 hybrid load.
I'm not really interested in what the PRS cool kid fads are regarding lighter and faster as I'm more interested in energy on target and penetration. I use my rifles mainly for casual target and hunting and have allways preferred mid to heavy for caliber bullets, if I were competing in that type of COMP I definitely see you point of view.
I have a 26" 243 that fills the higher velocity niche for me.

 

[Kraze]

I always thought the rule was you're a pussy if you shoot anything less than a magnum?

I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with the lighter options, and in matches, they might be a better option. But when hunting is on the table, I tend to default towards the heavy for caliber bullets (unless you're going copper like Barnes or E-tips).

 

[Diver160651]

??? I hear you on that, I have looked at all of the data on the lighter bullets and do plan on working up a 130 hybrid load.
I'm not really interested in what the PRS cool kid fads are regarding lighter and faster as I'm more interested in energy on target and penetration. I use my rifles mainly for casual target and hunting and have allways preferred mid to heavy for caliber bullets, if I were competing in that type of COMP I definitely see you point of view.
I have a 26" 243 that fills the higher velocity niche for me.

If your interest in energy

My 140’s running near flowing brass do not have more “energy” than my 120 at 300, about 600 they are the same for all accounts.

If you have uncertain range, faster seems to make up for a few misplaced yards.

 

[XLR308]

If your interest in energy

My 140’s running near flowing brass do not have more “energy” than my 120 at 300, about 600 they are the same for all accounts.

If you have uncertain range, faster seems to make up for a few misplaced yards.

Just ran a quick calc with the 147 at 2700 fps at the altitude I would most be shooting in and it's holding over a 1040ft lbs at a 1000 yards with 7.0 mils of hold. That's plenty potent for me and I think 2700 fps from a 23" barrel might be a little conservative but playing it safe on expected velocity.
The 122gr flatline at 3100fps and 5500' of altitude would be amazing but I couldn't shoot those all the time unless someone else was paying for them.

 

[Kraze]

With good shot placement, I'd venture to say the 123s and the 140s are going to kill the same at 300 or 600 yards. I think a benefit of the heavier bullets actually comes from the other end of the spectrum, those unexpected 25 yard shots. And while neither choice is ideal for those close up shots, I think my chances of the 140 at 2800 holding together, getting some penetration and not destroying a shit ton of meat is better than the 123 at 3100. Although a close shot with either of those will probably still result in some carnage lol.

 

[bfglowkey]

2800 FPS with H1000 and the 147s are very achievable with Hornady brass 3x fired. Start around 45.5g depending on your brass. As you work up you will more then likely find 3 nodes you can work with and see which fits your needs the best. Its my backup powder when I cant find Rl26

 

[Bmoore0062]

??? I hear you on that, I have looked at all of the data on the lighter bullets and do plan on working up a 130 hybrid load.
I'm not really interested in what the PRS cool kid fads are regarding lighter and faster as I'm more interested in energy on target and penetration. I use my rifles mainly for casual target and hunting and have allways preferred mid to heavy for caliber bullets, if I were competing in that type of COMP I definitely see you point of view.
I have a 26" 243 that fills the higher velocity niche for me.

My thoughts exactly, the heavier the better BC and less wind deflection. 95% of the time I’ll be limited to 1,000 yards. However my intentions are to shoot this out to a mile. I know there are better calibers suited for this. But I might be able to shoot at a mile once a year. Not buying a 300wmg or some other big bore rifle to shoot once a year. Plus ballistic at a mile doesn’t matter it just can’t I hit the target.

 

[Bmoore0062]

I think I will end up getting a box of both (140 and 147 ELD) and play around with loads and speed.

I ran the number in ballistic advantage and depending on the speed you can push out of the 147 the higher BC is negligible if you can’t get them moving over 2700fps.

Thanks for all the advice.