managed a new best 50yd 6x5 today with my CZ457 PV/ Super Sniper 12x. .606 MOA w SK Std.
wish i woulda fouled it with more than 10 shots...
wish i woulda fouled it with more than 10 shots...
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Heres a 6x5 a blasted in the cold today alittle rough but I'll try 1 next week when it warms up the spot in middle of diamond is .350
I had a .402,.319,.346,.476,.191 and a .275. MOA avg. Was .701@50 yards. Ammo was SK long range.
I had a .402,.319,.346,.476,.191 and a .275. MOA avg. Was .701@50 yards. Ammo was SK long range.
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Appalachian, nice shooting. However is that 0.615” the average? I ask because my math says it is 0.770” (0.7705” I round up). Let me know if I am missing something.
You are correct. I don’t know how I got that number. Well, that doesn’t best my previous target. I’ll delete that post. Good looking out JBell.
There is absolutely no reason to delete the post! Feel free to post all you want. Especially if you have an experience that you learn something, share it. All good...
Something a little different:
Jay Young Rail-Gun modified by Jerry Stiller to bolt the action to the Rail vs using a barrel block.
2500X with Shilen Ratchet.
Shot in my tunnel @ 79 deg's a few days ago to test 2 lots of Tenex (1021-03008 & 1021-04008).
This is 1/2 of my Phase 1 testing which consists of 50 rds per lot of ammo using groups. I only shoot groups in Phase 1 because it's faster. I use individual shots and more robust statistical tools for Phase 2 and 3.
The next time I visit the tunnel, I'll shoot the same 2 lots in reverse order and combine the data to determine if either lot is acceptable to progress to Phase 2 testing.
If a lot passes Phase 2, I begin the final Phase 3 testing.
In this case, both lots graduate to Phase 2 if the 2nd set of grps I shoot doesn't change the average grp size, but the 1021-04008 barely squeaks in.
0.170" (1021-03008 grp avg for 5 grps).
0.220" (1021-04008 grp avg for 5 grps).
0.157" (Bull #2 to Bull #7 grp avg for 6 grps).
If I have a sufficient quantity of an ammo lot and the time, I want a bare minimum of 1 brick of ammo in order to differentiate somewhat small changes in precision and be able to predict ARA scores I'll shoot in a match under decent conditions.
And yes, I know this type of comprehensive testing is impractical for most. Fact is, there are many times it's not practical for me due to the time and expense.
Landy
Virtual Composite Group for Bull 2 to Bull 7:
Jay Young Rail-Gun modified by Jerry Stiller to bolt the action to the Rail vs using a barrel block.
2500X with Shilen Ratchet.
Shot in my tunnel @ 79 deg's a few days ago to test 2 lots of Tenex (1021-03008 & 1021-04008).
This is 1/2 of my Phase 1 testing which consists of 50 rds per lot of ammo using groups. I only shoot groups in Phase 1 because it's faster. I use individual shots and more robust statistical tools for Phase 2 and 3.
The next time I visit the tunnel, I'll shoot the same 2 lots in reverse order and combine the data to determine if either lot is acceptable to progress to Phase 2 testing.
If a lot passes Phase 2, I begin the final Phase 3 testing.
In this case, both lots graduate to Phase 2 if the 2nd set of grps I shoot doesn't change the average grp size, but the 1021-04008 barely squeaks in.
0.170" (1021-03008 grp avg for 5 grps).
0.220" (1021-04008 grp avg for 5 grps).
0.157" (Bull #2 to Bull #7 grp avg for 6 grps).
If I have a sufficient quantity of an ammo lot and the time, I want a bare minimum of 1 brick of ammo in order to differentiate somewhat small changes in precision and be able to predict ARA scores I'll shoot in a match under decent conditions.
And yes, I know this type of comprehensive testing is impractical for most. Fact is, there are many times it's not practical for me due to the time and expense.
Landy
Virtual Composite Group for Bull 2 to Bull 7:
Dang Landy, that is a fine setup and process. Do you also have a process to do any tuner testing? Would it make sense to also run each lot through a tuning testing protocol to find the best setting for each lot to optimize performance?Something a little different:
Jay Young Rail-Gun modified by Jerry Stiller to bolt the action to the Rail vs using a barrel block.
2500X with Shilen Ratchet.
Shot in my tunnel @ 79 deg's a few days ago to test 2 lots of Tenex (1021-03008 & 1021-04008).
This is 1/2 of my Phase 1 testing which consists of 50 rds per lot of ammo using groups. I only shoot groups in Phase 1 because it's faster. I use individual shots and more robust statistical tools for Phase 2 and 3.
The next time I visit the tunnel, I'll shoot the same 2 lots in reverse order and combine the data to determine if either lot is acceptable to progress to Phase 2 testing.
If a lot passes Phase 2, I begin the final Phase 3 testing.
In this case, both lots graduate to Phase 2 if the 2nd set of grps I shoot doesn't change the average grp size, but the 1021-04008 barely squeaks in.
0.170" (1021-03008 grp avg for 5 grps).
0.220" (1021-04008 grp avg for 5 grps).
0.157" (Bull #2 to Bull #7 grp avg for 6 grps).
If I have a sufficient quantity of an ammo lot and the time, I want a bare minimum of 1 brick of ammo in order to differentiate somewhat small changes in precision and be able to predict ARA scores I'll shoot in a match under decent conditions.
And yes, I know this type of comprehensive testing is impractical for most. Fact is, there are many times it's not practical for me due to the time and expense.
Landy
Virtual Composite Group for Bull 2 to Bull 7:
Thanks for sharing the pics, data and process.
RFS99
Hi Larry,
Yes, I have a process for tuning, but it would require a very lengthy post or article to explain it fully. I'm guessing we'll get to shoot together at some point this year, so corner me and I'll give you an earful that'll make you wish you had never asked the question. LOL
Landy
Hahaha! I expected you have a process and I would be willing to listen for sure. I'll catch up with you sometime this year. I'll be shooting matches at Menomonee Falls and Van Dyne Wisconsin, and Blue Grass Iowa. I will also try my best to attend the Area 3 match in Livonia in July, and the Nationals at the St. Louis Gun Club in September. If any of these are on your schedule, just let me know and I'll be sure to find you.
Thanks,
Larry
Landy, I have you on the results. That is an excellent example of what a properly built and tuned rifle and ammo can do.
very interesting - thanks for posting!Something a little different:
Jay Young Rail-Gun modified by Jerry Stiller to bolt the action to the Rail vs using a barrel block.
2500X with Shilen Ratchet.
Shot in my tunnel @ 79 deg's a few days ago to test 2 lots of Tenex (1021-03008 & 1021-04008).
This is 1/2 of my Phase 1 testing which consists of 50 rds per lot of ammo using groups. I only shoot groups in Phase 1 because it's faster. I use individual shots and more robust statistical tools for Phase 2 and 3.
The next time I visit the tunnel, I'll shoot the same 2 lots in reverse order and combine the data to determine if either lot is acceptable to progress to Phase 2 testing.
If a lot passes Phase 2, I begin the final Phase 3 testing.
In this case, both lots graduate to Phase 2 if the 2nd set of grps I shoot doesn't change the average grp size, but the 1021-04008 barely squeaks in.
0.170" (1021-03008 grp avg for 5 grps).
0.220" (1021-04008 grp avg for 5 grps).
0.157" (Bull #2 to Bull #7 grp avg for 6 grps).
If I have a sufficient quantity of an ammo lot and the time, I want a bare minimum of 1 brick of ammo in order to differentiate somewhat small changes in precision and be able to predict ARA scores I'll shoot in a match under decent conditions.
And yes, I know this type of comprehensive testing is impractical for most. Fact is, there are many times it's not practical for me due to the time and expense.
Landy
Virtual Composite Group for Bull 2 to Bull 7:
New groups with German Lead and Czech Steel I did a 5x6x3 today shot SK PLUS center diamond SK MATCH top diamond SK Long Range bottom diamond . Mainly to have a SK shoot out there was a little operator error my blood pressure and plus rate is not like it was a few years back. Rifle highly tuned CZ453 American scope a beater BSA sweet 22 biod Harris.
Sk match group avg. .306. SK Plus .311 avg. SK Long Range .208 with a .398 MOA best Group SKLR .0632 group .1206 MOA. there was a time when I could operate this gun from .08 to .140 at 50 yds daily OLD AGE.
Sk match group avg. .306. SK Plus .311 avg. SK Long Range .208 with a .398 MOA best Group SKLR .0632 group .1206 MOA. there was a time when I could operate this gun from .08 to .140 at 50 yds daily OLD AGE.
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Check your SK LR average, I have it at 0.2505” (which I would round up to a 0.251”, b/c I round them all up). Let me know if I am incorrect. Either way damn good shooting!
I was reading the order in which the target was shot incorrectly, I have it corrected and your CZ on the results. Great shooting rifle!
Anny day ! 1517 Alabama bread! Hornady 17 gr vmax. pod Harris Scope M40 issue Springfield Armory 40 plus year old glass, Lepold mounts. You can make fun of the glass it's old school , but not the gun factory target was .316 at 100 yds. Unfortunately I only did 1/2 as good as the German at 50 yds. 312 avg on 5x6 best group .200
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That is a damn good shooting with the Anschutz, I think your last two targets are the most impressive submissions I have seen considering they are shot with what looks to be stock factory sporter rifles. I have your Anschutz on the results.
The 453 is the most accurate 22lr I've owned it's close with a 451s I had years back. The 1517 is the most accurate anschutz I've had but it needs trigger surgery , I just havnt got to it the break is precise and crisp but it's like pushing on a bumper jack on trigger pull. I wanted to drag out my old iron to see if I could figure out my occasional errors on my RIM X . I believe I've found it the great amount of difference in the stocks is creating the problem. So it's time to upgrade the rim x to a thinner design.
I have 4 entries. 1st is my Anschutz MPR. Yesterday I was checking dope from 50 yards out to 365 yards. I fired 4 groups on the target with the bigger black circles at 100 yards. Then I shot on steel out to 365 and came back to my 100 yard setting and fired 2 more groups for the 6x5. It was 6 consecutive groups on this target even they weren't exactly consecutive. 
Best group was 1.050 and average was 1.707. MPR, Vortex Strike Eagle MOA 5-25, SK Biathlon, Bipod and rear bag from the bench. The first shot when I dialed back to 100 was pretty high and out of the group.
Today I shot my Vudoo, NF 7-35, SK Biathlon, bipod and rear bag from the bench. 50 yard target is the ARA target and it includes my first cold bore shot of the day. Average is .398 and best group is .261. I think I already have a better target posted for 50 yards.
100 yard target has the same gun info. Average is 1.257 and best is 1.008.
200 yard target is the orange dots on the well used IDPA target. Average is 3.239 and best is 2.135. Sunny day, 65 degrees and the wind was 3 to 5 mph but switching a little. Mirage was pretty bad. When I was shooting at 200, I just tried to hold toward the middle of the orange bouncing ball.
Best group was 1.050 and average was 1.707. MPR, Vortex Strike Eagle MOA 5-25, SK Biathlon, Bipod and rear bag from the bench. The first shot when I dialed back to 100 was pretty high and out of the group. Today I shot my Vudoo, NF 7-35, SK Biathlon, bipod and rear bag from the bench. 50 yard target is the ARA target and it includes my first cold bore shot of the day. Average is .398 and best group is .261. I think I already have a better target posted for 50 yards.
100 yard target has the same gun info. Average is 1.257 and best is 1.008.
200 yard target is the orange dots on the well used IDPA target. Average is 3.239 and best is 2.135. Sunny day, 65 degrees and the wind was 3 to 5 mph but switching a little. Mirage was pretty bad. When I was shooting at 200, I just tried to hold toward the middle of the orange bouncing ball.
No, I never made one. I have just always added any of the other rimfire calibers to the mix and noted it.
No dramas mate cheers. I'll be getting some time in behind the 17 when I get home.
Ruger 10/22 with Victor Co. Titan, KIDD ULW 16", KIDD single stage trigger, Nitro 2-10.
50yds with CCI SV off my old cheap bags. Not great but better than my last time!
Ave: 0.444
Best: 0.353
50yds with CCI SV off my old cheap bags. Not great but better than my last time!
Ave: 0.444
Best: 0.353
Interested to see how it shoots. I was thinking of ordering a .22 WMR or .17 HMR Vudoo, but you can't get the 3/60 action and wasn't sure if I could personally justify the cost of the rifle with no match ammo available....especially when I picked up a Anschutz 1717 HB on the secondary market awhile back for a great price. But I still might....
I havent done a 6x5 yet but its shot a few sub 1in groups at 100m and a 1.5MOA approx group at 200m for 10 Shots.
My 17HMR is a CZ457 Varmint. My Vudoo I'm waiting on is a 22LR but dont worry, a 17HMR model has been in the back of my mind. But as you say, the lack of match ammo for 17HMR, sucks to say the least.
Im going to run it thru a 6x5 when I get home next week. Ive been too long not shooting them
Below is the CZ. Torch is for night time work sniping bunnies.
My 17HMR is a CZ457 Varmint. My Vudoo I'm waiting on is a 22LR but dont worry, a 17HMR model has been in the back of my mind. But as you say, the lack of match ammo for 17HMR, sucks to say the least.
Im going to run it thru a 6x5 when I get home next week. Ive been too long not shooting them
Below is the CZ. Torch is for night time work sniping bunnies.
That is a sweet set-up. I have done the 6x5 with my Anschutz, but need to give it another go over the Memorial Day weekend.I havent done a 6x5 yet but its shot a few sub 1in groups at 100m and a 1.5MOA approx group at 200m for 10 Shots.
My 17HMR is a CZ457 Varmint. My Vudoo I'm waiting on is a 22LR but dont worry, a 17HMR model has been in the back of my mind. But as you say, the lack of match ammo for 17HMR, sucks to say the least.
Im going to run it thru a 6x5 when I get home next week. Ive been too long not shooting them
Below is the CZ. Torch is for night time work sniping bunnies.
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First 42 rounds out of this rifle at 50 meters. Random lot of R50. It’s a cropped picture so that’s why the math for the average group size is off, but here’s the closest six and the full target.
Anschutz 1710 Competition Series
Nightforce NX8 Mil-XT
Anschutz 1710 Competition Series
Nightforce NX8 Mil-XT
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Thanks! You should see the factory stock it came with. I actually found a repaired stock on eBay for less than $100 which is the one you see in the photo. That way I don’t feel so bad using it as a truck gin.
Not six groups, only five of five shots each. At 57 yards this morning, it was the 13th shot that made me say a bad word. With the 13th included, the five group average is .244". It was a surprise because this lot of CX never produced such results.
Have you shot this lot at this temp and humidity ?Not six groups, only five of five shots each. At 57 yards this morning, it was the 13th shot that made me say a bad word. With the 13th included, the five group average is .244". It was a surprise because this lot of CX never produced such results.
Yes. The target that immediately preceded the one shown. It was unremarkable.
Had the B14R out today and shot a respectable 100yrd 6 x 5. Stars aligned for target #4 & then I fell apart on #5
I came up with .683 moa avg.
Gun is set up for PRS/positional type matches.
Shot with the pictured bipod & bag.
B14R steel
Manners EH4 with mini chassis
Home made tuner (still need to play with it at 200yrds)
Razor LHT 3-15 x 42 mil
SK Long Range Match
I came up with .683 moa avg.
Gun is set up for PRS/positional type matches.
Shot with the pictured bipod & bag.
B14R steel
Manners EH4 with mini chassis
Home made tuner (still need to play with it at 200yrds)
Razor LHT 3-15 x 42 mil
SK Long Range Match
