7 PRC is released. Any thoughts? especially on the action length? I'm not asking a bunch of questions to keep the topic broad on purpose. L
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Haven’t heard is is short mag or long action magnum? I think they should have made this a short mag instead of the 6.5 prc7 PRC is released. Any thoughts? especially on the action length? I'm not asking a bunch of questions to keep the topic broad on purpose. L
Build on the 300 PRC case, so not a short action.Haven’t heard is is short mag or long action magnum? I think they should have made this a short mag instead of the 6.5 prc
Not on the 300 PRC, shorter, I believe.Build on the 300 PRC case, so not a short action.
a bit better performanceSo basically a 7WSM in a long action... with Hornady marking hype.
That's what my old 7WSM did with the 180s. 2950ish FPS but in a short action. A lot of people went with a long action since you don't have the mag restrictions.a bit better performance
Seems kinda lame for that amount of powder. .280ai's basically do that.180's at 2950 or so.
That sounds pretty fantastic to me if brass will be obtainable.So basically a 7WSM in a long action... with Hornady marking hype.
Cartridge | H20 Capacity | Max COAL | Case Length | Shoulder Angle | Head Diameter | Neck Length |
28 Nosler | 98 | 3.34 | 2.59 | 35 | 0.534 | 0.2756 |
300 PRC | 96 | 3.7 | 2.58 | 30 | 0.532 | 0.3076 |
7 LRM | 82 | ? | 2.514 | 30 | 0.528 | 0.382 |
300 Win Mag | 83 | 3.34 | 2.62 | 25 | 0.532 | 0.2639 |
300 WSM | 77 | 2.86 | 2.1 | 35 | 0.535 | 0.2979 |
7 PRC | 78 | 3.34 | 2.28 | 30 | 0.532 | 0.2868 |
6.8 Western | 75 | 2.955 | 2.02 | 35 | 0.535 | 0.2765 |
7 SAUM | 74 | 2.825 | 2.035 | 30 | 0.534 | 0.3108 |
7mm Rem Mag | 82 | 3.29 | 2.5 | 25 | 0.532 | 0.2712 |
280 AI | 65 | 3.33 | 2.525 | 40 | 0.472 | 0.3455 |
I know multiple hunters with 7RUM and doubt they will see 200 rounds through them in 10 years.I had some thoughts after posting in the other thread and now this one.
A lot of times enthusiasts (that’d be us) project our likes on the shooting populace as a whole. What does a PRC do better than a properly configured* RM/WM we ask?
Therein lies the rub.
*Most shooters want a turn key solution, or at least that ability. Most shooters are not going to have a legacy magnum properly configured and custom throated for a specific bullet to get that last % of performance. If you can buy an off the rack rifle and ammo and shoot 1/2 Moa to 1k that shit is what sells. Add top notch components for reloaders and you have something for everyone. Fucking legend.
And 180 @ 2950? Seems like they’re trying to go head to head with the 6.8 Western and I bet they come out on top. Moderate speed and pressure probably double the barrel life of the 28 Nosler and 7 RUM which is big sore spot for a lot of people, even the enthusiast. I wonder what we could do with this 7 PRC in a Lapua case and a nice charge of RL26? Probably run it fast enough to blow up an ELD.
Or to put all this in a different perspective, hardly anyone is buying a mopar and sending it to Hennessy they’re going straight for the Hellcat.
Get 300wsm Norma brass trim if need it, fire form it and you’ll get a way superior brass quality that the shitty Hornady brass. I did that with my 7wsm7 WSM will throw a 175 at 2900 without too much effort. That’s with mag length short action.
Hilarious part- I just built one and Hornady was really my only brass option.
So I’m about to go buy a bunch of their 7 WSM brass in case they stop supporting it in favor of the new chick who looks about the same.
Maybe this is better. Who knows. Better have brass available.
Or even better some ADG 300 WSM.Get 300wsm Norma brass trim if need it, fire form it and you’ll get a way superior brass quality that the shitty Hornady brass. I did that with my 7wsm
I cut my 7RM down from 26" to 22.5" to have a thick enough barrel to thread for a can. Even after cutting it down to 22.5", I'm getting 2,931 FPS MV with Berger 168 VLD's in Nosler brass pushed with IMR 7977 and CCI 250's. The old 7mmRM is still a VERY valid cartridge, especially if you run a 1:8 twist. Unfortunately my barrel is an older barrel and it's 9.25" twist, but once I replace it, it will be getting a 22" 1:8" twist CF barrel for running 195's.Basically same same as 7RM. Disappointing
That’s a real shame. Already tons of long action 7mm on the market way more popular. The 7PRC in a short action would have filled a niche really missing in my opinion. This caliber will likely not be as successful given the 28 nosler, 7 rem mag and others already out there it will have to compete with. Very very Short barrel life is in its future.
I can do 3K fps with 195s in my 7LRM. I back it off to ~2960fps for better accuracy, but still...EDIT***
It is a long action cartridge.
Case length is a bit shorter than the 7mm Rem mag.
Optimized for long heavy bullets.
180's at 2950 or so.
Good performance without being ridiculously overbore.
Yes, I think the 7LRM is a better mousetrap, over bore, for sure, but not crazy like a 7-300.I can do 3K fps with 195s in my 7LRM. I back it off to ~2960fps for better accuracy, but still...
The downside of factory ammo is the you will never get a super low sdIt’s a magnum 7mm with a case/chamber optimized for modern high bc heavy for caliber bullets just like the 300 PRC.
Factory match ammo with a 180 gr @2950, nothing this side of 28 Nosler can touch that.
Edit: 24” barrel too
Yeah. I just checked my old data cards and we were shooting 180's at 2950, or 162/168's at over 3100 fps well over a decade ago, from 26" 7RM's. In my case, in an AWM. Still works great.I cut my 7RM down from 26" to 22.5" to have a thick enough barrel to thread for a can. Even after cutting it down to 22.5", I'm getting 2,931 FPS MV with Berger 168 VLD's in Nosler brass pushed with IMR 7977 and CCI 250's. The old 7mmRM is still a VERY valid cartridge, especially if you run a 1:8 twist. Unfortunately my barrel is an older barrel and it's 9.25" twist, but once I replace it, it will be getting a 22" 1:8" twist CF barrel for running 195's.
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7-300norma ackley improved. Get with the times fellas.
I almost asked him did that come with free stock options for the barrel manufacturer or your choice? Nothing like a 300-400 round accurate barrel life. You get just enough barrel life to develop a load, and then hunt with it and never shoot it at the range again.This message is approved by all barrel manufacturers
How is there a niche? We already have the SAUM and WSM, they don’t fit in a short action as it is and a case any smaller will not have enough velocity to excite anyone.That’s a real shame. Already tons of long action 7mm on the market way more popular. The 7PRC in a short action would have filled a niche really missing in my opinion. This caliber will likely not be as successful given the 28 nosler, 7 rem mag and others already out there it will have to compete with. Very very Short barrel life is in its future.
How is there a niche? We already have the SAUM and WSM, they don’t fit in a short action as it is and a case any smaller will not have enough velocity to excite anyone.
That’s a helluva shoulder angle…View attachment 7902275
7-300norma ackley improved. Get with the times fellas.
My 7WSM were loaded to 2.963 OAL on a modified AICS mag. And it was running Berger 180s 2950FPS.Those cases were good designs hampered by a poor execution owing to the methodology of the day. A short mag case loaded with typical for the era hunting bullets at 308 oal. No wonder they didn’t go anywhere.
I’d love to see a 7-6.5 PRC sized case loaded to 2.95 with full factory support. 162 ELD @ 2950 would be easy street.
And I'm guessing that with the case length of the 7 PRC they have the 190 class bullets in mind for this cartridge. I'm very intrigued with what this case will do hand loaded and once top tier brass mfgs hop on board.Let's be honest... Once these are in the wild there will be people hand loading 190's at 3100 in 26" tubes...
It’s bigger than a 6.5 PRC necked up....Ammo I saw was about halfway between 6.5 and 300PRC case wise.I don't understand the new interest of this. If a person is interested in hand loading this, they could've built one of these for the last couple of years. Neck a PRC up, seat a bullet to length, send to Manson. I could see where a person would be excited about factory ammo. If you're into that sort of thing.
Exactly! I’m betting it will be a huge success along with the other PRC’s just like the creedmor.It's basically like the 6.5CM vs .260 debate years ago.....