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Barney88PDCXGunny Sergeant
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7 SAUM
12/22/2014 Last edited 04/08/2015 by Facemelter
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If you are going to use Hodgdon powder I would recommend H1000 for barrels 26"+ and H4831sc for 24", Retumbo seems too slow.
Max for H1000 is going to be about 65.5 (start at 61) and with H4831sc max is about 62.5 (start at 58) with 180 class bullets, as always work up to these loads. Note that is in a long action with bullets seated long with 0.180" freebore. If you are in a short action with a shorter freebore then your max load and starting load should be less.
Trim to length for brass is 2.025"
26" long barrel
Brass: Nosler
Primer: CCI BR2
Powder: 65.5 H1000
Bullet: 180 Berger VLD jammed 0.010" into the lands 3.025" OAL 2960fps
24" long barrel
Brass: Nosler
Primer: CCI BR2
Powder: 62.5 H4831sc
Bullet: 180 Berger VLD jammed 0.010" into the lands 3.025" OAL
24" long barrel
Brass: Nosler
Primer: CCI BR2
Powder: 63.0 H4831sc
Bullet: 180 Berger Hybrid 3.060" OAL
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Barney88PDCXGunny Sergeant
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Re: 7SAUM
02/21/2015
Please sticky this caliber.
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wjm308
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Re: 7SAUM Please Sticky this caliber
02/26/2015
Yes, please sticky the 7mm RSAUM. Thanks for the info Barney
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SkimafiaXPrivate
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Re: 7 SAUM
04/10/2015
I am in the process of building my first rifle and decided to go with a 7RSAUM. I am wondering what data people have on 168s. I need help to know what specs I should make my dummy rounds to. I am using Nosler brass and Berger hunting VLDs in 168. Any suggestions would be appreciated!
Thanks
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Aeon1XSergeant
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Re: 7 SAUM
04/27/2015 Last edited 04/27/2015 by Aeon1
Brownells has sent notice to all that have Remington 7mm RSAUM brass on backorder that Remington is not going to supply this brass and all backorders are being cancelled. I spoke with Brownells and they say it is unknown if Remington will produce it at a future date but at this time Brownells has deemed it discontinued. The website still shows a "notify me when back in stock" option but Brownells says this will be removed.
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jbailey1XFirst Sergeant
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Re: 7 SAUM
04/28/2015 Last edited 04/28/2015 by jbailey1
Here is my 7 SAUM load:
180gr Berger Hybrid (which I point)
62.0gr of Retumbo
2.950" OAL
Fed primer
Nosler brass
In a short action, DBM rifle w/ a Krieger 9 twist, 26". Does 2900fps at the muzzle, SD 10-ish.
The pointed Hybrid increases the BC by ~5%, to 0.70 G1 BC.
Love the rifle, cartridge and projectile. Finished top 5 at ASC with it. Had a 3rd hit at 1960yds (still looking for a >2000yd hit). Absolutely pounds at a mile.
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jbailey1XFirst Sergeant
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Re: 7 SAUM
04/28/2015
bullets.com/search?s=category%3abrass&s=cartridge:7mm+SAUM&o=1
Not cheap stuff, but the brass, loaded to moderate pressures, lasts a long time. In the long-run, get good stuff, take care of it, and you will get many many more hits than with cheap-o brass. Hits at long range all all about getting the ES/SD of MV down, and good brass is the quickest route to that outcome!
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Idahohorseman
XGunny Sergeant
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Re: 7 SAUM
06/04/2015
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jbailey1XFirst Sergeant
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Re: 7 SAUM
06/05/2015
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ohhdubXPrivate
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Re: 7 SAUM
07/08/2015
what are your thoughts on H1000 with 162 AMAX or 150LR Accubonds. My hunting rifle is a Crescent Customs 7SAUM with 25" #3 Bartlein. right now i am at 59g of h4350 with the 150LR AB = 3054fps
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wjm308
XFirst Sergeant
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Re: 7 SAUM
09/10/2015
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MarcusW
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Re: 7 SAUM
10/05/2015
Haven't been able to get my hands on H1000 so picked up some of IMR's new 7977, it's just above H1000 on the burn rate chart. Anyone done any testing with this? I've found some data for 7MM RM and was going to use the minimum for that as a starting point in my 7SAUM with 168 VLD Hunter and 180gr Hybrids.
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Barney88PDCXGunny Sergeant
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Re: 7 SAUM
10/05/2015
An acquaintance has used this with great results in a 6.5 SAUM. Said his loads were identical to H1000. As always work up but his reports were that it was interchangeable for that caliber.
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dino67
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Re: 7 SAUM
10/26/2015 Last edited 07/29/2016 by dino67
Just finished a 7mm SAUM build on a Tikka action. Pics and details on page 11 of Tikka T3 thread in Bolt Action sub forum.
27" Bartlein
Norma Case
RWS LR Primer
Berger 180gr Hybrid
COAL 2.950" (15 thou off the lands)
62.3 gr Retumbo/AR2225 (for aussies)
2900fps
Put 8 shots into .393" at 100 yards, bipod and rear bag off bench.
Shot a comp on weekend at 300, 400, 500 yards. Load appeared to work OK at these short distances
7mm SUAM will feed out of Accurate 308 AICS mags, mine have no front plate. I could fit 8 in a 10 round mag. No feed lips or other mods needed.
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wapiti16bXGunny Sergeant
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Re: 7 SAUM
11/15/2015
I'm in the beginning phase of a new build and I know I want a 7mm something , what kind of barrel life can I expect from a 7SAUM and what DBMs work best with this cartridge ? . I'm hoping the Alphas are GTG as I don't think they need any modifications .
Excuse me if this is the wrong section to post these questions but I want opinions from people with real experience using this cartridge .
Thanks !
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SanSooShooter7XPrivate
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Re: 7 SAUM
12/18/2015
love this cartridge...
26" barrel on a 700 short action...
168 vld
4831sc 60 gr
Rem 9 1/2M
2865 FPS
couldn't find the next node
180 Hybrid
H1000 64.0gr
CCI BR2
2895 fps
.75" groupings
180 Hybrid
Retumbo 65.3 gr
CCI BR2
2930 FPS
.65" MOA out to 1000 yards...
so alpha mags are the way to go...
1700 rounds down the barrel... and still holding under 3/4 moa consistently
what is the trick to building this on a Long Action?
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7 SAUM
12/22/2014 Last edited 04/08/2015 by Facemelter
(2 votes)
If you are going to use Hodgdon powder I would recommend H1000 for barrels 26"+ and H4831sc for 24", Retumbo seems too slow.
Max for H1000 is going to be about 65.5 (start at 61) and with H4831sc max is about 62.5 (start at 58) with 180 class bullets, as always work up to these loads. Note that is in a long action with bullets seated long with 0.180" freebore. If you are in a short action with a shorter freebore then your max load and starting load should be less.
Trim to length for brass is 2.025"
26" long barrel
Brass: Nosler
Primer: CCI BR2
Powder: 65.5 H1000
Bullet: 180 Berger VLD jammed 0.010" into the lands 3.025" OAL 2960fps
24" long barrel
Brass: Nosler
Primer: CCI BR2
Powder: 62.5 H4831sc
Bullet: 180 Berger VLD jammed 0.010" into the lands 3.025" OAL
24" long barrel
Brass: Nosler
Primer: CCI BR2
Powder: 63.0 H4831sc
Bullet: 180 Berger Hybrid 3.060" OAL
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Barney88PDCXGunny Sergeant
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Re: 7SAUM
02/21/2015
Please sticky this caliber.
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wjm308
XFirst Sergeant
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2357 posts this site
Re: 7SAUM Please Sticky this caliber
02/26/2015
Yes, please sticky the 7mm RSAUM. Thanks for the info Barney
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SkimafiaXPrivate
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21 posts this site
Re: 7 SAUM
04/10/2015
I am in the process of building my first rifle and decided to go with a 7RSAUM. I am wondering what data people have on 168s. I need help to know what specs I should make my dummy rounds to. I am using Nosler brass and Berger hunting VLDs in 168. Any suggestions would be appreciated!
Thanks
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Aeon1XSergeant
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405 posts this site
Re: 7 SAUM
04/27/2015 Last edited 04/27/2015 by Aeon1
Brownells has sent notice to all that have Remington 7mm RSAUM brass on backorder that Remington is not going to supply this brass and all backorders are being cancelled. I spoke with Brownells and they say it is unknown if Remington will produce it at a future date but at this time Brownells has deemed it discontinued. The website still shows a "notify me when back in stock" option but Brownells says this will be removed.
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jbailey1XFirst Sergeant
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Re: 7 SAUM
04/28/2015 Last edited 04/28/2015 by jbailey1
Here is my 7 SAUM load:
180gr Berger Hybrid (which I point)
62.0gr of Retumbo
2.950" OAL
Fed primer
Nosler brass
In a short action, DBM rifle w/ a Krieger 9 twist, 26". Does 2900fps at the muzzle, SD 10-ish.
The pointed Hybrid increases the BC by ~5%, to 0.70 G1 BC.
Love the rifle, cartridge and projectile. Finished top 5 at ASC with it. Had a 3rd hit at 1960yds (still looking for a >2000yd hit). Absolutely pounds at a mile.
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jbailey1XFirst Sergeant
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1651 posts this site
Re: 7 SAUM
04/28/2015
Aeon1 wrote:
Brownells has sent notice to all that have Remington 7mm RSAUM brass on backorder that Remington is not going to supply this brass and all backorders are being cancelled. I spoke with Brownells and they say it is unknown if Remington will produce it at a future date but at this time Brownells has deemed it discontinued. The website still shows a "notify me when back in stock" option but Brownells says this will be removed.
For guys looking for brass, Bullets.com has a good stock:Brownells has sent notice to all that have Remington 7mm RSAUM brass on backorder that Remington is not going to supply this brass and all backorders are being cancelled. I spoke with Brownells and they say it is unknown if Remington will produce it at a future date but at this time Brownells has deemed it discontinued. The website still shows a "notify me when back in stock" option but Brownells says this will be removed.
bullets.com/search?s=category%3abrass&s=cartridge:7mm+SAUM&o=1
Not cheap stuff, but the brass, loaded to moderate pressures, lasts a long time. In the long-run, get good stuff, take care of it, and you will get many many more hits than with cheap-o brass. Hits at long range all all about getting the ES/SD of MV down, and good brass is the quickest route to that outcome!
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Idahohorseman
XGunny Sergeant
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Re: 7 SAUM
06/04/2015
jbailey1 wrote:
bullets.com/search?s=category%3abrass&s=cartridge:7mm+SAUM&o=1
Not cheap stuff, but the brass, loaded to moderate pressures, lasts a long time. In the long-run, get good stuff, take care of it, and you will get many many more hits than with cheap-o brass. Hits at long range all all about getting the ES/SD of MV down, and good brass is the quickest route to that outcome!
Aeon1 wrote:
Brownells has sent notice to all that have Remington 7mm RSAUM brass on backorder that Remington is not going to supply this brass and all backorders are being cancelled. I spoke with Brownells and they say it is unknown if Remington will produce it at a future date but at this time Brownells has deemed it discontinued. The website still shows a "notify me when back in stock" option but Brownells says this will be removed.
For guys looking for brass, Bullets.com has a good stock:Brownells has sent notice to all that have Remington 7mm RSAUM brass on backorder that Remington is not going to supply this brass and all backorders are being cancelled. I spoke with Brownells and they say it is unknown if Remington will produce it at a future date but at this time Brownells has deemed it discontinued. The website still shows a "notify me when back in stock" option but Brownells says this will be removed.
bullets.com/search?s=category%3abrass&s=cartridge:7mm+SAUM&o=1
Not cheap stuff, but the brass, loaded to moderate pressures, lasts a long time. In the long-run, get good stuff, take care of it, and you will get many many more hits than with cheap-o brass. Hits at long range all all about getting the ES/SD of MV down, and good brass is the quickest route to that outcome!
Guys with the 6.5 Saum are claiming 2500 rounds/barrel using H1000. Are you seeing this kind of longevity?
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jbailey1XFirst Sergeant
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Re: 7 SAUM
06/05/2015
Idahohorseman wrote:
Wish I shot enough to drive that many rounds thru my rifles. I just don't have the time to get out that much. My 7 SAUM has 1000 rounds on it and it shoots great, no sign of wear. I don't abuse it however.Guys with the 6.5 Saum are claiming 2500 rounds/barrel using H1000. Are you seeing this kind of longevity?
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ohhdubXPrivate
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Re: 7 SAUM
07/08/2015
what are your thoughts on H1000 with 162 AMAX or 150LR Accubonds. My hunting rifle is a Crescent Customs 7SAUM with 25" #3 Bartlein. right now i am at 59g of h4350 with the 150LR AB = 3054fps
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wjm308
XFirst Sergeant
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2357 posts this site
Re: 7 SAUM
09/10/2015
ohhdub wrote:
what are your thoughts on H1000 with 162 AMAX or 150LR Accubonds. My hunting rifle is a Crescent Customs 7SAUM with 25" #3 Bartlein. right now i am at 59g of h4350 with the 150LR AB = 3054fps
I would think H1000 would be a tad too slow for those lighter bullets. Folks get excellent results with H4831SC and the 162's but I've only shot 168's and heavier out of mine and since I have a bunch of H1000 that is what I use. Picked up some Retumbo recently to test as its burn rate is close to Reloder 25 which has yielded decent accuracy potential but I don't like the temperature shifts up here at 7500'! H1000 will certainly push the lighter bullets out but I think there are better powders for the lighter bullets.what are your thoughts on H1000 with 162 AMAX or 150LR Accubonds. My hunting rifle is a Crescent Customs 7SAUM with 25" #3 Bartlein. right now i am at 59g of h4350 with the 150LR AB = 3054fps
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MarcusW
X79 MONTHS
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Sergeant
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Re: 7 SAUM
10/05/2015
Haven't been able to get my hands on H1000 so picked up some of IMR's new 7977, it's just above H1000 on the burn rate chart. Anyone done any testing with this? I've found some data for 7MM RM and was going to use the minimum for that as a starting point in my 7SAUM with 168 VLD Hunter and 180gr Hybrids.
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Barney88PDCXGunny Sergeant
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902 posts this site
Re: 7 SAUM
10/05/2015
An acquaintance has used this with great results in a 6.5 SAUM. Said his loads were identical to H1000. As always work up but his reports were that it was interchangeable for that caliber.
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dino67
XCorporal
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Re: 7 SAUM
10/26/2015 Last edited 07/29/2016 by dino67
Just finished a 7mm SAUM build on a Tikka action. Pics and details on page 11 of Tikka T3 thread in Bolt Action sub forum.
27" Bartlein
Norma Case
RWS LR Primer
Berger 180gr Hybrid
COAL 2.950" (15 thou off the lands)
62.3 gr Retumbo/AR2225 (for aussies)
2900fps
Put 8 shots into .393" at 100 yards, bipod and rear bag off bench.
Shot a comp on weekend at 300, 400, 500 yards. Load appeared to work OK at these short distances
7mm SUAM will feed out of Accurate 308 AICS mags, mine have no front plate. I could fit 8 in a 10 round mag. No feed lips or other mods needed.
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wapiti16bXGunny Sergeant
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669 posts this site
Re: 7 SAUM
11/15/2015
I'm in the beginning phase of a new build and I know I want a 7mm something , what kind of barrel life can I expect from a 7SAUM and what DBMs work best with this cartridge ? . I'm hoping the Alphas are GTG as I don't think they need any modifications .
Excuse me if this is the wrong section to post these questions but I want opinions from people with real experience using this cartridge .
Thanks !
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SanSooShooter7XPrivate
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Re: 7 SAUM
12/18/2015
love this cartridge...
26" barrel on a 700 short action...
168 vld
4831sc 60 gr
Rem 9 1/2M
2865 FPS
couldn't find the next node
180 Hybrid
H1000 64.0gr
CCI BR2
2895 fps
.75" groupings
180 Hybrid
Retumbo 65.3 gr
CCI BR2
2930 FPS
.65" MOA out to 1000 yards...
so alpha mags are the way to go...
1700 rounds down the barrel... and still holding under 3/4 moa consistently
what is the trick to building this on a Long Action?