700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

[Bulldog308]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

I've been shooting with the front bag out there at the end of the stock. But there might not be enough pressure to make it touch just yet. I know its real flimsy out there. Only about 1/16" clearance under the barrel and the stock is easily pushed into the bottom of the barrel by hand. I will probably end up upgrading to something else, just not sure what.

I trigger hasn't been bad for me. I adjusted it down about a half turn on the screw and that made a nice improvement. I need to back it off a little more and I should be good to go. As long as it holds it weight and crispness that is.

 

[Helter]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

Can't you set a piece of allthread, or similar steel rod into the stock to stiffen it?

 

[Lockback]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

I've been watching this thread for four days now and what I'm about to say may piss some of you off however it needs to be said, some of you need to check your information and solutions to issues before posting, remember just because you read it on here does NOT make it gospel. take that as a disclaimer:

1) NEVER loosen your action screws under torque specs to try to float your tupperware stock, the hogue is shit either deal with it or replace it. you mentioned cost, the bell and carlson stocks are an affordable and outstanding option, they go for 200 all day on gun broker. keeping true and constant tension from action to stock helps accuracy.

2) quality control at remington is not so bad that they are producing something you should be losing sleep over. personally i think if you are questioning if its you or the rifle making shitty groups, even after you replaced the stock with a good one, then chances are its you. you shoot long enough you will KNOW when you shanked a shot or if its your weapon thats messed up.

3) the new triggers if adjusted right, which you can do on your own and no 4 lbs is not the lowest they adjust, work just fine for any shooter, just remember if you bring it below 3 lbs to put some locktight on the adjuster screw, it will work loose.

4) the best way to get better is not on some online forum, find someone local that knows his shit and go out and shoot with him, if recoil is an issue on a 308 for you then I would be proned to calling you a certain female body part, just kidding, dont fear the recoil, dont try to control it, set it free and recover. dry fire, dry fire, dry fire, shooting is all about good habits, you dont get addicted to smoking off one cigarette once a month, chain smoke if you want it to be second nature, what i mean by that is dry fire and play with your rifle, get to know it, it has a personality, give it a name, sounds stupid but you have to bond with it.

5) if you feel something is wrong with the rifle, dont shoot it go get it looked at, make sure all is tight and mounted correctly, there is nothing worse then wasting ammo chasing shoots and getting pissed when a ring is loose.

6) i'm not attacking anyone, i just can sit back and look at some of these posts, some are good advice, others....well, you should probably stop posting and start reading. be smart, all it takes is one retard hurting himself with a rifle that he loosened his action up which is subject to exteme amounts of pressure when fired and its just more ammo for anti gun liberals to come at us with.

last thing, if any of you are so concerned that your "remmy" is subpar sell it to me

Rusty

 

[Lockback]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

also, i wouldn't suggest the tubb kit in a factory barrel. I dont know of any smith that would suggest it, get it lapped if you're scared of some chatter marks. reason being is if you ever bore scope a factory barrel you can SEE that it is not a true one sized hole at the way through, there are areas that open up, think of it as a adjustable necked straw that girls use to sip fruity drinks at bars. when you run those finishing bullets through there you will cause uneven pressure in those wider spots and could damage the barrel. keep it mind its a factory rifle, dont buy a camaro ss, well do i love mine, and race it against a nascar car and get pissed when you lose. what i'm saying is it may have small issues, i've bought 2 sps's in the last year, never fired a shot with the tupperware stocks, one's headspace was 1.634, just a hair out of match specs, for 100 bucks a smith moved the barrel back, the other one had basically no crown for 40 a smith recrowned it. these stock rifles are not GAPs, i mean you pay 600 for a sps, what do you honestly expect??

 

[gixxerdims]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

Rusty,
I appreciate all the good advice you have just mentioned.

As far as the stock goes - i'm not too concerned, i plan on swapping it out.

What i fear is that its the actual action/barrel assembly etc.

One of the other posts before how the guy got really bad groups unless he was hand loading bullets on the lands, which meant he couldn't load more than 1 at a time, THAT is what i'm worried about.
Car reference.
You can take a faulty engine and put it into another chassis, you might have a brand new chassis (stock of the gun) but the engine is still faulty, and no matter who is driving, you're not going to do well.

I'm not sitting here jumping up and down wondering why my gun isn't shooting .2MOA, no, i'd be HAPPY if it shot to 1 MOA, or just under. Instead its shooting 2-3" at 100m. THAT is what bothers me. I know i can always get better, i'm by no means a great shooter, however to be getting groups as listed above, it just seems to me that something isn't quite right.

 

[Lockback]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

as long as its in that stock i wouldn't be overly worried, i haven't shot to much match ammo out of stock rifles, i prefer to roll my own. as far as getting horrible groups unless its kissing the lands, hey to each their own, i've shot 155 grain skinnies and the only way to get them to shoot was with a .001 jam into the lands. i didn't like that so i dropped the dirty thoughts about scenars and stuck with match kings, which are not overly picky about depth, i load to mag length but typically single feed anyway. I wont discredit his lack of getting good groups unless he was against the lands but thats why god made so many different bullet options, find one that doesn't need to be jammed if you dont like single feeding or get a different mag option or have the barrel set back, dont let yourself fall victim and think there are no options. remington mag is only going to allow 2.8 and a stock rem is going to have a very long throat. i hear you on the bad engine in a good chassis, just remember in this life, sport hobby what ever shooting is to you, you are the engine. Good luck with the rifle and shooting, i'm not the most knowledgeable about guns but i only post or give advice when i KNOW it's solid advice because i've done it, not just because i read it somewhere, pm if you have any questions, if i cant answer it i wont bullshit you, i'll find the answer, i have a few close friends that are school trained smiths and avid shooters who live and breath shooting.

Rusty

 

[gixxerdims]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

hey rusty i appreciate your feedback along with everyone elses.

It seems clear to me that what i need to do is change the stock and go from there.
Previously i thought by 'floating' my stock i should still be able to get good groups with factory loads.

Ill try get some pics up of the groups i was hitting, also once i've changed the stock and other mods etc ill report back with pics of groups so if anyone else has this prob they know what works/doesnt work.
thanks again guys.
-dim

 

[Hook Creek]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

What are you using for a scope? mnts, base etc.

 

[gixxerdims]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

Bushnell elite 6500 4.5-30x50mm
Leupold rings n bases

 

[tylerw02]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

You guys crack me up, telling him its the stock! Obviously the other shooter shot it fine. Sounds like its mostly shooter error to me if he's shooting 3 MOA and mentions how much more recoil it has than the .22s he's used to.


To the OP:

My best advice is to get online training here on the Hide or have an experienced CF shooter show you the ropes. Even the rubber stock is capable of 1-1.5 MOA.

 

[The Real Morpheus]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

Gixxer,

Sorry for the late reply. Yes, I tried everything with that rifle. I even mounted it in a good HS precision stock. I could not get the rifle to shoot up to my standards with various bullet weights and powder charge combinations. The only way that rifle shot well was loading the bullet on the lands. Well, the OACL length was so long I could not cycle the following rounds with the action. As mentioned it made it a great single load gun that I didn't want. I made sure everything was tight, scope mounted properly. I had top end equipment on this gun....Ken Farrell base; night force titanium rings, night force scope. I shoot a lot and am fairly confident in my shooting. The rifle just didn't work for me. I know others who have got this particular flavor of rifle to shoot decent for them. Perhaps this was a bad one. Nonetheless, I purchased a Savage as mentioned and have been very pleased. My new Savage rifle shoots this well: I have a AAC 7.62 SD with the 51T mount and the POI shift is exactly 2" low at the six o'clock position at 100 yard. http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w352/morpheuscrna/photo.jpg

 

[TonyAngel]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

I and a few of the guys that I know got into SPS Tacticals in .308. Based on my experience with them, I'd say that the OP needs to get some more trigger time and some training on how to properly use a bipod.

Almost everyone on this thread has jumped to the conclusion that there is something wrong with the rifle. Again, just based on my experience with them, I'd have to say that there's nothing wrong with the way that a stock SPS shoots. All of the ones that I've shot would do sub MOA off of a bipod using the Hogue stock that came with the rifle.

Many that claim an improvement when going to a different stock are also swapping triggers, but seem to attribute the increase in accuracy to the stock, rather than the trigger.

A good trigger can make a night and day difference for someone that is less experienced.

I wouldn't worry about upgrading the rifle (except for the trigger)until something about the rifle is holding you back. I'd dump the money into ammo and shoot the rifle until you burn the barrel out.

Of course, if you can afford upgrading the rifle without tearing into your shooting budget, getting a better stock certainly makes shooting a nicer experience; but I seriously doubt that it's going to make a big difference in accuracy, if any difference at all.

When I upgraded my Hogue to an HSP, it felt more comfortable, but accuracy really didn't improve at all. What made the biggest difference in the performance of the rifle was the trigger.

 

[perkantino]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

How about some logical troubleshooting? It ll just cost you 6 rounds. Since it's a range, shouldn't be hard.
Find two other shooters, experienced if you can. Ask them to take 3 shots each. When that's done, report their groups back here. What did you get?????

3 minutes even on a non-floated barrel is too much!

 

[fenwick253]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CitizenArrest</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about some logical troubleshooting? It ll just cost you 6 rounds. Since it's a range, shouldn't be hard.
Find two other shooters, experienced if you can. Ask them to take 3 shots each. When that's done, report their groups back here. What did you get?????

3 minutes even on a non-floated barrel is too much! </div></div>

+1 since you are not too familiar with the .308 and it's recoil, you will benefit from somebody who shoots this cartridge regularly.

 

[Muttt]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

IT'S THE STOCK ..... just like the other 2000 people on here with SPS Tacticals (that had accuracy issues)... IT'S THE STOCK.

Don't waste your time and money buying other mounts and scope rings. It's the houge stock. You can't make a stock out of plastic and rubber and expect it to hold a barrel in place when you shoot. Escpecially when using a bipod.

Buy the B&C stock and it will solve the issue. Don't worry about being stuck with the stock. You'll be able to sell the stock long before you manage to seel the rifle. If you decide the rifle is crap. Keep the stock and you can use it on any short action rifle.

Find someone with a standard short action wooden stock. Ask them to borrow it. Try shooting that. I bet your problem will be solved.

 

[hewlett260]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

Ok like I said at the earlier stages of this thread, Shit-Can the stock and get something better. Next make sure everything is tight as said numerous times above, and then shoot the shit out of it and get good with it. Identify where you know you need improvement and work on it. Back to the rifle, IF you have tried all the things mentioned above and it still doesn't shoot and you are confident it's not you then you can either 1) sell it, get something better or 2) now you have the perfect base action to start a custom build.

Mine would not shoot with anything but 155 SMK's. On top of that, it wouldn't hold a group past 200m. This was still the case after upgrading to an AICS. Base/rings are the Nightforce Direct-mount, and the scope is the Leupold Mark 4 4.5-14. Because this thing still wouldn't shoot, I am getting a new barrel(Bartlein m40 taper) and because I like the 260 better, it's getting turned into a 260. Also adding the Huber 2-stage trigger to set it up similar to my AI AW 260.

Bottom line, if you aren't happy with what you have, either get rid of it or change it til it works for you. The Hogue stock no matter how many people want to disagree is a piece of shit. You can waist your time trying to mess with it, but a polished turd is still a turd. The X-Mark trigger isn't bad for its intended purpose, mine served me well, but I like 2-stage triggers better. Even if you don't like what the factory put out, the action alone is perfect for building a custom on, so work with it until you figure out what route you are going to take.

 

[jwp6114]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

Hewlett260

couldn't agree more

 

[Oham1]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

I might have gotten a blessed AAC-SD.

 

[Dreadin]

Re: 700 SPS Tactical .308 ACCURACY ISSUES

I just finished a Remington 700 SPS tactical build in .308, while the stock does leave something to be desired it doesn't account for what the OP is concerned about. Check to make sure everything is tight, use a good match ammo and have someone you know is capable of shooting sub MOA shoot it and see if shoots sub MOA. I had no issues with mine doing it, and my decision to go with this build was based on reviews from many that all where able to shoot sub MOA's with it. Even with the stock ( turd as some would say )it comes with.

 

[Alaska]

My SPS Tactical 308 Win 1:12 20”
First thing I did after purchase replaced the stock with a HS Precision stock.
2nd Replaced Trigger with Timney Trigger
3rd Installed Warne Mountain Tech Rail and Rings with Leupold 3.5x10
4th Installed B24 Cheek Rest
5th Installed HS Precision Detachable Magazine
6th Installed Seekins 2” Bipod Rail
7th Installed KRG Bolt Knob
Now I have a good rifle really likes 168MK and 168gr Berger Classic Hunter with CFE 223.

 

[fdkay]

My SPS Tactical 308 Win 1:12 20”
First thing I did after purchase replaced the stock with a HS Precision stock.
2nd Replaced Trigger with Timney Trigger
3rd Installed Warne Mountain Tech Rail and Rings with Leupold 3.5x10
4th Installed B24 Cheek Rest
5th Installed HS Precision Detachable Magazine
6th Installed Seekins 2” Bipod Rail
7th Installed KRG Bolt Knob
Now I have a good rifle really likes 168MK and 168gr Berger Classic Hunter with CFE 223.

Holy thread resurrection.
7+ years. Nice.

 

[JakeM]

Um... dude I hope he figured out the problem by now

 

[Steel head]

 

[Ds91]

Thats got to be close to a record

 

[Steel head]

Thats got to be close to a record

its certainly up there.
I think I trolled a ten year necro about two weeks ago.

 

[Jonthebennett]

Did you ever find out what the problem was? I have the same issue with mine. I bought it and had it put in an AICS 2.0 stock. I took it to the range and for a quick zero. 1MOA nothing fancy. I was in a rush because I was shooting a comp later that day. I made it to the comp and shot one stage before it fell apart. Since that day I haven’t been able to get it to stay consistently below 1.5-2 MOA. I have a 1:10 twist and have tried every grain From 168-220gr and it doesn't seem to make a difference.

 

[TurdFerguson]

its certainly up there.
I think I trolled a ten year necro about two weeks ago.

I almost posted in this thread a few weeks ago. I hit the next page button and it took me all the way to the last page. Luckily for sheer incompetence I forgot the hit submit. Thanks to denial, I am also immortal.