700P or 5R

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If you are given a chance to buy one of these, which one would you get? And, why?

I am looking for technical superiority and retaining value after I buy it.

The 700P seems to have nice factory installed bedding, almost like a custom gun. But, the 5R has SS barrel with a 11.25" twist rate.

Does anyone know if the 5R has custom bedding? Does the stock have pillars?


Share your thots, please.
Thanks

 
Re: 700P or 5R

I struggled with this very question for a while and finally made the choice to buy the 5R.

FYI, the 700P is not bedded, it does, however, feature a very decent HS precision stock with the full length aluminum bedding block.

The stock on the 5R is nearly identical, though a couple of inches shorter and the palm swell is not quite as pronounced. It has an identical aluminum bedding block.

What is a 700P? Well, for starters it is about 870 bucks.
It is also nothing more than a stock, SPS varmint rifle in that HS precision stock.
26" 1 - 12" twist varmint weight barrel
X mark pro trigger
usually capable of very good accuracy
Parkerized finish

Many folks really like the stock, many don't care for it.

What is an SPS varmint?
26" 1 - 12" twist varmint weight barrel
x mark pro trigger
usually capable of very good accuracy
Matte Blue finish

No one likes the stock, but the rifle only costs 540 bucks.
You can replace it with one of the very good B&C stocks for about 225 for a total cost of about 765, a substantial savings.

What is a 5R?
24" stainless steel 1 - 11.25" twist barrel with 5R rifling
X mark pro trigger
usually capable of very good accuracy
bead blasted matte stainless finish
Stainless steel action

Basically the same HS precision stock.

Why did I buy the 5R instead of the varmint or 700P?
Since cost was only slightly higher, the benefit of the shorter barrel and the slightly fster twist rate, plus the excellent results that remington gets with their 5R barrels made the decision for me.

I considered the SPS tactical ( 1-12version) as they have a very good reputation for accuracy.
I WANTED an AAC-SD version, but I could find no seriously written, comprehensive reviews. In addition the SPS rifles have a less than stellar reputation of difficulty feeding from the magazine.

I will say this, I have an SPS tactical in .223, the relatively new 5R and a mid-90's sendero. The concave recessed crown on the sendero is very nicely done. The crowns on both the SPS and the 5R are are rather poorly done.

The 5R does shoot VERY wel though.

I doubt that you would go wrong with either choice, however, I thought that the fact the the 5R is a limited run, flagship type model with the benefits of the slightly faster twist, shorter barrel, stainless construction and 5R rifling were well worth the extra 130 bucks.

I did NOT feel that the addition of the HS stock and the different finish of the 700P warranted the significantly higher cost over the base model.
 
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I just faced this question recently. I went 5r for a few reasons.
1. I wanted 24in barrel over 26
2. Slightly tighter twist (figured couldn't hurt)
3. Not an everyday production rifle. Most shops can get the P where I live but don't even know what the 5r is (also not even on remington's site).
4. I prefer the SS look.
If you buy the 5r now you can get the 10th ann. edition(it just says it on the barrel is all). I have heard nothing but good things for both and after a ton of research I went 5r on personal preference; I truely believe you will be happy with eather.
 
Re: 700P or 5R

I was also facing the same decision a few months ago. I ended up going with the 5R. My decision was based on stainless being a little lower maintenance, and the 5R rifling.

I installed a Timney trigger and Williams bottom metal, for a total of just under $1400. Still a pretty good deal for a solid, reliable, accurate rifle.


 
Re: 700P or 5R

Been working on my 5R for over a year now,some of the mods I did That helped the guns accuracy:Recrown,glass bed,triggerjob to 2.5#s,& added a badger knob on the bolt handle,all done by RobertHart. I liked the HS stock but it was to light,making the rifle front heavy so I first added marine tex for a solid non skid grip on the forarm & surrounding trigger area.Then I knocked off the recoil pad as they are glued on & replaced it with a SVL recoil pad.While I had the pad off I filled the 2"x2.5"x 6" deep gap with chaulking that I rolled #8 bird shot in & stuffed it in the void ,added approx 9 ounces.

Put a Karstan check weld on & did a camo job Using 8 coats of crano.& 5 coats of satin non shine finishing spray.

I think I took a very good tube & made it into a great rifle.I'ts topped off with a Badger picatinney rail using Badger rings.Just love this rifle.

I do own a Rem 700 Police in .223 but it doesn't hold a candle to the 5R for both feel & accuracy!
 
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Thanks, guys, for all your feedbacks and willingness to share your experiences. I enjoyed reading them.

Can someone confirm that the 700P is currently shipping with the 40X trigger rather than the X-Mark Pro? I understand that they used the X-Mark for a short while but switched it back to the 40X because LEO complained. But, I guess, a trigger is only about $100+.
 
Re: 700P or 5R

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-stainless.aspx


I happened to notice that the SPS SS has quite interesting specs:
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*]twist rate of the SPS SS for the 308 Win is 10" --- that's faster twist rate than the M24/5R [*]24" heavy contoured barrel[*]416 steel barrel action[/list]

Questions:
Anyone know if the factory stock has pillar support?
What's the bedding like?
 
Re: 700P or 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Art Y.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-stainless.aspx


I happened to notice that the SPS SS has quite interesting specs:
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*]twist rate of the SPS SS for the 308 Win is 10" --- that's faster twist rate than the M24/5R [*]24" heavy contoured barrel[*]416 steel barrel action[/list]

Questions:
Anyone know if the factory stock has pillar support?
What's the bedding like?
</div></div>
It is not a heavy contoured barrel.
 
Re: 700P or 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Art Y.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-stainless.aspx


I happened to notice that the SPS SS has quite interesting specs:
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*]twist rate of the SPS SS for the 308 Win is 10" --- that's faster twist rate than the M24/5R [*]24" heavy contoured barrel[*]416 steel barrel action[/list]

Questions:
Anyone know if the factory stock has pillar support?
What's the bedding like?
</div></div>
It is not a heavy contoured barrel. </div></div>

A hunting barrel, and the synthetic stock is a cheapie. Material wise, it's probably closely related to your garbage can with molded-in runners for bedding.
 
Re: 700P or 5R

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I had 02 Remington Police rifles.

And shot 3 Remington 5R SS Varmint.

All very decent accurate for factory rifle (around 0,75 MOA for AVERAGE for 5 shots at 100 yards).
But, all Rem SS Varm 5R rifles were a little bit more accurate than the Polices.

I prefer the Police stock over the 5R Varm, but they are very similar and made by the same manufacturer: HS Precision.

I wanted a "black" rifle and had not access to any decent gunsmith that could aply cerakote on the inox 5R, so I went with the Police.

All 5R barrels cleaned very, very easy and cooper fouled way less than the chrome moly Police rifles.

Today, I would go definately with the Rem Varm SS 5R. They tend to me more accurate, barrel clean easy and cooper foul less and it tends to shoot the 175gr. bullets better than the Police due to the 11.25twist.
If I wanted it black, I would have it cerakoted graphite black.



PS - All my 2 Remington Polices started to shoot good only after about 100 to 150 rounds down the tube. The 5R shots weel from the begining.
 
Re: 700P or 5R

It really depends on what you want to do with it. I don't think there's anything better about the 5R rifling, but its definitely a more desirable twist rate.

The stocks are of similar design, but slightly shaped differently. I personally don't like either stock that much.

If it were me, I'd determine which stock I liked and choose based on that.

If I didn't like either, I'd buy an SPS Varmint and buy the after-market stock I most prefer.

As you shoot the rifle for some time, if it meets your needs then keep it as is. If not, you can always rebarrel to whatever meets your needs best. I've found a person can have a SPS bbl set-back and rechambered with a match reamer and finished off at 20" with a nice recessed target crown and end up with a great shooting gun for minimal cost.
 
Re: 700P or 5R

Faced with the same decision 1.5 yrs ago, I bought the 5r and found that the stock and the trigger had to go after about 500 rounds. The trigger came from the factory at 12 lbs and I had a friend adjust it down but the best he could get was a creepy 5 lbs. I could never get comfortable behind the stock. I dropped in a Timney and bolted it to an AICS 1.5 and I found I was much better at being consistent. I recently upgraded to BO base, rings, and brake and the gun is now consistently shooting one hole at 100. The beefy brake affected/improved (I think) the harmonics of the barrel and I went from shooting .6-.8 sized groups to .2-.4 sized groups... YMMV.

I don't care what the resale value of my 5r is now, I'm not selling it ever.
 
Re: 700P or 5R

Does anyone know what the barrel diameter is at the muzzle of the R5, the 700P, and the 700 VLS varmint? Also the link http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/97499 did not have the twist rate of that barrel unless I missed it. I've got some FGMM 168gr BTHP and I was thinking the 1-12" twist would be better. Opinions? Have been considering the 5R or the 700P but the 700 VLS varmint could be an option as well.
 
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Also interesting to note is that the
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*]700 SPS Tactical: <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #000099">twist rate 1-12"</span></span> with 20" barrel (http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-tactical.aspx)[*]700 SPS Tactical threaded barrel: <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #000099">twist rate 10"</span></span> with 20" barrel (http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-tactical-aac-sd.aspx)[/list]
 
Re: 700P or 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Art Y.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also interesting to note is that the
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*]700 SPS Tactical: <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #000099">twist rate 1-12"</span></span> with 20" barrel (http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-tactical.aspx)[*]700 SPS Tactical threaded barrel: <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #000099">twist rate 10"</span></span> with 20" barrel (http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-tactical-aac-sd.aspx)[/list] </div></div>

I find it interesting that the AAC-SD hasn't gotten much love in this thread. It seems to be all the rage right now and with its desirable feature set it'll probably retain its value well. As to 5R vs 700p, I have a used 700p because I got it for a great price. If I was buying again today with a budget that allowed for a 5R I think I'd probably still go with the 700p and invest the cost difference in ammo. I don't dispute that the 5R is a more desirable rifle, but I'd rather have almost as good and 200 more rounds downrange.
 
Re: 700P or 5R

When shopping for a 700 here what you need to put on your list to decide:

1) Stainless or non-stainless action and barrel.
2) Barrel weight.
3) Twist rate.
4) Final stock.
5) Barrel length.

If you want a stainless barrel:
Heavy barel:
- Sendaro = 24"(?) ? replace stock if desired
- 5R = 24" 1:11.25 replace stock if desired
- SPS-Varm SS (Cabelas exclusive) = 26" 1:12(?) replacement stock required.
Thin barrel
- SPS SS = 24" 1:10 replace the stock.

If you want a non-stainless barrel:
Heavy barrel - SPS-Varm = 26" 1:12 replace the stock
- SPS-T = 20" 1:10 replace the stock
- SPS-T AAC:SD = 20" 1:10 replace the stock (threaded barrel)
Thin barrel - SPS = 24" 1:10 replace the stock
- ADL = 24"(?) ? replace the stock

TL;DR
All the actions are the same, save the material. Differences are the barrel attached and the stock. Most stocks are throw aways anyways, so save money and buy the cheapest action you can find with the barrel you want and replace the stock.
 
Re: 700P or 5R

Does anyone know what the order # is on the latest batch of 5-R's is? I've read an article dated 2007 I believe and it said the order # was 29662. I have seen some pics of boxes with 29663 and was wondering what year this might be from.
 
Re: 700P or 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DPRoberts</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't dispute that the 5R is a more desirable rifle, but I'd rather have almost as good and 200 more rounds downrange.
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Really? The rifle will last a lifetime all things considered. Two hundred rounds is maybe four or five trips to the range at best!
 
Re: 700P or 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: a1shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know what the order # is on the latest batch of 5-R's is? I've read an article dated 2007 I believe and it said the order # was 29662. I have seen some pics of boxes with 29663 and was wondering what year this might be from. </div></div>

I just bought a 10th Anniversary 5-R about 3 weeks ago and the order # on my box is 29663. My dealer only had it in stock for a few weeks before I took it off his hands, not sure how much that helps but hey I tried...
 
Re: 700P or 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: a1shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All of the 5-Rs are going thru gunbroker ($999 & up) without getting a bid. But then again so are all the 700Ps and everything else on my watch list. </div></div>

I wonder why ... so higher end R700's do not hold their values then?
Where else do people unload their resale rifles in the market besides GunBroker.com? I know eBay does not allow firearms.
 
Re: 700P or 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Art Y.</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: a1shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All of the 5-Rs are going thru gunbroker ($999 & up) without getting a bid. But then again so are all the 700Ps and everything else on my watch list. </div></div>

I wonder why ... so higher end R700's do not hold their values then?
Where else do people unload their resale rifles in the market besides GunBroker.com? I know eBay does not allow firearms.

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Those are new in box guns. The used 700 adl, bdl are 7mm mag, .300wm, 30-06, .308, etc. are not getting any bids either. I had put about 80 items, mostly guns but a few other items and only about 16 items even had a bid. Economy + asking price for them I guess.
 
Re: 700P or 5R

I've been going through the same decision process (5R vs. 700P) for a while now and think that I'll be going with the 700P. I like the stainless barrel and action of the 5R but like the added velocity (about 100 fps.) of the 26in. 700P. That extra velocity will come in handy on long distance targets. Cleaning may be easier with the 5R but a good solvent and a couple extra passes of the bore brush will keep the 700P clean. I honestly don't think you or me could go wrong with either rifle and really wish Remington made the 5R in a 26in. barrel, then it would be an easy decision. I also like the $100-$150 dollar difference in price. I think both rifles have the same accuracy potential but the faster twist rate of the 5R is nice.
 
Re: 700P or 5R

Also...

I'd take accuracy and easy cleaning over negligible increase in velocity any day. 30fps isn't goin to make a difference unless you are a real competition shooter. And in that case, a competion that is, a 700P is not the right choice anyway. That would be like racing a Lamborghini with a pinto. Seriously.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango__Down</div><div class="ubbcode-body">100fps for 2 more inches of barrel? Really????

You will be lucky to get another 30fps in a 700p vs. 24" 5R</div></div>
This. You'll never see 100fps difference.

http://www.snipercentral.com/matchammo.htm
Two different guns, 15 different ammos, 20 shots each, one's a 22" the other's a 26". Grand total of 0.1 FPS difference in average velocity across everything. You're not going to get 100fps out of 2".
 
Re: 700P or 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kalman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango__Down</div><div class="ubbcode-body">100fps for 2 more inches of barrel? Really????

You will be lucky to get another 30fps in a 700p vs. 24" 5R</div></div>
This. You'll never see 100fps difference.

http://www.snipercentral.com/matchammo.htm
Two different guns, 15 different ammos, 20 shots each, one's a 22" the other's a 26". Grand total of 0.1 FPS difference in average velocity across everything. You're not going to get 100fps out of 2".
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Now if we could just get someone to do this same test with the 5-R and the 700P and then repeat it with the 700P and another (model 700) rifle with the same # of land/grooves, same twist, as the 700P but with the only difference being 24" vs 26" barrels we would have some good comparisans.
 
Re: 700P or 5R

Both are good shooting guns. I chose the 5R, wanted 24" barrel length. But so far out of 155gr scenar handloads, 175gr Berger BT LRs, and black hills 168SMKs it's shot all sub-MOA. I couldn't ask for more. I also prefer the 11.25 twist in the 5R over the 1 in 12 in the 700p
 
Re: 700P or 5R

If we compare these two rifles in the .300 win mag- with both having 1:10 twist and 26" barrels- Am I to assume that the 5R is still the more desirable of the two??? Just curious.

Also between the two 5R offerings in .308- do you think there is any advantage or other reason 1 might be the better choice?
 
Re: 700P or 5R

I believe that the best part about the "P", is the stock, while the main selling point of the 5r is the barrel. other than the "p" is parkerized vs. blued like most other rem actions the 700p is basically a "stock" rifle. but on the other hand the 5r has the "special" barrel and also comes with a HSP stock the price is reflected. Mel over at sniper central did a review of the 5R here: http://www.snipercentral.com/milspec5r.phtml
 
Re: 700P or 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kalman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When shopping for a 700 here what you need to put on your list to decide:

1) Stainless or non-stainless action and barrel.
2) Barrel weight.
3) Twist rate.
4) Final stock.
5) Barrel length.

If you want a stainless barrel:
Heavy barel:
- Sendaro = 24"(?) ? replace stock if desired
- 5R = 24" 1:11.25 replace stock if desired
- SPS-Varm SS (Cabelas exclusive) = 26" 1:12(?) replacement stock required.
Thin barrel
- SPS SS = 24" 1:10 replace the stock.

If you want a non-stainless barrel:
Heavy barrel - SPS-Varm = 26" 1:12 replace the stock
- SPS-T = 20" 1:10 replace the stock
- SPS-T AAC:SD = 20" 1:10 replace the stock (threaded barrel)
Thin barrel - SPS = 24" 1:10 replace the stock
- ADL = 24"(?) ? replace the stock

TL;DR
All the actions are the same, save the material. Differences are the barrel attached and the stock. Most stocks are throw aways anyways, so save money and buy the cheapest action you can find with the barrel you want and replace the stock.
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Why leave the XCR and XCR Compact Tactical off the list of stainless guns?

The XCR Compact Tactical:
20" "varmint contour" fluted barrel
40-X trigger
Stainless steel
Ionbond finish
HS Prescision stock (not B&C as many people mistakenly think)

XCR:
Same except for longer barrel and different stock

They are pricier than the other models I suppose, but Ionbond (Remington has their own name for it) is the best finish offered on Remingtons by a large margin.
 
Re: 700P or 5R

I own a 700p and it has been very good to me. I have shot the 5r and it is a much better shooting rifle. My 700p only likes one ammo/load the rest are not good at all but will shoot sub moa with $30 a box ammo. The 5r will shoot sub moa with factory remington cor-locs which is very cheap ammo and gets better when you feed it better ammo. So this being said the choice is clear because I don't buy a rifle because it looks cool I buy the thing to shoot multiple rounds into a tiny hole and be repeatable. As for the stocks they are both hs precision and have a aluminum bedding block. This is better that most factory stocks but this is not custom bedded. having the hs stocks bedded would still be required in my opinion. Hope this will help.