7mm SAW vs 6.5 & 300 PRC

[kevinsachs]

If your running a stock Rem 700 short action chances are the feed ramp needs to be notched. You will also need a Accurate 300wsm or Alpha type 4 300wsm mags. The other option is run a Wyatts box.

Would a Stiller TAC30 AW action be a better route for a PRC build then possibly?

 

[fdkay]

7mm PRC with decent factory load and brass options would be great. I think the 7mm SAUM will never be very popular due to lack of those things.

Already exists, and has existed for quite a while. Hornady has been making brass for it for several years.
It's called the 7mmLRM.

 

[DAVETOOLEY]

Ummm
7-08 Imp I've been hunting with one for 20 years. Great SA round 120's @3100 out of a 20" barrel. I don't compete in PSR but I don't think I would want the extra recoil of shooting heavies.
6.5 PRC It fills a niche. Not for me. If I wanted that kind of performance I would do something on a long action. Not glamorous but the 6.5-06 is the lazy way to get there. 6.5-284 throated out also works well on a long action.
300 PRC I've been competing(1K BR) and hunting with that rounds for 11 years now. A step up from the WM . If you need the increase in performance or starting with a clean slate.

 

[kevinsachs]

Already exists, and has existed for quite a while. Hornady has been making brass for it for several years.
It's called the 7mmLRM.

7mm LRM (Long Action) and 7mm PRC (Short Action) would not be the same.

 

[BCX]

Would a Stiller TAC30 AW action be a better route for a PRC build then possibly?

I can't comment on Stiller. It runs fine from my Surgeon 591 WSM action w Accurate and Alpha WSM mags.

 

[BCX]

Ummm
7-08 Imp I've been hunting with one for 20 years. Great SA round 120's @3100 out of a 20" barrel. I don't compete in PSR but I don't think I would want the extra recoil of shooting heavies.
6.5 PRC It fills a niche. Not for me. If I wanted that kind of performance I would do something on a long action. Not glamorous but the 6.5-06 is the lazy way to get there. 6.5-284 throated out also works well on a long action.
300 PRC I've been competing(1K BR) and hunting with that rounds for 11 years now. A step up from the WM . If you need the increase in performance or starting with a clean slate.

Dave, will the 300 PRC need to be ran from a CIP length mag w Hornady factory ammo?

 

[fdkay]

7mm LRM (Long Action) and 7mm PRC (Short Action) would not be the same.

The 7mm LRM is actually a bit shorter than the .300 PRC. They are both LA cartridges.

 

[kevinsachs]

The 7mm LRM is actually a bit shorter than the .300 PRC. They are both LA cartridges.

My assumption was that the 300/6.5 PRC were the same but not according to the specs I saw. I was looking at the 6.5 PRC. So is the LRM and 300 PRC long action? and the 6.5 PRC short action?
7 LRM - COAL 2.514"
6.5 PRC COAL 2.030"
300 PRC - COAL 2.580"

 

[b6graham]

My assumption was that the 300/6.5 PRC were the same but not according to the specs I saw. I was looking at the 6.5 PRC. So is the LRM and 300 PRC long action? and the 6.5 PRC short action?
7 LRM - COAL 2.514"
6.5 PRC COAL 2.030"
300 PRC - COAL 2.580"

Yes 6.5 PRC short, 300 PRC long

there's no 7 PRC yet so we dont know what it may or may not be, but i think there would be a lot of people who want it as a factory option to replace the 7 SAUM

 

[fdkay]

My assumption was that the 300/6.5 PRC were the same but not according to the specs I saw. I was looking at the 6.5 PRC. So is the LRM and 300 PRC long action? and the 6.5 PRC short action?
7 LRM - COAL 2.514"
6.5 PRC COAL 2.030"
300 PRC - COAL 2.580"

Don't let the numbers confuse you.
Those lengths are the case length not the COAL.
The COAL includes a seated bullet.
But yes, the 6.5 is, ostensibly a short action cartridges, it is, more or less, a SAAMI version of the 6.5 short action magnum.
The 7 and .300 are long action cartridges.

 

[DAVETOOLEY]

Dave, will the 300 PRC need to be ran from a CIP length mag w Hornady factory ammo?

I don't have any of their factory ammo so I can't answer that.
The SAAMI specs are COAl 3.575"min -3.700" max.
I do have two reamers. SAAMI spec and one with a slightly shorter throat for special occasions.

If I was starting from scratch I would go with CIP length mags every time.

 

[BCX]

I don't have any of their factory ammo so I can't answer that.
The SAAMI specs are COAl 3.575"min -3.700" max.
I do have two reamers. SAAMI spec and one with a slightly shorter throat for special occasions.

If I was starting from scratch I would go with CIP length mags every time.

FYI Nick338 just spoke w Hornady on the matter. I believe he posted the info on the 300 PRC thread.

 

[nick338]

You basically have to start from scratch if you want to run Hornady factory match ammo unless you have an action that accepts CIP mags because it's loaded to 3.685. And I'm guessing that's where the accuracy will be as well if you're hand loading or Hornady wouldn't have seated it out so far to begin with.

 

[IHFarmer07]

True, but it's not that much of a difference.. With a proper brake you aren't at a huge disadvantage.

Everything here is a game of pro's and con's. Show me your application and I can show you a cartridge to fit it.

PRS- 6mm is gonna be the best option. 6.5 right behind it.

Hunting- 7mm with 6.5 behind it.

For a do all cartridge, I believe 7mm-08 Ackley or saw are the best options. Great barrel life, BCs, sectional density, wind bucking and terminal ballistics. The 6.5 has less recoil but that's about it. Don't get me wrong, it still has plenty for even large game at long range, but not as much as the 7mms. Pick your poison and shoot the shit outta it.

Yes a proper brake would be awesome but also loud....I know the terminator brakes are supposed to be good for not blasting the hell out of the shooter...do you know of any others that don’t blast the shooter?

Thing is though a person can get ammo from stores with 6.5prc, that’s why I’m going after it, those others are wildcats and I’m not set up yet for reloading. The way I see it if I don’t like the caliber when I do reload, with me using prefit barrels I can change calibers in short time. Thank you

 

[IHFarmer07]

I know Sako and Tikka quality is top notch. If I remember correctly from the FB forum, guys have to use the Tikka LA if your running Tikka mags. Reach out to a smith or two. I think Crescent ?Customs, GAP, SAC, WTO , LRI can answer your questions. If I’m forgetting anyone sorry in advance hahaha!!

Ok I will try and call some off these guys and pick their brains on the tikka action and such. The reason I think tikka is a “do all” action is because all actions are long....they just have a different bolt release that allows the bolt to either not come back the full amount and to come back the full length of travel. Btw what does SAC, WTO, LRI acronyms stand for or can I just google those and those places will come up?
No problem at all!!!

 

[IHFarmer07]

Already exists, and has existed for quite a while. Hornady has been making brass for it for several years.
It's called the 7mmLRM.

But can you buy that off a store shelf? That’s why the 6.5 creed is so popular and that’s why whatever Hornady comes up with that does make things easier to buy in stores that perform very good to the point of people not having to reload to get reloaded performance out of factory ammo a hot commodity.
I think if Hornady keeps it up they will have a whole line up of caliber choices that fixes out dated ones like the nonexistent brass for some of these calibers out there, bad designs of others and wildcat cartridges to the point an everyday hunter/shooter can enjoy the plentifulness and fair priced ammo anywhere.

 

[Sticks]

I hope that 6.5 PRC ammo drops. $1.63 delivered is a little pricey. I can reload for $.57 presuming I have a brass stockpile (which I now have 600).

 

[BCX]

Ok I will try and call some off these guys and pick their brains on the tikka action and such. The reason I think tikka is a “do all” action is because all actions are long....they just have a different bolt release that allows the bolt to either not come back the full amount and to come back the full length of travel. Btw what does SAC, WTO, LRI acronyms stand for or can I just google those and those places will come up?
No problem at all!!!

Short Action Customs, West Texas Ordnance, LongRifles Inc and i believe most are members here!

 

[IHFarmer07]

I hope that 6.5 PRC ammo drops. $1.63 delivered is a little pricey. I can reload for $.57 presuming I have a brass stockpile (which I now have 600).

Yes it is, but when you think about it though it’s a lot cheaper than when the SAUM factory ammo was available, it’s pretty new yet and there is a big following that is snatching the ammo up right now I’m sure.

 

[fdkay]

But can you buy that off a store shelf? That’s why the 6.5 creed is so popular and that’s why whatever Hornady comes up with that does make things easier to buy in stores that perform very good to the point of people not having to reload to get reloaded performance out of factory ammo a hot commodity.
I think if Hornady keeps it up they will have a whole line up of caliber choices that fixes out dated ones like the nonexistent brass for some of these calibers out there, bad designs of others and wildcat cartridges to the point an everyday hunter/shooter can enjoy the plentifulness and fair priced ammo anywhere.

That's not the point, the point was, it already exists, brass is being made by a major manufacturer. The only thing stopping me from building one is the fact that the only brass available is Hornady.
While you THINK 6.5 PRC is available in stores, that may not actually be the case, dependant on where you are hunting.
It's not available where I live (yet) and may never be, since demand drives whether it is stocked on the local shelves or not.

I'm a big fan of the 7x57 mauser, it is THE original modern cartridge and has been around since 1892, it is one of the greatest hunting cartridges ever made. Finding quality ammo on the shelves anywhere in the US is practically impossible, you have to go to a specialty store to find good, European ammo loaded to CIP standards.

 

[IHFarmer07]

That's not the point, the point was, it already exists, brass is being made by a major manufacturer. The only thing stopping me from building one is the fact that the only brass available is Hornady.
While you THINK 6.5 PRC is available in stores, that may not actually be the case, dependant on where you are hunting.
It's not available where I live (yet) and may never be, since demand drives whether it is stocked on the local shelves or not.

I'm a big fan of the 7x57 mauser, it is THE original modern cartridge and has been around since 1892, it is one of the greatest hunting cartridges ever made. Finding quality ammo on the shelves anywhere in the US is practically impossible, you have to go to a specialty store to find good, European ammo loaded to CIP standards.

Ya I know what the point was that it already exists.....I have not seen any factory rifles chambered in the 7lrm. I have heard of this chambering and I really thought hard on getting it but with no reloading data in my newest edition books that tells me it’s not standardized and it’s still a wild cat in a sense, thats all I was saying.
I hope it does get standardized and marketed like the 6.5 creed, prc, 300prc.
Those Germans though....brilliant people!!

 

[fdkay]

Ya I know what the point was that it already exists.....I have not seen any factory rifles chambered in the 7lrm. I have heard of this chambering and I really thought hard on getting it but with no reloading data in my newest edition books that tells me it’s not standardized and it’s still a wild cat in a sense, thats all I was saying.
I hope it does get standardized and marketed like the 6.5 creed, prc, 300prc.
Those Germans though....brilliant people!!

True.
Gunwerks sells rifles, but they are custom.
It would be nice to see the cartridge standardized.
As far as short actions goes, both the WSM and SAUM were very good cartridges, there just isn't enough interest, other than niche specialty, to keep them going.

 

[RogueTanker]

Yes a proper brake would be awesome but also loud....I know the terminator brakes are supposed to be good for not blasting the hell out of the shooter...do you know of any others that don’t blast the shooter?

Thing is though a person can get ammo from stores with 6.5prc, that’s why I’m going after it, those others are wildcats and I’m not set up yet for reloading. The way I see it if I don’t like the caliber when I do reload, with me using prefit barrels I can change calibers in short time. Thank you

Fair enough. I exclusively reload which is why I don't mind the 7mm-08 AI. But if you don't then there are better calibers.

For a brake, check out area 419. They have some of the best.