Got a 21" 1-7" .223 barrel coming for a the Tikka. The idea is to shoot 88 eld-m. Interested to hear from those who have done this, to see what the optimum powder is. I'm thinking H4895 might be pretty great, but I've also got RL15, Varget, N140, N150, 540, 8208, and a few others.
88 eld-m in .223 bolt gun
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I had pretty good results with Staball Match for the 88’s in 223 wylde 8T for a temp stable option. AA2520 matched the Staball for speed, but isn’t temp stable. Best speed and SD was with Lever. My Barrel is 26” though.
I would like to give N540 a try.
I use N540, although I found the 80's have the best ballistics for the cartridge - just not enough boiler room to get the 85.5's or 88's to outperform in a 223. Mine is 26".
I'm choosing the 88 because it's a pile driver when it comes to killing critters like white tails. It's definitly on the big and slow side of the ballistic equation, but it makes the .223 punch way above it's weight.
I shoot cfe223 and have great results. Get hits out to 1000 at matches with it. People can’t believe it’s a 223. My chamber has a long freebore so the 88’s are loaded long. I had to modify my accurate mags so the bullets would fit. Can’t run tac worh 88’s in prs but I don’t care. I just use it for 1 day matches and run in open. I actually won a regional prs match with it last year, match had about 30 shooters.
I wish they'd shoot in my criteria barrel, I worked up to 24.5 grains N140 without pressure using starline 5.56 brass, velocity was 2835 with an SD of 7
The 88 ELD-M is what I shoot in my 223. A vicious 1 and 7 twist was purchased from Northland Shooters Supply. Their VLD chamber was suggested for heavier rounds. It worked perfectly and enabled the bullets to be sufficiently seated out to avoid interfering with the powder's capacity.
Berger 85's would like to differ.
Maybe. Just maybe. It has something to do with a manufacturer that ships bullets with plastic tips falling out inside the box.
Here’s a buddy’s kid’s 5x5
My favorite 5x5
My second favorite 5x5 (and a great story)
My Dad’s best 5x5
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That's a weak deflect.
75 ELDMs are one of the biggest disappointments of a bullet that could be badass if it delivers, and never has. It also is a bullet that proves why Berger just makes a superior bullet to Hornady.
And this thread and your claim is a great example of why statements like "....does everything I need" is a very subjective statement more so than a testimony of performance.... because what is your standard for performance? What do you need? Sub-3/8" consistent performance? Or a few dec groups during your random local range, 100yd , concrete shooting bench, target plinking, excel sheet making, Typers Hide posting needs?
BLUF, if you want a good precision bolt gun 223 bullet the 80gr SMK, Berger 85, or even the Hornady 75gr and 77 SMK would be my go-to's. I wish the 75's and 88's ELDMs delivered. I would've saved a bunch of money. But IME, not the case.
At the risk of a Captain Obvious moment, no shit it’s a subjective statement. I said “I need,” and “I” is in the definition of subjective.
Here, I’ll help you with the definition.
1. : of, relating to, or being a subject. 2. : of, relating to, or arising within one's self or mind : personal. a subjective point of view.
Right? You with me so far?
Now, if I had said the 75 ELDM does everything ANYONE needs, your post wouldn’t be quite so stupid.
Because I would be projecting my personal, subjective point of view (see the definition above if you’re unclear) upon others.
Which would be unfair. Improper, even.
But I didn’t do that, did I?
As far as my usage, I don’t shoot much past 600 yards, all of it from field positions. Prone, sometimes sitting with a tripod, but mostly prone. But I shoot regularly to 600 yards.
Wind is a bitch. I’d be a much better shot if I had more skill doping the wind.
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See above
And for the record, you started it with the "it must be you" comment. I'm just making you pay for that.You wake'end the cock-bag kraken. Now you get to deal with it
If anyone gets paid, it should be the person teaching you to read.
I looked at my post several times. Heck, I even quoted it. For the life of me I didn’t see the words “must be you” anywhere.
I saw “maybe” twice.
Let’s review the definition of maybe, since it appears that’s what is giving you trouble.
possibly but not certainly : perhaps
◊ Maybe is a more informal word than perhaps. It is used when you are talking about an action that has a chance of happening in the future.
Maybe we'll meet again.
“Will you go to the party?” “I don't know. Maybe.”
“Will you go?” “Maybe, maybe not.”
[+] more examples
It is also used to suggest something that is possibly correct, true, or proper.
Maybe we should just stay here and wait.
Maybe it would be better if you left.
There were maybe 10,000 fans at the game.
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And maybe can be used to say that one thing is true but that something else is also true.
Maybe at first I didn't like her, but now she's one of my best friends.
Maybe he's slow [=he may be slow], but he does very good work.
Her accomplishments are impressive, maybe, but she's had a lot of help.
Are we clear on maybe?
Good!
Do we see the difference between maybe and must? Do they mean the same thing?
No?
Very good!
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Bitch ass hair splitting. You know what you inferred. The nerd grammar approach isn't flattering. And it's not genuine. It's back peddling. Own it and follow through or don't make such comments. Especially if you don't like the results.
You assume.
Inappropriately.
You don’t know me yet you ascribe motivations as if you do.
You are wrong.
It’s that simple.
The difference between us is I’m not making statements about you and you’re making statements about me.
When you find yourself in a hole, quit digging.
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Inappropriately.
You don’t know me yet you ascribe motivations as if you do.
You are wrong.
It’s that simple.
The difference between us is I’m not making statements about you and you’re making statements about me.
When you find yourself in a hole, quit digging.
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And it ain’t hair splitting to acknowledge the difference between it must be you and maybe it’s you.
Your statement is consistent in my experience with a very insecure person.
Insecurity often manifests as perceived insult when no such insult occurred.
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Your statement is consistent in my experience with a very insecure person.
Insecurity often manifests as perceived insult when no such insult occurred.
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Maybe.
Just maybe.(I used excessive spacing for exaggeration)
You're a Typers Hide creature.
But whatev's... you don't want to back up what you said. You want to walk it back as a misunderstanding which I'll take as an admission of that you lack resolve and have abandoned your premise that you're a superior shooter and I'm just some slack jawed retard. You won't assign a standard for performance to validate your testimony of the bullet. You're basically just a blow hard trying to save face at this point.
Keep telling me more about me.
I’m not saying a word, definitively, about who you are or your skills. Heck, you might be the kind of shooter with skills I respected and wished I had.
But I’ll never know because you’re so busy insulting me personally.
I hope tonight is an anomaly for you. I hate to think you’re an ásshole all the time.
Have a good night. I’ll not respond further. The last word is yours.
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I’m not saying a word, definitively, about who you are or your skills. Heck, you might be the kind of shooter with skills I respected and wished I had.
But I’ll never know because you’re so busy insulting me personally.
I hope tonight is an anomaly for you. I hate to think you’re an ásshole all the time.
Have a good night. I’ll not respond further. The last word is yours.
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Think twice before posting condescending shit like that again. The person you're talking to might just be super petty and willing to go the distance wearing your ass out.
To return to the subject. I also prefer the 75gr ELDM to the 75gr Berger VLD.
Reasons. The ELDM have a better BC than the VLD. Shooting at the same MV the ELDM getss to the target faster, and at 2910fps, they are still supersonic at 1000yds. The Berger is not. This is from a standard 8" twist Tikka with a standard .223Rem chamber, (26 thou freebore). Also, wind dope is very similar to a 155.5gr Berger Fullbore making them a cheaper alternative to practice my wind calls for Bisley shooting.
In my case, a 3/4 MOA bullet that registers on the electronic target at a 1000 is better than a 1/2 MOA bullet that doesn't.
I do not use the ELDM for short range target shooting. The Berger is much better for that. The precision from any Hornady bullet that I have tried has never been spectacular.
Reasons. The ELDM have a better BC than the VLD. Shooting at the same MV the ELDM getss to the target faster, and at 2910fps, they are still supersonic at 1000yds. The Berger is not. This is from a standard 8" twist Tikka with a standard .223Rem chamber, (26 thou freebore). Also, wind dope is very similar to a 155.5gr Berger Fullbore making them a cheaper alternative to practice my wind calls for Bisley shooting.
In my case, a 3/4 MOA bullet that registers on the electronic target at a 1000 is better than a 1/2 MOA bullet that doesn't.
I do not use the ELDM for short range target shooting. The Berger is much better for that. The precision from any Hornady bullet that I have tried has never been spectacular.
All I can say is even at 2700 fps out of my AR the 75gr ELDM accounted for a badger at 496 yards. It hits hard too.
I'd like to try the 88's but my Weatherby Obsidian is only 1-8" twist. But the 80gr ELDMs seem to shoot fine out to 800 yards so far.
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