Sidearms & Scatterguns 9 MM 1911's ??

[billt]

Does anyone own and shoot one? I'm toying with the idea of getting one in the future, but I've heard they can be somewhat temperamental as far as ammo, and reliable functioning. Also I've heard they can be finicky with magazines. Springfield Armory makes a really nice Stainless model, and Rock Island Armory also makes them in a couple of different configurations.

The ammo cost is a big plus with them. For someone who really enjoys shooting a 1911, you can do a lot more of it in 9 MM, than with .45 ACP. It is also substantially cheaper to handload for. I've heard nothing but good about the Rock Island guns. Everyone I've talked to who owns one has nothing but praise for both the quality, as well as the functionability of them. Some people shy away from them because they are made in the Philippines, but many of the current line of Springfield 1911's are made in Brazil by Imbel.

Armscor who manufacturers the Rock Island Armory line is known as one of the top firearms manufacturers in the world. I have also heard that the Philippine Army is outfitted with 1911's built by Armscor. They sure as hell represent a fantastic value for the money. Most are priced in the high $300.00 range for the standard Mil-Spec version, to the mid $400.00 price point for the Tactical Models that have the goodies like a skeletonized hammer, and Novak sights.

Anyway, I just wondered if anyone on the board has some 9 MM 1911 experience they could pass along, good or bad. Bill T.

 

[biner626]

Re: 9 MM 1911's ??

I bought one for my wife. It was a Kimber Tactical Pro II. At first we had extraction problems from it. More than likely her limp wristing. But a lighter recoil spring solved all problems. Runs everything like a champ now.

 

[Hoser]

Re: 9 MM 1911's ??

I have a STI Tactical in 9x19 and a Caspian Single Stack I had built up in 9x19.

They both run just fine.

Most factory guns are over sprung. Toss a 9-10 pound spring in there and run it wet. Should work like shit through a goose.

 

[JLR]

Re: 9 MM 1911's ??

I shoot a STI Spartan in 9x19 and have built two others. The Spartan is easily the best bang for the buck 1911 out there and the only problems that I've run into is that they do not like most JHP bullets which is fine with me since they have been my IDPA guns and I run some sort of round nose through them.

 

[Custom by Winslow]

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Use the metalform magazines that have the "Springfield" follower. Brownells and midway sell them. Those are all I will use for a 9mm 1911

 

[Downzero]

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I have the STI Spartan and I have shot about 3,000 rounds through it this year, including about 1,500 over a three day period last week. It likes round nose bullets at 1.150". I use Tripp Research magazines.

 

[Silent]

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I have a Dan Wesson Guardian 9mm its great to shoot, have not had a single functioning issue with it (knock on wood).

 

[Will Fennell]

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My Wilson 9mm 1911 is the handgun I shoot the most, and the best

 

[moccw]

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I have had a Kimber tactical pro 9mm, DW Guardian 9mm, and now I have a Wilson cqb 9mm. All of the guns listed were and are a joy to shoot, and all even the kimber were pretty much flawless.

 

[maxpower220]

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I have a RIA 9mm Tactical. It has been flawless with everything that I have shot through it. The only "issue" I have had is the sights, which I solved by painting them. My RIA has shot Tula and every other kind of cheap ammo and reload up to and including JHP self defense loads. I have had zero failures. I highly recommend the RIA.

 

[shoot4fun]

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S&W Pro Series in 9mm. No problems.
But I don't put a lot of rounds thru it. I'd rather shoot 45 ACP in the 1911.

 

[noname]

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Check in with Brianenos forum if you want to find out more about the versatility of 9mm in the 1911, especially if your looking for a little more say 9 major or such. Have been using 9 major in Ipsc for 20 years with the same problems (or lack thereof) as 45. Two guns a colt and an sti with well over 100,000 rds each. If you reload wilson 38 super mags work great with 1 more round than springfield's. Usually this route works better with better barrels such as Barsto's but I also use a stock springfield with supported barrel and freebored,for longer loads, with 10 grs. of Longshot and 125 gr around 1300 fps.
while the 45 acp is a great cart etc. someday, someday, maybe there will be as many people killed with the 45 that have been killed with the 9mm. Placement,placement,placement

 

[abit91]

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Colt makes a 1911 light weight commander in 38 Super.

 

[Ltdshooter]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shooter2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Check in with Brianenos forum if you want to find out more about the versatility of 9mm in the 1911, especially if your looking for a little more say 9 major or such. Have been using 9 major in Ipsc for 20 years with the same problems (or lack thereof) as 45. Two guns a colt and an sti with well over 100,000 rds each. If you reload wilson 38 super mags work great with 1 more round than springfield's. Usually this route works better with better barrels such as Barsto's but I also use a stock springfield with supported barrel and freebored,for longer loads, with 10 grs. of Longshot and 125 gr around 1300 fps.
while the 45 acp is a great cart etc. someday, someday, maybe there will be as many people killed with the 45 that have been killed with the 9mm. Placement,placement,placement </div></div>

+1
These guys (self included) have a lot of experience with the 1911 9mm platform. Can't really comment on factory guns as mine are ground up builds. Love them for fun and competition. But with the SHTF I'll reach for a .45

 

[stlshooter]

Re: 9 MM 1911's ??

I have the STI Trojan and Kimber Tac Pro II. The Kimber has some issues cycling the last round or 2 in the mag that came with it. No problems with Cobra 10 round mags. Never had a problem with the STI through the 1st 2k rounds.

 

[steppenwolf]

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Isn't a 9-minimeter 1911 considered, you know, sort of a bit ghey???

Hmmmm?

<span style="font-weight: bold">"Oh, the pain ..."</span>

I mean, what's wrong with the "normal" chambering in the traditional U.S. man-stopping .45acp caliber?

 

[prom93]

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The problem with the 45 ACP its just the price to much $$$ for practice.....every weekend....

 

[nefarious79]

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Buying another pistol doesnt really save you money. If you wanted to a pistol for ammo cost saving consider the GSG 1911. Still as attractive as the GSG 1911 22lr is spending $~325-350 on a pistol buys a lot of ammo.

That said I dont currently do not own a 1911 but I am going to pick up a RIA 9mm Tactical this year. If the round that works in my PF9 and M&P9 works in the RIA it'd make things so simple.

http://forum.m1911.org/forumdisplay.php?f=17
The number of people who own RIA 1911's should speak for itself.

 

[a1-equipment]

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I have a les Baer 9mm that shoots like a dream no issue in 2500 rds shoots with my sig 210 also springfield makes a nice on for 850

 

[BLAKSUNZ]

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CZ SP-01. Best 9mm 1911 ever created.

 

[steppenwolf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: prom93</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The problem with the 45 ACP its just the price to much $$$ for practice.....every weekend.... </div></div>

Well, maybe at retail price, but why not reload? Or, get a .22lr upper unit?

Just suggestin' ...

 

[rocky_lange]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BLAKSUNZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CZ SP-01. Best 9mm 1911 ever created.

</div></div>

Yeah, what he said!

 

[ColoWyo]

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I have an STI Trojan in 9mm and it flat out rocks.

I have had zero malfunctions of any kind.

 

[sqidd]

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I’m noticing that all of the recommended 1911 9mm’s are some very nice high dollar guns. They had better work, LOL!

The question is do “entry level” 9mm 1911’s perform as well?

 

[noname]

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the cz guns are ok for occasional shooters, but the unit that hold the sear assembly is not rigid enough to give the same sear let off as a 1911, and with the plastic framed cz this problemis compounded. If the czs were better guns, IPSC and USpsa would be using them. Additionally the option of using +P+ loads in a cz would be iffy at best. Lower cost 9's in 1911 will certainly shoot 9mm for as long as you live, but the quality of the barrel limits there use in hotter loads. The myth of stopping power in handgun rounds usually puts the 45 acp above the 9 unless your moving a 9mm to the same power level (momentum)as the 45.

 

[Adam B]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shooter2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the cz guns are ok for occasional shooters, but the unit that hold the sear assembly is not rigid enough to give the same sear let off as a 1911, and with the plastic framed cz this problemis compounded. If the czs were better guns, IPSC and USpsa would be using them. Additionally the option of using +P+ loads in a cz would be iffy at best. Lower cost 9's in 1911 will certainly shoot 9mm for as long as you live, but the quality of the barrel limits there use in hotter loads. The myth of stopping power in handgun rounds usually puts the 45 acp above the 9 unless your moving a 9mm to the same power level (momentum)as the 45. </div></div>

I ran a cz shadow for 2 years with no issues in uspsa, I put at least 7k or more rounds through it with zero issues

 

[noname]

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major, minor? how many rds a year, how many practice rds, 7k rounds is about 2 months practice.

 

[Adam B]

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I shot it in production, they were minor loads, what class are you if you shoot 7k in 2 months?

 

[Casey Simpson]

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A 9 will do anything a 38 Super will do, and less. I'm more accurate with a 9 because is a bit tamer, and recover quicker. Load your bullets out a bit longer, as long as possible to relieve pressure, add a pinch more powder and you nearly got yourself a Super.

This is a Clark Custom.

 

[sqidd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adam B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot it in production, they were minor loads, what class are you if you shoot 7k in 2 months? </div></div>
Almost all of them. If you want to be good you are shooting 25-45,000rds/yr

I have two friends who are pretty good shooters. They both shoot 25K+/yr and draw and dry fire (snap cap) 50+ times a day.

 

[noname]

Re: 9 MM 1911's ??

Do your friends shoot czs? I don't know what a pretty good shooter is. Is it someone who can do an El presidente in 6 sec?Is it someone who after shooting a course of standards is within 80% of the top shooters in the country? Please explain.

 

[Adam B]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sqidd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adam B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot it in production, they were minor loads, what class are you if you shoot 7k in 2 months? </div></div>
Almost all of them. If you want to be good you are shooting 25-45,000rds/yr

I have two friends who are pretty good shooters. They both shoot 25K+/yr and draw and dry fire (snap cap) 50+ times a day.</div></div>

Well when I gave a shit (didnt have kids) I shot a lot more, I havent shot a match in 2 years and am still an A class production shooter, B limited shooter. Sqidd-who are your two friends that are good, I am sure I know them.

 

[noname]

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any gun can be used thats the point of the sport, but would you use a cz if your going for broke at a national title.?

 

[Adam B]

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Angus doesn't seem to have any issues with them-dont get me wrong I run a glock now

 

[sqidd]

Re: 9 MM 1911's ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well when I gave a shit I shot a lot more</div></div>
Sounds like me about racing, LOL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I havent shot a match in 2 years and am still an A class production shooter, B limited shooter.</div></div>
Better than me!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sqidd-who are your two friends that are good, I am sure I know them.</div></div>
One of them, Jason Szczygiel is just “coming up”. I’m not sure what class he shoots. But he does some “Production” and I think its called “Unlimited 10” or something. He just won some sort of IN state championship or something.

My other buddy, Alex Ortner has not shot competitively in a long time. At one point he was a Master Class IPSC shooter though. Traveled to all the nationals, etc. He is literally the first person to show up at a IPSC match with a red dot on his, I think the class is “Unlimited” 1911’s. He is a master machinist/fabricator by trade. I’ve shot his “race” guns. They are crazy cool.