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Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
I wouldn't say it's really a signature move, it's just another method of checking the chamber and releasing the magazine with speed and efficiency. Rotating the weapon as he does keeps it in his workspace and allows him to visually see the magazine well and the magazine while maintaining situational awareness.
The way the soldier doing it isn't wrong either and is probably the way he was shown during MOUT training. Find four people and have them do a speed reload and you'll probably see six different methods.
I wouldn't say it's really a signature move, it's just another method of checking the chamber and releasing the magazine with speed and efficiency. Rotating the weapon as he does keeps it in his workspace and allows him to visually see the magazine well and the magazine while maintaining situational awareness.
The way the soldier doing it isn't wrong either and is probably the way he was shown during MOUT training. Find four people and have them do a speed reload and you'll probably see six different methods.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
As said above they are not really "signature" moves. Here is Jason Falla of Redback One doing something similar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=8HX1csg301Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTwaXkZIzo0
When I do a mag change, I keep the rifle shouldered and tilt about 45 degrees. It's more efficient than what the guy in the last video is doing (straight up and down). You see how he's fighting to find the mag well when inserting?
As said above they are not really "signature" moves. Here is Jason Falla of Redback One doing something similar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=8HX1csg301Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTwaXkZIzo0
When I do a mag change, I keep the rifle shouldered and tilt about 45 degrees. It's more efficient than what the guy in the last video is doing (straight up and down). You see how he's fighting to find the mag well when inserting?
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
There really isn't much in common between those two videos.
The Soldier is totally gaming, & completely f'n the pooch on them to boot.
He's not actually acquiring even a flash sight picture (looking over the optic) is holding the weapon like a limp noodle, isn't working the trigger, is using a grip & posture that forces him to look at the mag well, & then isn't checking with a pull to see if the mag is seated (he can get away with it while dry firing & using empty mags because it is more forgiving)
Costa is actually shooting & doing a good job @ the refined emergency & tactical reloads common with the well trained.
18 years ago we were stuffing empty mags down our shirt & doing other goofy shit like running our guns dry because not too many evidently thought it was prudent to do admin or tac reloads. We didn't study gun fighting anything like we have in the last 10 years or so. It's now a refined science more than an art.
There really isn't much in common between those two videos.
The Soldier is totally gaming, & completely f'n the pooch on them to boot.
He's not actually acquiring even a flash sight picture (looking over the optic) is holding the weapon like a limp noodle, isn't working the trigger, is using a grip & posture that forces him to look at the mag well, & then isn't checking with a pull to see if the mag is seated (he can get away with it while dry firing & using empty mags because it is more forgiving)
Costa is actually shooting & doing a good job @ the refined emergency & tactical reloads common with the well trained.
18 years ago we were stuffing empty mags down our shirt & doing other goofy shit like running our guns dry because not too many evidently thought it was prudent to do admin or tac reloads. We didn't study gun fighting anything like we have in the last 10 years or so. It's now a refined science more than an art.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
I had this great reply written up but DZ pretty much hit the nail on the head. The way the military does it isn't exactly the best way to do it and there was a great article written by a wounded Marine that highlighted a lot of the shortcomings of the training. I believe his article later went into an issue of SWAT magazine.
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=38540
I had this great reply written up but DZ pretty much hit the nail on the head. The way the military does it isn't exactly the best way to do it and there was a great article written by a wounded Marine that highlighted a lot of the shortcomings of the training. I believe his article later went into an issue of SWAT magazine.
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=38540
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cstmwrks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I can see doing that if your weapon is over the hood and your keeping your rifle down low. But behind the car it looks more flashy than serving a real purpose ... ?? how come he do that?? </div></div>
Sounds like you answered your own question.. He does that to keep himself as low a profile as he can. It's a height over bore issue. A simple understanding of your platform's mechanical offset will allow you to compensate for the new relationship of the sights/bore. Same deal with the urban prone. It's not for show. In fact, let me recommend to you actually purchasing a magpul vid, or two, so that you can get the explanation straight from the source rather than asking folks on the internet. You might enjoy it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cstmwrks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I can see doing that if your weapon is over the hood and your keeping your rifle down low. But behind the car it looks more flashy than serving a real purpose ... ?? how come he do that?? </div></div>
Sounds like you answered your own question.. He does that to keep himself as low a profile as he can. It's a height over bore issue. A simple understanding of your platform's mechanical offset will allow you to compensate for the new relationship of the sights/bore. Same deal with the urban prone. It's not for show. In fact, let me recommend to you actually purchasing a magpul vid, or two, so that you can get the explanation straight from the source rather than asking folks on the internet. You might enjoy it.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
How many classes have you taken? I think the reason you don't see it is because no one has put out training videos like Magpul has.
How many classes have you taken? I think the reason you don't see it is because no one has put out training videos like Magpul has.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
I argued with Chris once that most trained people that have decent time/rounds on a carbine can tell the difference in a recoil impulse between last round bolt hold open and a jam. It has been a long time for me anyway since i have felt last round bolt hold open only to find out it was a jam... Almost never. But im hesitant to say never cuz I just cant remember if i ever have gone to a mag change just to find a jam. I dont think i have.
But Chris said possibly under duress in a real world situation you wouldn't be able to feel slight differences in recoil and make the correct decisions. Again... i have been in those instances and haven't had a problem with it... But I will admit they were light firefights. Possibly something more substantial and i would lose my fine sensory skills.
I dont think its a bad practice to get into if you can do it effectively and efficiently every time.
Some people flame costa because he was a coastie... I dont think it really matters what he did in the military, He can shoot, he obviously has put a lot of time and thought into his tactics, techniques and skill set. I think hes good to go. I'm not really a hater or a lover... But i definitely think his art carbine videos are good to view no matter if you were "born with a carbine in your hands" or new to CQM and Mout tactics.
All in all I think those videos if watched and implemented by your everyday civilian could really go a long way to helping people become more comfortable with shooting on the move, reloading, re-assisting threat situations, ect.
All in all, good training to become more intune with your weapon and have it become and extension of you.
I argued with Chris once that most trained people that have decent time/rounds on a carbine can tell the difference in a recoil impulse between last round bolt hold open and a jam. It has been a long time for me anyway since i have felt last round bolt hold open only to find out it was a jam... Almost never. But im hesitant to say never cuz I just cant remember if i ever have gone to a mag change just to find a jam. I dont think i have.
But Chris said possibly under duress in a real world situation you wouldn't be able to feel slight differences in recoil and make the correct decisions. Again... i have been in those instances and haven't had a problem with it... But I will admit they were light firefights. Possibly something more substantial and i would lose my fine sensory skills.
I dont think its a bad practice to get into if you can do it effectively and efficiently every time.
Some people flame costa because he was a coastie... I dont think it really matters what he did in the military, He can shoot, he obviously has put a lot of time and thought into his tactics, techniques and skill set. I think hes good to go. I'm not really a hater or a lover... But i definitely think his art carbine videos are good to view no matter if you were "born with a carbine in your hands" or new to CQM and Mout tactics.
All in all I think those videos if watched and implemented by your everyday civilian could really go a long way to helping people become more comfortable with shooting on the move, reloading, re-assisting threat situations, ect.
All in all, good training to become more intune with your weapon and have it become and extension of you.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cstmwrks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EWOAF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sounds like you answered your own question.. He does that to keep himself as low a profile as he can. </div></div>
OK.. click.. I get it. Shaves another 1 1/2" or 2" of exposed noggin.
Just try not to shoot the hood. </div></div>
Sorry I missed this earlier. I was just reminded of it. . .
In reference to the quote above. It saves not 1.5-2" but closer to 5-7" of head exposure over the barricade.
I know some straight up killer dudes who despise Costa. I'm not 100% sold on some of the things he was marketing under "tactics" while with MPD but I totally respect him for what he gave me in <span style="font-weight: bold">coaching</span> me to run the carbine faster. I was also pleasantly surprised that I actually liked the guy when hanging out & speaking with him. I expected to find him a cheese ball Coasty Commando and IME he was totally opposite.
YMMV
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cstmwrks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EWOAF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sounds like you answered your own question.. He does that to keep himself as low a profile as he can. </div></div>
OK.. click.. I get it. Shaves another 1 1/2" or 2" of exposed noggin.
Just try not to shoot the hood. </div></div>
Sorry I missed this earlier. I was just reminded of it. . .
In reference to the quote above. It saves not 1.5-2" but closer to 5-7" of head exposure over the barricade.
I know some straight up killer dudes who despise Costa. I'm not 100% sold on some of the things he was marketing under "tactics" while with MPD but I totally respect him for what he gave me in <span style="font-weight: bold">coaching</span> me to run the carbine faster. I was also pleasantly surprised that I actually liked the guy when hanging out & speaking with him. I expected to find him a cheese ball Coasty Commando and IME he was totally opposite.
YMMV
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
I've always enjoyed the magpul dynamics. I own the art of the tactical carbine. It's a good dvd set. I've taken some things from it but it's more or less just a good show of shooting for me. I like to watch things like top sniper 2, STC marine scout sniper, and things that just show raw shooting footage and good explanations. I can't wait for the precision rifle, as i'm sure Caylen and Todd have some vary good tips and concepts to help out on wind reading and so on. For the most part i like Costa, although travis and Chris do always use the most uber tactical gear and the most expensive weapons. I guess i would too if i had the money.
I've always enjoyed the magpul dynamics. I own the art of the tactical carbine. It's a good dvd set. I've taken some things from it but it's more or less just a good show of shooting for me. I like to watch things like top sniper 2, STC marine scout sniper, and things that just show raw shooting footage and good explanations. I can't wait for the precision rifle, as i'm sure Caylen and Todd have some vary good tips and concepts to help out on wind reading and so on. For the most part i like Costa, although travis and Chris do always use the most uber tactical gear and the most expensive weapons. I guess i would too if i had the money.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
I'm not getting what you're saying.
If you referred to optic position via the clock method it'd help make a clearer picture. IE 12-3-9-6 o'clock from the shooter's perspective.
I'm not getting what you're saying.
If you referred to optic position via the clock method it'd help make a clearer picture. IE 12-3-9-6 o'clock from the shooter's perspective.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
I have seen the videos and what he said makes since. If you can feel it you can feel it. The old saying Train as you fight, fight as you train is true. I was out with some friends and we were just making a bunch of 1X brass. I watched a friend run dry then do a tap rack bang but it did not go bang because he was out. Different friend I saw do a mag change on a stove pipe. I am sure I have done things I would not like to admit to.
Consistency is the goal. If there are things you like and work for you then heck yes. If they do not work then do not use them.
I am left handed so when normally shooting I can just see into the chamber.
I have seen the videos and what he said makes since. If you can feel it you can feel it. The old saying Train as you fight, fight as you train is true. I was out with some friends and we were just making a bunch of 1X brass. I watched a friend run dry then do a tap rack bang but it did not go bang because he was out. Different friend I saw do a mag change on a stove pipe. I am sure I have done things I would not like to admit to.
Consistency is the goal. If there are things you like and work for you then heck yes. If they do not work then do not use them.
I am left handed so when normally shooting I can just see into the chamber.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
There is a reason for turing the rifle 90 degrees inboard before releasing the spent magazine. The reason is to visually inspect the chamber to determine what caused the rifle to stop firing. Once you turn the weapon inboard, you can see if the bolt is locked to the rear and the magazine is empty or if there is some type of stoppage such as a double feed, stovepipe, bolt not locked to the rear etc. This way you know what type of action to perform in order to get the rifle firing again, whether that is some type of reload or immediate/remedial action such as tap,rack, bang/shoot, clearing a double feed, etc etc. It is a very good thing to teach and is taught and reinforced in all levels of Marine Corps Marksmanship Training.
ps, i met costa at shot show. he is a lot shorter in person haha. he was a really nice guy and his beard is very impressive.
There is a reason for turing the rifle 90 degrees inboard before releasing the spent magazine. The reason is to visually inspect the chamber to determine what caused the rifle to stop firing. Once you turn the weapon inboard, you can see if the bolt is locked to the rear and the magazine is empty or if there is some type of stoppage such as a double feed, stovepipe, bolt not locked to the rear etc. This way you know what type of action to perform in order to get the rifle firing again, whether that is some type of reload or immediate/remedial action such as tap,rack, bang/shoot, clearing a double feed, etc etc. It is a very good thing to teach and is taught and reinforced in all levels of Marine Corps Marksmanship Training.
ps, i met costa at shot show. he is a lot shorter in person haha. he was a really nice guy and his beard is very impressive.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cstmwrks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So to get to my question. How much of what you see in a Magpul "carbine master" video runs true with what goes on in real firefights over in the sandbox? </div></div>
Costa is a great shooter no doubt, and a great instructor, and I think a lot of his instruction is sound, and has application in a real military gunfight.
I personally don't see the point of flipping the gun to the side. To each his own though- it may be helpful for other people.
Chris Costa's background (12 years in Cost Guard, some time working for some part of the US State Department that I'm not familiar with) does appear to show though in parts of the training that have no application to a military gunfight.
There seems to be a mix of military compatible instruction and techniques with high threat protection techniques that don't have a lot of application to military operations.
So those areas that don't apply to "sound military tactics" are the areas where they probably do apply to high threat protection.
These are senarios like multiple guys walking and shooting - in a military senario, this is pretty dangerous stuff to do. The only reason they employ those tactics in high threat protection is that maximizing a profile in a gunfight maximizes the chance of getting hit- minimizing the chance of a client being hit.
Of course there is no benefit for a soldier who "maximizes his chance of being hit" in a gunfight.
Chris Costa may explain these nuances- I haven't attended his classes or watched any of the full videos so I'm commenting on what I've seen in the various videos on youtube.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cstmwrks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So to get to my question. How much of what you see in a Magpul "carbine master" video runs true with what goes on in real firefights over in the sandbox? </div></div>
Costa is a great shooter no doubt, and a great instructor, and I think a lot of his instruction is sound, and has application in a real military gunfight.
I personally don't see the point of flipping the gun to the side. To each his own though- it may be helpful for other people.
Chris Costa's background (12 years in Cost Guard, some time working for some part of the US State Department that I'm not familiar with) does appear to show though in parts of the training that have no application to a military gunfight.
There seems to be a mix of military compatible instruction and techniques with high threat protection techniques that don't have a lot of application to military operations.
So those areas that don't apply to "sound military tactics" are the areas where they probably do apply to high threat protection.
These are senarios like multiple guys walking and shooting - in a military senario, this is pretty dangerous stuff to do. The only reason they employ those tactics in high threat protection is that maximizing a profile in a gunfight maximizes the chance of getting hit- minimizing the chance of a client being hit.
Of course there is no benefit for a soldier who "maximizes his chance of being hit" in a gunfight.
Chris Costa may explain these nuances- I haven't attended his classes or watched any of the full videos so I'm commenting on what I've seen in the various videos on youtube.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
I've never heard of Chris having any over seas fighting experience, Travis on the other hand has seen some combat with both SF and Blackwater. Hell his blackwater video is on youtube.
I've never heard of Chris having any over seas fighting experience, Travis on the other hand has seen some combat with both SF and Blackwater. Hell his blackwater video is on youtube.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackops_2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never heard of Chris having any over seas fighting experience, Travis on the other hand has seen some combat with both SF and Blackwater. Hell his blackwater video is on youtube. </div></div>
Travis isn't listed on the site I heard something about him working for his own company now. Apparently it is called, "Haley Strategic Partners".
Source
The link says he still works for Magpul occasionally as a consultant.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackops_2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never heard of Chris having any over seas fighting experience, Travis on the other hand has seen some combat with both SF and Blackwater. Hell his blackwater video is on youtube. </div></div>
Travis isn't listed on the site I heard something about him working for his own company now. Apparently it is called, "Haley Strategic Partners".
Source
The link says he still works for Magpul occasionally as a consultant.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Travis isn't listed on the site I heard something about him working for his own company now. Apparently it is called, "Haley Strategic Partners".
Source
The link says he still works for Magpul occasionally as a consultant. </div></div>
Yeah he just recently left magpul this previous year to start Haley strategic.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Travis isn't listed on the site I heard something about him working for his own company now. Apparently it is called, "Haley Strategic Partners".
Source
The link says he still works for Magpul occasionally as a consultant. </div></div>
Yeah he just recently left magpul this previous year to start Haley strategic.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
Everything about MagPul videos is a beautiful choreographed piece of nonsense. But that's just my point of view.
Everything about MagPul videos is a beautiful choreographed piece of nonsense. But that's just my point of view.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Papagallos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everything about MagPul videos is a beautiful choreographed piece of nonsense. But that's just my point of view. </div></div>
Passing scopes to the side was stupid looking. < I have no idea what they were attempting to prove.
It seemed that the choreography here was an appeal to "Joe everyman" suggesting that anyone can be a great precision shooter (3 headshots at 1000meters...), and I don't buy that at all.
But I'm sure it helps sell videos.
Can you train people? Sure. Can you make them all experts? Absolutely not.
A great example is a military sniper school- guys hand picked from their units as exemplary are blade running with 75% or less on UKD's or movers, or some other associated task and many of them pack their bags and leave during the course.
In other words, the people already considered to have a high degree of aptitude were unable to "meet the minimum standard" to complete the course.
Granted I'm sure it helps also to have a $4000 rifle and $3500 glass, as well as to already be a guy who firess XXX,000 rounds a year like a Chris Costa.
<span style="font-weight: bold">If you're one of those guys? Sure it should come easily. </span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Papagallos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everything about MagPul videos is a beautiful choreographed piece of nonsense. But that's just my point of view. </div></div>
Passing scopes to the side was stupid looking. < I have no idea what they were attempting to prove.
It seemed that the choreography here was an appeal to "Joe everyman" suggesting that anyone can be a great precision shooter (3 headshots at 1000meters...), and I don't buy that at all.
But I'm sure it helps sell videos.
Can you train people? Sure. Can you make them all experts? Absolutely not.
A great example is a military sniper school- guys hand picked from their units as exemplary are blade running with 75% or less on UKD's or movers, or some other associated task and many of them pack their bags and leave during the course.
In other words, the people already considered to have a high degree of aptitude were unable to "meet the minimum standard" to complete the course.
Granted I'm sure it helps also to have a $4000 rifle and $3500 glass, as well as to already be a guy who firess XXX,000 rounds a year like a Chris Costa.
<span style="font-weight: bold">If you're one of those guys? Sure it should come easily. </span>
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Trigger Monkey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wouldn't say it's really a signature move, it's just another method of checking the chamber and releasing the magazine with speed and efficiency. Rotating the weapon as he does keeps it in his workspace and allows him to visually see the magazine well and the magazine while maintaining situational awareness.
The way the soldier doing it isn't wrong either and is probably the way he was shown during MOUT training. Find four people and have them do a speed reload and you'll probably see six different methods.</div></div>Agreed.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Papagallos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everything about MagPul videos is a beautiful choreographed piece of nonsense. But that's just my point of view. </div></div>It isn't complete nonsense, at least the AR stuff isn't, but it <span style="text-decoration: underline">is</span> beautifully choreographed. Well put!
Anyone in the know care to fill us in on what is currently happening between the principals at Magpul?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Trigger Monkey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wouldn't say it's really a signature move, it's just another method of checking the chamber and releasing the magazine with speed and efficiency. Rotating the weapon as he does keeps it in his workspace and allows him to visually see the magazine well and the magazine while maintaining situational awareness.
The way the soldier doing it isn't wrong either and is probably the way he was shown during MOUT training. Find four people and have them do a speed reload and you'll probably see six different methods.</div></div>Agreed.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Papagallos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everything about MagPul videos is a beautiful choreographed piece of nonsense. But that's just my point of view. </div></div>It isn't complete nonsense, at least the AR stuff isn't, but it <span style="text-decoration: underline">is</span> beautifully choreographed. Well put!
Anyone in the know care to fill us in on what is currently happening between the principals at Magpul?
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
I have everything from magpul, minus a T shirt... which I need. Oh and I saw an OGA dude the other day with a magpul sticker on his radio. So instantly magpul gets more cool points.
I have everything from magpul, minus a T shirt... which I need. Oh and I saw an OGA dude the other day with a magpul sticker on his radio. So instantly magpul gets more cool points.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackops_2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never heard of Chris having any over seas fighting experience, Travis on the other hand has seen some combat with both SF and Blackwater. Hell his blackwater video is on youtube. </div></div>
Travis wasnt SF, he was a recon marine.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackops_2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never heard of Chris having any over seas fighting experience, Travis on the other hand has seen some combat with both SF and Blackwater. Hell his blackwater video is on youtube. </div></div>
Travis wasnt SF, he was a recon marine.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 11B-B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Travis wasnt SF, he was a recon marine. </div></div>
My mistake, i was under the impression he was SF.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 11B-B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Travis wasnt SF, he was a recon marine. </div></div>
My mistake, i was under the impression he was SF.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Papagallos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everything about MagPul videos is a beautiful choreographed piece of nonsense. But that's just my point of view. </div></div>
Passing scopes to the side was stupid looking. < I have no idea what they were attempting to prove.
It seemed that the choreography here was an appeal to "Joe everyman" suggesting that anyone can be a great precision shooter (3 headshots at 1000meters...), and I don't buy that at all.
But I'm sure it helps sell videos.
Can you train people? Sure. Can you make them all experts? Absolutely not.
A great example is a military sniper school- guys hand picked from their units as exemplary are blade running with 75% or less on UKD's or movers, or some other associated task and many of them pack their bags and leave during the course.
In other words, the people already considered to have a high degree of aptitude were unable to "meet the minimum standard" to complete the course.
Granted I'm sure it helps also to have a $4000 rifle and $3500 glass, as well as to already be a guy who firess XXX,000 rounds a year like a Chris Costa.
<span style="font-weight: bold">If you're one of those guys? Sure it should come easily. </span>
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I know Chris personally and I can tell you that anything they say happened in that video actually happened. Chris values his reputation more than anything.
Whether you agree with his training or not is another thing, but to suggest that faked the video in any way just means you dont know Chris or Travis. Both of them are stand up guys with principles and honor.
First of all, neither of them are strangers to Precision shooting.
Secondly, I have watched the entire video over this weekend. At no time do they even vaguely suggest they can turn you into a Marine Corp Scout Sniper, or even a competitive competition shooter. In fact, Caylen suggests that very little of his role as a Scout Sniper actually included marksmanship.
Magpul never teaches tactics in their videos, just weapons manipulation and a better understanding of the weapons platform itself. So in reality non of the content of Art of the Precision Rifle can be considered sniper training and they never try to pass it off as such.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Papagallos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everything about MagPul videos is a beautiful choreographed piece of nonsense. But that's just my point of view. </div></div>
Passing scopes to the side was stupid looking. < I have no idea what they were attempting to prove.
It seemed that the choreography here was an appeal to "Joe everyman" suggesting that anyone can be a great precision shooter (3 headshots at 1000meters...), and I don't buy that at all.
But I'm sure it helps sell videos.
Can you train people? Sure. Can you make them all experts? Absolutely not.
A great example is a military sniper school- guys hand picked from their units as exemplary are blade running with 75% or less on UKD's or movers, or some other associated task and many of them pack their bags and leave during the course.
In other words, the people already considered to have a high degree of aptitude were unable to "meet the minimum standard" to complete the course.
Granted I'm sure it helps also to have a $4000 rifle and $3500 glass, as well as to already be a guy who firess XXX,000 rounds a year like a Chris Costa.
<span style="font-weight: bold">If you're one of those guys? Sure it should come easily. </span>
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I know Chris personally and I can tell you that anything they say happened in that video actually happened. Chris values his reputation more than anything.
Whether you agree with his training or not is another thing, but to suggest that faked the video in any way just means you dont know Chris or Travis. Both of them are stand up guys with principles and honor.
First of all, neither of them are strangers to Precision shooting.
Secondly, I have watched the entire video over this weekend. At no time do they even vaguely suggest they can turn you into a Marine Corp Scout Sniper, or even a competitive competition shooter. In fact, Caylen suggests that very little of his role as a Scout Sniper actually included marksmanship.
Magpul never teaches tactics in their videos, just weapons manipulation and a better understanding of the weapons platform itself. So in reality non of the content of Art of the Precision Rifle can be considered sniper training and they never try to pass it off as such.
Re: Cris Costa fans ..or not
Lofty nailed it on the head. In person Chris and Travis (and Drake) were the most humble guys you'd meet. "This is what works for us after a lot of thought and it should work for you, but do what works for you." There ciriculum actually changed from year to year as they ditched what didn't work or if they figured out something better.
To me, Chris was more of a natural shooter and Travis put more thought into developing his skill set. I think that blend of ways of developing capability made for a great teaching environment. Learn by feel, Costa was a good mentor. If you like to analyse and figure out the best method, that seemed to be how Travis' mind worked.
The videos are OK, but they can't come close to being in a class where you can interact with them.
I don't think anyone explicitly said itm, but the 90 flip is not about the flipping. It is all because that is the fastest way to get from checking the chamber to the optimal position to get a mag into the gun. That simple, non ninja'in required.
As to the production quality, Halleluhia! Most gun videos before the MD one would make amatuer porn look like a Kubrick movie. No more shooting in some basement in front of wood panelling with one camera and little editing. Way to bring gun training videos into the 21st century.
Lofty nailed it on the head. In person Chris and Travis (and Drake) were the most humble guys you'd meet. "This is what works for us after a lot of thought and it should work for you, but do what works for you." There ciriculum actually changed from year to year as they ditched what didn't work or if they figured out something better.
To me, Chris was more of a natural shooter and Travis put more thought into developing his skill set. I think that blend of ways of developing capability made for a great teaching environment. Learn by feel, Costa was a good mentor. If you like to analyse and figure out the best method, that seemed to be how Travis' mind worked.
The videos are OK, but they can't come close to being in a class where you can interact with them.
I don't think anyone explicitly said itm, but the 90 flip is not about the flipping. It is all because that is the fastest way to get from checking the chamber to the optimal position to get a mag into the gun. That simple, non ninja'in required.
As to the production quality, Halleluhia! Most gun videos before the MD one would make amatuer porn look like a Kubrick movie. No more shooting in some basement in front of wood panelling with one camera and little editing. Way to bring gun training videos into the 21st century.
