A "Bun" on the Nogen!

[Fx51LP308]

I recently made a post in the MPT about a guy who posts video shorts from YouTube that depict both the IDF and the Israeli Border Patrol etc. out on patrol in Jerusalem. You can see them on patrol armed/slung with AR and AK type rifles, etc. Here's a sample (there are more on his YouTube Channel):



If you look at the sample, you see a lot of uniformed female IDF and Border patrol soldiers. All of them have either "free flowing" or long braided pony tails. If I'm not mistaken, it is a "requirement" in the US Military (certainly the Marine Corps) and most if not all US LEAs that such long hair be tied up in a bun. This, for safety reasons. In live "hand-to-hand" combat scenarios, having a long pony tail gives one's opponent something to grab on to, to get an advantage in that combat. With the hair in a bun, it's a bit harder to do that. Not impossible, but harder. Likewise, for LEOs in a "class A" uniform, the "tie" is always a clip on. In case that gets pulled in combat, it will just fly off and not give the combatant any advantage.

Am I correct in re: the requirement for US Military/LE to "bun up" long hair like that? If so, then I'm curious as to how the IDF and Israeli Border patrol get away without doing the same. I can't imagine they don't train for hand-to-hand combat. What gives?

Thoughts?

 

[mewillis]

All show no go, they can’t be serious lol

 

[Blue Sky Country]

They have different tiers of security and overwatch in effect at all times. The pretty IDF/IBP gals are just the surface level tourism feature, minor security work, and "part and parcel" of a trip to Israel. The Izzies already know that the sexy IDF gal is perhaps one of the oldest memes on global Internet spheres and they capitalize on it quite well, putting out ample eye candy to keep the tourist bucks flowing. On days when very little trouble is expected, female troops patrol in groups of at least 3. Their other principle role is interacting with Muslim women, whom may avoid conversations with a male officer. The female IDF are quite capable on routine police duties.

On higher threat matrix time periods, female IDF groups will have one, two, or several heavy male asskickers along with them in squad size patrol groups. Even during the lowest risk times, the patrolling IDF is comprised of only 1-5% of the entire security structure, and that is the visible section. The REAL problem solvers are the armored and sometimes unmarked SUVs that roam around on the streets and highways at all times. These are all comprised of hardcore infantry doorkickers and special ops guys, all males, armored up like Iron Man and can fold a wannabe hadji like a cheap suit. Almost unlimited arsenals too going right up to .50 BMG and 40mm HE grenades. The interiors of these police APCs are decked out with computer screens putting them in constant comms with base command and street patrol units. If any unit outside even hints at needing assistance, any number of these can be on scene within 4 minutes. In potential hotspots like the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, no less than dozens of these roving squads are in an area at all times.

 

[Fx51LP308]

They have different tiers of security and overwatch in effect at all times. The pretty IDF/IBP gals are just the surface level tourism feature, minor security work, and "part and parcel" of a trip to Israel. The Izzies already know that the sexy IDF gal is perhaps one of the oldest memes on global Internet spheres and they capitalize on it quite well, putting out ample eye candy to keep the tourist bucks flowing. On days when very little trouble is expected, female troops patrol in groups of at least 3. Their other principle role is interacting with Muslim women, whom may avoid conversations with a male officer. The female IDF are quite capable on routine police duties.

On higher threat matrix time periods, female IDF groups will have one, two, or several heavy male asskickers along with them in squad size patrol groups. Even during the lowest risk times, the patrolling IDF is comprised of only 1-5% of the entire security structure, and that is the visible section. The REAL problem solvers are the armored and sometimes unmarked SUVs that roam around on the streets and highways at all times. These are all comprised of hardcore infantry doorkickers and special ops guys, all males, armored up like Iron Man and can fold a wannabe hadji like a cheap suit. Almost unlimited arsenals too going right up to .50 BMG and 40mm HE grenades. The interiors of these police APCs are decked out with computer screens putting them in constant comms with base command and street patrol units. If any unit outside even hints at needing assistance, any number of these can be on scene within 4 minutes. In potential hotspots like the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, no less than dozens of these roving squads are in an area at all times.

Most interesting. Because it brings up another question I had. In a lot of these videos we see what appears to be "plain clothes" people OC'ing a AR/AK style rifle in a sling of some sort. I'm told these are "off duty" IDF/IBP who carry to be "alawys at the ready...." although I'm not sure "how" ready as most are carrying "condition 3" without a mag even locked / loaded.

My question is, how do they distinguish between an actual off duty IDF/IBP soldier vs a potential terrorist just trying to "blend in" with the crowd so they can attack and reek havoc in a crowd of people? I'd gather if we started mass OC'ing of rifles here in the US, we'd have that same problem.

 

[Ronws]

I recently made a post in the MPT about a guy who posts video shorts from YouTube that depict both the IDF and the Israeli Border Patrol etc. out on patrol in Jerusalem. You can see them on patrol armed/slung with AR and AK type rifles, etc. Here's a sample (there are more on his YouTube Channel):



If you look at the sample, you see a lot of uniformed female IDF and Border patrol soldiers. All of them have either "free flowing" or long braided pony tails. If I'm not mistaken, it is a "requirement" in the US Military (certainly the Marine Corps) and most if not all US LEAs that such long hair be tied up in a bun. This, for safety reasons. In live "hand-to-hand" combat scenarios, having a long pony tail gives one's opponent something to grab on to, to get an advantage in that combat. With the hair in a bun, it's a bit harder to do that. Not impossible, but harder. Likewise, for LEOs in a "class A" uniform, the "tie" is always a clip on. In case that gets pulled in combat, it will just fly off and not give the combatant any advantage.

Am I correct in re: the requirement for US Military/LE to "bun up" long hair like that? If so, then I'm curious as to how the IDF and Israeli Border patrol get away without doing the same. I can't imagine they don't train for hand-to-hand combat. What gives?

Thoughts?

They do train for combat. In fact, the hand-to-hand style is called Krav Maga, AKA, jew-do.

 

[Fx51LP308]

They do train for combat. In fact, the hand-to-hand style is called Krav Maga, AKA, jew-do.

I've no doubt they do. The question is, does their training permit them the luxury not not requiring their hair to be "bunned up" when engaged in combat? As is the requirement for the US Military and the US LE? I have heard of Krav Maga, But are there skills that permit the wearing down of hair?

 

[Eostech]

My question is, how do they distinguish between an actual off duty IDF/IBP soldier vs a potential terrorist just trying to "blend in" with the crowd so they can attack and reek havoc in a crowd of people? I'd gather if we started mass OC'ing of rifles here in the US, we'd have that same problem.

Ah they just shoot them, but they get to go to jew heaven as a consolidation prize.

 

[kcbird]

I think the bun thing is more of a professional look than functional. Watch a couple of cat fights, that hair is coming down no matter what condition it was in before the fight started.

 

[Ronws]

I've no doubt they do. The question is, does their training permit them the luxury not not requiring their hair to be "bunned up" when engaged in combat? As is the requirement for the US Military and the US LE? I have heard of Krav Maga, But are there skills that permit the wearing down of hair?

Never stopped her. Of course, given the chance, she would just as soon shoot you as fight you.

The character Ziva David was a Mossad agent who worked with the NCIS team (for whatever reason and also a love interest for very special agent Anthony DiNozzo, Jr.)

 

[Fx51LP308]

Never stopped her. Of course, given the chance, she would just as soon shoot you as fight you.

The character Ziva David was a Mossad agent who worked with the NCIS team (for whatever reason and also a love interest for very special agent Anthony DiNozzo, Jr.)

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I know. Trust me, I know. But she's the only "Ziva David" for a reason. She's the only daughter of the late director of Mossad. I don't think even some of the male IDF/IBP could hold a candle to her. She's an expert. She doesn't count. I'm talking about every day run-of-the-mill IDF/IBP soldiers. The ones we see in those videos. Would they now how to handle themselves (and their long hair) when engaged in hand-to-hand combat?

 

[Redmanss]

Back in my uniform days, my buddy was running a MCMAP instructor course with a wookie in it while we were out to sea on a MEU. She was trying to hook up with my friend and decided to show up with her hair down to look “cute”, which he had previously warned her never to do.

We started that class right off with ground fighting, her vs. him. He choked her out with her own hair inside five seconds, just to prove his point. Then he did it again to reinforce it.

She later got some remedial training in port that also involved choking.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Most interesting. Because it brings up another question I had. In a lot of these videos we see what appears to be "plain clothes" people OC'ing a AR/AK style rifle in a sling of some sort. I'm told these are "off duty" IDF/IBP who carry to be "alawys at the ready...." although I'm not sure "how" ready as most are carrying "condition 3" without a mag even locked / loaded.

My question is, how do they distinguish between an actual off duty IDF/IBP soldier vs a potential terrorist just trying to "blend in" with the crowd so they can attack and reek havoc in a crowd of people? I'd gather if we started mass OC'ing of rifles here in the US, we'd have that same problem.

ID placards and badges worn in very conspicuous fashion, around their necks and on their hips. They are the size of large smartphones and have insta-scannable codes that prove they are legit military IDs. The tech and know-how of the information grid required behind the ID system makes it impossible for any terrorist imposter to forge these smart documents. The IDF armored trucks along with fixed pods at any given point are also fitted with facial recognition cameras. If someone is OC'ing a rifle and they A: are not a law abiding Israeli citizen who can carry a rifle in public, or B: Wearing military ID but is not recognized as a servicemember, active or reserve, they will show up like a fully lit Christmas tree on a clear night.

 

[bigdaddydmd]

Am I correct in re: the requirement for US Military/LE to "bun up" long hair like that? If so, then I'm curious as to how the IDF and Israeli Border patrol get away without doing the same. I can't imagine they don't train for hand-to-hand combat. What gives?

Thoughts?

US Army updated its regs in 2021. https://www.army.mil/standto/archive/2021/01/27/ I routinely see female soldiers in ponytails, twin braids, or a single long Viking style braid. Some of my female soldiers now have hair down pass their ass when they aren't braided up and in civies after duty hours. Most of my old school female NCO's still do a tight bun, but the younger ones all look like Pippy Longstocking. Its been a few years and it still buttfucks my soul when I am on a rifle range or a FTX and see braids and stud earrings poking out from under a ACH, but that is the old school army in me and my inner boomer needs to get with the times. At least they only allow clear fingernail polish on males. If that verbiage wasn't in there I am sure I would see male soldiers with solid color (non-extreme) finger nail polish like black.

EXCERPT:

What is it?

The U.S. Army is committed to implementing policies that promote inclusivity throughout the ranks. To ensure a standard of equity and based on a July 2020 DoD-directed review, the Army has updated the grooming and hairstyle policies. The updates directly supports the Army’s diversity and inclusion efforts.

What are the current and past efforts of the Army?

The Army revised Army Regulation 670-1, Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia. The AR and DA PAM 670-1 to incorporate previously announced changes (May 2017-December 2020) in uniform policy and procedures. Major updates include:

• Policy implementation of the Army Green Service Uniform
• Authorization for female Soldiers who are breastfeeding or pumping to wear an optional undershirt
• Changes the Shoulder Sleeve Insignia from Former Wartime Service to Military Operations in Hostile Conditions.

The Army has updated its grooming standards to address the disparate impact on female Soldiers. Army Senior Leaders approved hairstyle changes that promotes diversity and inclusion and improves the health of the force. The updates, based on medical (dermatology) considerations, as well as feedback from Soldiers across the force, are authorized as follows:

• No minimum hair length for female Soldiers
• Multiple hairstyles to be worn at once (i.e. braiding twists or locs)
• Ponytails to be worn down the center of the back in all uniforms; the length not to exceed the bottom of the shoulder blades while at the position of attention (effective May 6, 2021)
• Highlights (uniform blend of colors)
• Optional wear of earrings in the Army Combat Uniform for Female Soldiers
• Solid lip and nail colors (non-extreme) for female Soldiers
• Clear nail polish for male Soldiers

 

[Fx51LP308]

US Army updated its regs in 2021. https://www.army.mil/standto/archive/2021/01/27/ I routinely see female soldiers in ponytails, twin braids, or a single long Viking style braid. Some of my female soldiers now have hair down pass their ass when they aren't braided up and in civies after duty hours. Most of my old school female NCO's still do a tight bun, but the younger ones all look like Pippy Longstocking. Its been a few years and it still buttfucks my soul when I am on a rifle range or a FTX and see braids and stud earrings poking out from under a ACH, but that is the old school army in me and my inner boomer needs to get with the times. At least they only allow clear fingernail polish on males. If that verbiage wasn't in there I am sure I would see male soldiers with solid color (non-extreme) finger nail polish like black.

EXCERPT:

What is it?

The U.S. Army is committed to implementing policies that promote inclusivity throughout the ranks. To ensure a standard of equity and based on a July 2020 DoD-directed review, the Army has updated the grooming and hairstyle policies. The updates directly supports the Army’s diversity and inclusion efforts.

What are the current and past efforts of the Army?

The Army revised Army Regulation 670-1, Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia. The AR and DA PAM 670-1 to incorporate previously announced changes (May 2017-December 2020) in uniform policy and procedures. Major updates include:

• Policy implementation of the Army Green Service Uniform
• Authorization for female Soldiers who are breastfeeding or pumping to wear an optional undershirt
• Changes the Shoulder Sleeve Insignia from Former Wartime Service to Military Operations in Hostile Conditions.

The Army has updated its grooming standards to address the disparate impact on female Soldiers. Army Senior Leaders approved hairstyle changes that promotes diversity and inclusion and improves the health of the force. The updates, based on medical (dermatology) considerations, as well as feedback from Soldiers across the force, are authorized as follows:

• No minimum hair length for female Soldiers
• Multiple hairstyles to be worn at once (i.e. braiding twists or locs)
• Ponytails to be worn down the center of the back in all uniforms; the length not to exceed the bottom of the shoulder blades while at the position of attention (effective May 6, 2021)
• Highlights (uniform blend of colors)
• Optional wear of earrings in the Army Combat Uniform for Female Soldiers
• Solid lip and nail colors (non-extreme) for female Soldiers
• Clear nail polish for male Soldiers

The Army, perhaps. Maybe even the Navy and/or Air Force. Not the Marine Corps. They keep it bunned up when on duty. And they require it of female recruits right on Receiving night at PI or SD (apparently, they now accept female recruits at SD and have female DI's stationed there). I watched a female DI lay into a recruit at PI on receiving night about not having "bunned up" before getting on the yellow footprints.

 

[mewillis]

I think the bun thing is more of a professional look than functional. Watch a couple of cat fights, that hair is coming down no matter what condition it was in before the fight started.

There is a "professional bun look"?? You must mean like Steven Seagal LOL. So the cute gals in the picture are "show girls for the IDF" is that what the concensus is?? Ridiculous but probably true, they sure are cute!!
However, since the security failure of the recent Palestinian conflict I fail to see the real and true reason for "show ponies"