A more quiet suppressor on a 50 BMG rifle ?

We don't quote what is "hearing safe."

Our current dB #'s for the Ultra 50, on a 27" rifle, metering at shooter's ear, is about 139 dB if the supersonic crack is omitted (ie actual muzzle suppression). The peak from the SS crack at shooter's ear is between 140-141. This is with the muzzle brake on the end of the can. With the flat cap instead of the brake, it's at least 7 dB quieter @ SE
 
Would the CGS Keres or Thunder beast be hearing safe?

"Hearing safe" isn't really a thing unless you're talking bolt action subsonic suppressed with long/quiet silencers.

What rifle are you suppressing? Bolt action or semi auto? Barrel length?

Hearing damage is dose dependent. What is the planned firing schedule? Where are you firing it? Are you in the free open feild? Are you going to be inside something, under a shade cover, next to walls, etc? Is the muzzle going to be less than a foot off the ground or 4-5' up on a tripod. Just be careful with people telling you or thinking things are hearing safe.

All of this matters in terms of hearing damage potential. The more reflective surfaces and the closer you are to them the more hearing damage potential there is.

If I had to guess by just looking at that tbac can with that brake I'd say the Keres is probably quieter but the tbac will probably have quite a bit less recoil because of that brake. So there's a give and take between the brake cap vs solid.

Edit saw Zak mention they have a flat cap. When I said Keres is probably quieter it was in reference to the tbac with the brake. I'm not making assumptions on solid cap vs solid cap.
 
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We have some meter data that showed we were quieter even with the brake, but we need to re-do it due to some ambient problems. Nothing we've metered was even close to the long config with the flat cap (no brake), but nobody wants to shoot a 50 without a brake on the end of the can
 
The CGS Keres is an option, as is that TBAC above. Id lean that way anyways. I dont think id consider a QD 50 can, personally.

KGM makes a 50 can, but I’ve heard zero about it.
The KGM is pretty good for sound but recoil mitigation isn't amazing. I'm not sure anything really is. By all accounts the Thunder Beast looks amazing but is a monster.
 
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That's nice dang. Buddy has the Barrett MRAD system and the suppressor from Barrett.....his dang 338NM and 300NM/6.5 no matter what are the quietest on the entire range and there are a ton of suppressed rifles at our range. Amazing. Cool to see a 50 tamed too.
 
The KGM is pretty good for sound but recoil mitigation isn't amazing. I'm not sure anything really is. By all accounts the Thunder Beast looks amazing but is a monster.

Was not impressed haha with either the sound suppression or recoil mitigation....

Better off with a brake than that kgm can lol
 
Zac. Is the Tbac 50 working on a Barrett M107?


We have some meter data that showed we were quieter even with the brake, but we need to re-do it due to some ambient problems. Nothing we've metered was even close to the long config with the flat cap (no brake), but nobody wants to shoot a 50 without a brake on the end of the can
 
I don’t see the point in suppressing a a 50 BMG. The extreme cost, length and weight - juice just ain’t worth the squeeze. And with cans other than TBAC you’re going to have a notable increase in recoil which will affect your shooting and I don’t care what you read with guys saying “it’s fine”. It’s probably fine for IPSC inside of 1000 yards. It will rattle your cage and there are few superhuman shooters out there who are not affected by it unless they’re plinking big targets, thumping their chest, and trying to prove how manly they are.

I added 11” to my DT barrel (40” total) and get another ~150 FPS. Cost $100 extra for the blank, and the foot of length

I can see specific scenarios where you may want it. I’d rather spend my $6000 elsewhere and get free velocity - and muzzle chaos farther in front of me that way

Next time I may go to 45” which is the barrel length John Browning designed the cartridge for.

Finally, if you’re planning on suppressing the factory DT barrel, look carefully at the threads. They’re using metric and it can be difficult to find a compatible muzzle device.

YMMV

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If you are going to shoot a lot of 50 from bolt guns, the only reason to NOT suppress it with an Ultra 50 RR (or another can that has similar overall sound & recoil performance... if any exist??) is for concerns of cost, or weapon overall length. The difference in shootability is dramatic, like a 100x difference in how many rounds you can shoot in a day and still retain good trigger presses. We are spotting our own hits at any distance (like including sub 300 yards) and an average taken from a variety of shooters the reticle movement off the POA is typically in the 1-5 mils range (depending on shooter, position, etc, etc).

Now, as far as why our demo gun runs short barrels, it's because we used the same AX ELR rifle with a series of barrels that we burned through for endurance testing, IE, worst case heat cycle with shorter-than-final-rating barrel length. While doing that we found out that at anything shorter than true ELR distances it didn't really make a big difference in ability to get hits, and obviously the rifle was a lot easier to cart around, which we do a lot with demo guns.

That said, a lot of departments, etc, have 50's for vehicle interdiction at what we (as SH forum members) consider close or even point blank distances. There is no need for long barrels in this application. All those cool guy photos of guys shooting 50's at boats (or specifically boat engines) from helicopters are at pretty close range -- and they are running short barrels on those guns already.
 
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