Rifle Scopes A new one from UPS

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andrews1958

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#1
My wife just went to the UPS store to mail my scope to my gunsmith to install on my new custom.

They told her they could not ship it as it was a gun related item.

The only reason she told them it was a scope as they needed to know because she was insuring it

Is this a new rule or law by UPS or our goverment?
 
#6
Re: A new one from UPS

yes uninformed personnel, I had the same thing happen to me and they were wrong according to their own rules, here they are

Shipping Firearms

Special Procedures for Shipping Firearms

Use These UPS Services for Your Firearm Shipment
UPS accepts packages containing firearms (as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code) for transportation from and between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, and licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code), law enforcement agencies of the United States (or of any department or agency of the United States), law enforcement agencies of any state or department agency (or political subdivision of any state), from and between persons not otherwise prohibited from shipping firearms by federal, state or local law, and when such shipment complies with all federal, state and local laws applicable to the shipper, recipient, and package.


Handguns, as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921,will be accepted for transportation only via UPS Next Day Air Services, specifically, UPS Next Day Air® Early A.M.®, UPS Next Day Air®, and UPS Next Day Air Saver®. (Note: UPS Express CriticalSM Service is not available for firearms).
<span style="font-weight: bold">UPS accepts firearm parts for shipment, provided the part is not a "firearm" as defined under federal law;</span> the contents of the package cannot be assembled to form a firearm; and the package otherwise complies with federal, state, and local law. (Note: Receivers or frames of a firearm, firearm mufflers and silencers are considered "firearms" and are accepted for transportation only if shipped in accordance with UPS's requirements for shipping firearms.)
UPS does not accept automatic weapons, including machine guns, for shipment.
Firearms (including handguns) and firearm parts are not accepted for shipment internationally.
UPS ReturnsSM Services are not available for packages containing firearms.



Follow These Packing Requirements
Packages containing handguns must be separated from other packages tendered to UPS for delivery.
All firearms are to be shipped in new corrugated packaging which meets the UPS Single Wall Box Strength Guidelines. Medium and large UPS boxes may be used for smaller shipments being shipped via UPS Express service.
All firearms are to be packaged in accordance with UPS Packaging Guideline Specifications.
Ammunition must be shipped separately from packages that contain firearms (including handguns).
Ammunition will be transported only when packaged and labeled in compliance with 49 C.F.R. § 172 regarding hazardous materials shipments, and must be shipped in accordance with the UPS Guide for Shipping Ground and Air Hazardous Materials.



About Documentation and Labeling
The shipper must use Delivery Confirmation Adult Signature Required service for each package containing a firearm, including a handgun, and affix a UPS label requesting an adult signature upon delivery.
The labeling and outer box markings on all firearms shipments should not identify the contents as containing a firearm. Labeling, including the shipper's and consignee's abbreviated names on the shipping label or air shipping document, must be non-descriptive.



Getting Your Firearm Shipment to UPS
Firearms (including handguns) may be shipped only through a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account (specifically, Daily Pickup, Daily On-Route Pickup, UPS Smart Pickup®, and Day-Specific Pickup), or through a UPS Customer Center (counters at UPS operational facilities). Note: Firearms (including handguns) are not accepted for shipment via, UPS Drop Boxes, UPS On-Call PickupSM, or at locations of The UPS Store® or any third party retailer.
When you are shipping a package that contains a handgun, you must verbally notify the UPS driver or UPS Customer Center clerk.
See the terms and conditions in the UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions of Service for information regarding firearm shipments.





 
#7
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I used to have the same problem at the UPS store. Hell, i just quit telling them what i had. They told me i had to go to a actual UPS place which was about 40 minutes away. I used to send alot of stuff through them and i just got tired of the hassle. The place i go to now uses UPS and FedX and i also can send stuff priority mail, plus it is closer to where i live and the great thing is i do not get hassled about it.....for now.
 
#8
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Sent a scope in the mail the other week via a UPS Store and I had no problem there, guess it is just store to store thing like others have said. I too stated it was a rifle scope for insurance reasons and the guy helping me didn't say anything or give me any looks.
 
#9
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BTW the people that worked their told me that they did not work for UPS or was it owned by them and that it was company policy from the company they worked for.
 
#10
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Never had a problem with an optic using a UPS Store, but bear in mind they're franchises. Like another poster above said, if it's a firearm or there's a problem a UPS shipping hub is the place to go.
 
#11
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I had the same issue at a fedex/kinko store a while back.
When asked what was in the box I honestly said "riflescope".
He freaked out and asked "is the rifle in there with it?'.
Amazed at the stupidity of this ding dong, I just looked down at the box which was about 8"x8"x15" and asked "Are you serious?"
He stood his ground and would not accept the package.

I was soooo pissed at this ignorant knucklehead I called fedex corporate right there. The nice lady on the other end laughed and told me to tell them next time is was a telescope and confirmed that riflescopes were in no way restricted for shipping by Fedex.

At this point I believe I had already accused said offender of being an ignorant fuckstick so my presence was no longer appreciated.

I took my package down the road to the next fedex/kinkos on my way to where I was going and told the person there the story. They gladly accepted it, apologized for the numbnuts at the other locale, gave me a lolipop and sent me on my way.
 
#12
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azimutha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never had a problem with an optic using a UPS Store, but bear in mind they're franchises. Like another poster above said, if it's a firearm or there's a problem a UPS shipping hub is the place to go. </div></div>

I almost had that problem at a UPS store when I shipped a Nightforce in it's original box. I caught on quick though and lied and told her I used the box but inside were some car parts.
 
#13
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I have had the same prob at the Post Office. Hell I almost had the cops called on me for walking in with a factory Remington box under my arm. I had the counter person get the manager and then she had to call some other office to get their rules. Its fing pathetic when the people working there try and enforce rules that dont exist.
 
#14
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I've had this happen at a UPS store when shipping a shotgun. They said I had to take it to the distribution center. I had my wife take it back later that day(the UPS store is a block from my house, dist center is half an hour) and tell them it was something not prohibited at UPS stores. They took it no prob and it made it to the FFL without issue. I'm not saying you should lie, I'm just saying I did and it worked out.
 
#15
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UPS Store employees are the most ignorant of anybody affiliated with Big Brown, especially with regards to anything firearm related.

USPS employees aren't much better.

I'm fortunate I do all my UPS shipping from work, and the folks at my local USPS office could care less that I'm shipping a firearm or anything else.
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KNIGHT11B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Question,

Why were you having the smith install the scope?</div></div> .

I am going to his shop in Georgia to help him build my new tac rifle. We will also be breaking it in and coming up with the best load development so I want to have the scope I will using installed on it
 
#19
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I shipped a scope last week.The UPS guy was being trained by a higher up from their corperate office.He said they have a new rule requiring a Drivers license now.They shipped the scope and some ammo no problem though.
 
#22
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Damn it, i never got it. You should'nt have left it at my back door, we have a lot of theives around here.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Northland</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like when they left my surgeon by the back door when no one was home and it was issured for $5000.

At least I didn't have to go pick it up later lol</div></div>
 
#23
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I had a huge hassle with a UPS branch. They have the no gun parts rule as well. I was trying to send an AR barrel stripped. It was one of the most frustrating ordeals I've dealt with. Legal is Legal, if it can be left on my front step it should be allowed go through a UPS store.
 
#24
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I always ship FedEx and have yet to have a problem with guns or related equipment. The last thing I shipped was a 2.5-10x32 NXS. When the employee saw that the amount I had it insured for was $1500, he said "Im going to have to open it up to make sure its packed properly, due the high value." Since I didnt want to make a scene, I allowed it. I watched him open it up and examine my packing skills and then he said, "Oh I see, its medical equipment!" I almost shit myself trying not to laugh when I said, "YEP!" As we have all seen, they are not employing rocket surgeons at these joints.
 
#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">UPS Store employees are the most ignorant of anybody affiliated with Big Brown, especially with regards to anything firearm related.</div></div>

In terms of knowledge about firearms or shipping rules?

If it is shipping rules you are talking about, perhaps it is actually you who is ignorant? As pointed out, UPS stores are NOT UPS. They are private businesses staffed with people that are not employed by UPS, and they have their own rules, which is their right. One thing they won't do is ship firearms, and most won't ship anything gun related. Its a liability thing. They aren't owned by UPS and don't have the multi-million dollar lawyer team that UPS does if something goes wrong and someone tries to sue.
 
#28
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keyser Söze</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">UPS Store employees are the most ignorant of anybody affiliated with Big Brown, especially with regards to anything firearm related.</div></div>

In terms of knowledge about firearms or shipping rules?

If it is shipping rules you are talking about, perhaps it is actually you who is ignorant?</div></div>

In terms of UPS' own shipping rules & policies.

There is no blanket policy that UPS Store franchisees will not accept firearms-related items to ship.

I've worked for UPS in the past, and shipped items personally through a UPS Store...and to say I've seen folks working at the UPS Stores make things up would be an understatement.

If an employee of a UPS Store says "hey, its a policy our store owner has" that's one thing and the right of the franchisee. Saying "UPS won't accept this shipment", which I've heard more than once, is somewhere between total ignorance and an outright lie.

As for liability...that's what insurance is for.
 
#29
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It has been said lots of times in this thread already but the UPS Store are not UPS workers. I have had the same issues in our local UPS store when I have sent anything firearms related that the DA at the counter all but comes unnerved by the very thought that something might explode if he touches it. When I took a Precision rifle to the UPS depot to send off I insured it for 3K and the lady at the desk had to get her boss to come look at the item. You should have seen her face when I opened up the case - what is that? A rifle I said. Why is it so expensive? Now that is a question that is hard to answer to a person that has zero clue as to what she is looking at - where you start?
 
#30
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You guys have no creativity at all. I use the UPS store from time to time. The one kid that runs it is a hard worker & I admire that, but they clearly have the "UPS will not ship any gun related items" sign at the counter. They always ask, so I make stuff up.
Machine Parts
Rotary Copper Stabilizer
High Pressure Gravity Locator....

They don't bat an eye.
 
#31
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hootiewho</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys have no creativity at all. I use the UPS store from time to time. The one kid that runs it is a hard worker & I admire that, but they clearly have the "UPS will not ship any gun related items" sign at the counter. They always ask, so I make stuff up.
Machine Parts
Rotary Copper Stabilizer
High Pressure Gravity Locator....

They don't bat an eye. </div></div>

Bingo. I still have to ship Ammo through an actual UPS distribution center due to the packaging requirements (ORM-D stickers). I use the distribution centers to ship firearms too. Honestly, I'm starting to go there more and more because even though the UPS stores are close to home and convenient they mark up the shipping costs almost 100%. It costs me 11$ to ship a long gun to the east coast at the actual UPS hub, but a tiny box with a trigger and some other parts in it going to New Mexico cost me 17$ at the UPS store.
 
#33
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I still have to ship Ammo through an actual UPS distribution center due to the packaging requirements (ORM-D stickers). I use the distribution centers to ship firearms too. Honestly, I'm starting to go there more and more because even though the UPS stores are close to home and convenient they mark up the shipping costs almost 100%. It costs me 11$ to ship a long gun to the east coast at the actual UPS hub, but a tiny box with a trigger and some other parts in it going to New Mexico cost me 17$ at the UPS store. </div></div>

Why don't you just open an online shipping account? Its free, you get better rates, and you can pack everything at home at your own leisure and just drop it off at the hub or UPS Store.

I assumed everyone who ships more than once every few years has an online UPS/Fedex account. There is no reason not to. Unless you like higher prices and spending lots of time at the hub/UPS Store. Another perk of online account is you can order free shipping supplies. That alone likely will save you a few hundred bucks if you ship a lot of thing on ebay or GB or whatever.
 
#34
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Put this phrase in your vocabulary:

Surveying Equipment.

I have shipped numerous scopes and have always put that as the item description and never received a query once. I figure that's exactly what I'm using the scope for as a technical matter - surveying targets to determine minimum tolerable standards, conditions, & engagement probabilities before electing to commit to decisive course of action using a precision surveying instrument to properly align my heavy equipment to minimize deviation and other external variables. :)
 
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