Re: A tough choice between two rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Country</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 20 inch barrel is ok for pure tactical work and short range work as it is stiff for it's diameter and compact to carry and use. Police snipers don't usually need to shoot at much more than 200 to 300 anyway as it is too dangerous in an urban situation to shoot at long range and the risk of wind causing a miss and hitting the hostage is too great . Wind in a city with tall buildings is almost impossible to predict anyway with the tunneling and blocking effects of high rise .
Also a short barrel is more stealthy as it does not stick out so far and attract attention .
However hunting and target shooting is a different ball game . Longer range is a different ball game.
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Have you been watching "Shooter" lately? Savage not made as well as a Remington? Dude, please.
OP,
A 20" barrel is fine for the ranges that a 308 is effective. In fact, the owner of this site, Frank, uses an 18" barrel out to 1000 yards. Savage is renowned for out of the box accuracy. Remingtons are also well made. Each company has had its share of QC problems. I have personally owned a Savage 10fp and a Remington 700P. I had no issues with either platform. They both have plenty of aftermarket accessories, so you are not selling yourself short with either in terms of upgrades. Choose one and get to the range. Enjoy shooting.
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You can believe what ever you want dude but I know what good machining and good design is when I see it. I have seen the extractor on a Savage fly off into the grass . I have seen the bolt head jam up.
Savage shoot quite well because they do a lot of extra work on them to help accuracy but the basic design and quality of workmanship is low compared to some other guns. I am not nocking a Savage if that's what a person wants but it would not be my choice over a Remington . This thread was about comparing the two guns so post your opinion of the Savage but don't try to gag my opinion.
As far as short barrels go it's a personal choice . For tactical work or targets they can be ok . A 308 does not loose that much by being cut down and with the right bullet and load can shoot at long range in good conditions . However I would not cut down a hunting barrel to 18 inches the muzzel blast and flash is horrific especially at night or a 300 magnum less than 22 inch especially for hunting . I hada fried that swore by the short barrel theory and cut his barrel on A CZ way down . Theoreticly speaking the barrel was long enough to give full ballistics in the 22 rimfire round but too his constant irritation it still did not shoot as well as my standard length barrel in the exact same gun.
Getting a short barrel made from a quality blank is one thing and it can shoot well but cutting down a factory barrel that is shooting well could be a gamble . As you have no idea of how tight the bore specs are further down the barrel . You could end up with a better shooter or a worse shooter or just the same . If you don't believe me just ask your gunsmith if he will cut down the barrel and guarantee excatly the same accuracy as before or better. He's a brave man if he does.
