Suppressors AAC cyclone, or YHM phantom

[corey4]

i am forming the trust next week for myself, wife and my 2 year old son as a beneficiary.

here is my situation. one gun shop has YHM. the other has AAC. i have seen and put my hands on the YHM's, but not the AAC's yet. both shops already have these in stock.

i am getting a suppressor for a hand gun, XDm 3.8 compact 9mm with storm lake barrel, and one for a 5R .308.

the shop with the YHM pretty much said he would go with another brand for a hand gun, and he could get me what i wanted, but then i would have to wait even longer for the transfer to go thru.

i would rather buy both from the same dealer.

does anyone have hands on experience with both?

pro's, con's for each?

YHM phantom for the .308 5R, not sure what the 9mm hand gun model was. it was $550ish if that helps.

AAC cyclone for the .308 5R, and evolution for the 9mm.

thanks guys.

 

[normbal]

Re: AAC cyclone, or YHM phantom

I have a cyclone and 9mm eve can, no experience with the YHM line.

The cyclone works well, but not as well as an SRT Shadow of the same general design; it's louder, even with subtonics.

The Evo-9 came without the internal o-ring seals at the barrel end. I called multiple times, emailed, but AAC includes a little card with the info you need to order the right parts from Mcmaster-Carr's catalog at added expense and wait (I mean, WTH, you've already waited 7 months what's another couple of days?), and the eve-9 comes loose every five to ten rounds or so. You've got to REALLY REALLY torque it down and keep your non-shooting hand's fingers crossed. It's quiet enough, shooting subsonic 158 grain slugs you hear action noise and downrange thump. I just worry constantly that the next noise I'm going to hear is a very expensive baffle strike.

I also have two of AAC's QD-mount cans, an M1000 with the 18 tooth flash hider and a 7.62-SDN with the newer 52 tooth hider. Both wiggle, the M1000 comes loose - you ever try tightening a HOT 5.56mm can? - and are substandard engineering for the cost and effectiveness one expects for that much money in that application, and AAC doesn't answer post-sale email or pick up the phone (in my experience, others' may vary).

I would, honestly, NOT buy another AAC can and don't recommend them.

 

[Oddball Six]

Re: AAC cyclone, or YHM phantom

I wonder how common your AAC experience is recently. When a company experiences the demand that AAC has of late and has also diversified service lines besides, you have to wonder about product quality.

Input last night from Force Multiplier and others on this very subject seemed to indicate that while there are other options to consider for the same money, that the AAC products were perhaps still adequate as the wait time for NFA devies and the natural barriers to entry in the market for consumers meant that some of these principles may not apply as strongly to the manufacturer.

 

[Icallem]

Re: AAC cyclone, or YHM phantom

I own 2 of the AAC cans. I am still waiting on the form 4, so I have not got to use them. However with the questions I have called AAC with,,,,, well, there will not be anymore products from them for me. Their CS for me anyway has been lacking.

 

[corey4]

Re: AAC cyclone, or YHM phantom

i know a lot of people on here like the YHM's.

i am going to look for a thunder beast dealer around here too.

when the YHM dealer commented on finding another one for the 9mm, that kinda grabbed my attention.

 

[operator74656]

Re: AAC cyclone, or YHM phantom

I have 3 AAC cans and have had good experiences. I have had the Cyclone for over a year and it does not affect precision at all. My rifle is zeroed with the can on as it is the only way I shoot now.

 

[corey4]

Re: AAC cyclone, or YHM phantom

i drove 250 miles today to talk to dealers and look at suppressors. i am going to go for YHM for both the 9mm and .308.

i looked at YHM, AAC, and gemtech today. both dealers for AAC didn't make feel very comfortable with AAC. i asked about the concerns that you guys outlined, and they just kinda shrugged their shoulders, and gave me that look of yes, you are right. gemtech is just to damn expensive.

they both also couldn't give a straight answer as far as which one is better. it is awesome to know that when you go into a store, and ask technical questions, above and beyond, "which one is cheaper", that all the answers are, "umm..i don't know". whatever.

so i am going with the local guy that only sells YHM. i aksed why has wasn't happy with the YHM for a 9mm, and he said he just doesn't prefer it. i thought he was leading to that it was crappy. he said he prefers a heavier suppressor.

thanks for the input guys.

 

[normbal]

Re: AAC cyclone, or YHM phantom

I started with one can back in 1997 never thinking I'd eventually have ten of the things. That was several cans ago.

Welcome to the "club."

 

[HPLLC]

Re: AAC cyclone, or YHM phantom

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: corey4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
both dealers for AAC didn't make feel very comfortable with AAC. i asked about the concerns that you guys outlined, and they just kinda shrugged their shoulders, and gave me that look of yes, you are right. gemtech is just to damn expensive.
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This guy seems to be having a good time.

I think AAC has the better suppressor hands down, but the mounting system is weak. Surefire kicks their ass with their mounting system.

I'm not sure how YHM stacks up. The mounts are cheaper, and I don't hear much so it probably is fairly solid. The cost with YHM is that the can weighs more, and the mount weighs more also.

 

[corey4]

Re: AAC cyclone, or YHM phantom

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: corey4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
both dealers for AAC didn't make feel very comfortable with AAC. i asked about the concerns that you guys outlined, and they just kinda shrugged their shoulders, and gave me that look of yes, you are right. gemtech is just to damn expensive.
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This guy seems to be having a good time.

I think AAC has the better suppressor hands down, but the mounting system is weak. Surefire kicks their ass with their mounting system.

I'm not sure how YHM stacks up. The mounts are cheaper, and I don't hear much so it probably is fairly solid. The cost with YHM is that the can weighs more, and the mount weighs more also.

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a lot of people seem to be happy with YHM. the price is right too. $550 for the 9mm, and $617 for the 308. my dealer is $100 cheaper on each one over the other guys.

i agree with you on the mounting system on the AAC. it looked cheesy to me. but the then again, the guy didn't even have a QD for the AAC at the shop. all i got to see was that little ass "lock" spring.

 

[corey4]

Re: AAC cyclone, or YHM phantom

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: normbal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I started with one can back in 1997 never thinking I'd eventually have ten of the things. That was several cans ago.

Welcome to the "club." </div></div>

thanks!

 

[HPLLC]

Re: AAC cyclone, or YHM phantom

It seems to be the ratchet teeth that are the weak link in the mount. They multiplied the number of teeth to fix the wobble issue, and the teeth had to get more fine, so now the teeth are sharp like the teeth of a file, and it appears that metallurgically when the heat treat isn't perfect, one set of teeth cut the other. Now the $1200 cans have 30% more teeth, so one would think the problem would be even worse.