The AT also has QD sling mounts rather than HK loops, which I think is also a nice upgrade. There is an additional central QD mount just about the pistol grip.
The option for forend side Keyslot is also a nice addition. Although not a cheap upgrade if you want pic rails up front.
So far, I'm seeing no argument where the AW is worth investing in, despite being an Arctic Warfare and having the more classic style Thumbhole stock... on some models of it.
I've described the AT308 in the past as the "final and superior iteration of the AW" and I'm starting to believe I wasn't wrong in saying so.
I was bidding on an AW at auction a few years back and once the price started approaching AT level decided it wasn't worth it as the AT is basically the same rifle but with improvements.
In hindsight I should've bought it as it went quite cheap (considering) but the AT would still have been the better rifle.
are you saying that's what you paid for those guns and they were unfired? or thats what someone was asking?
The AT in my opinion is the final evolution of the AW. The quick change feature is great and definitely worth having. If that isn’t important to you then it really doesn’t offer anything that the AW does other than QD sling attachment points which isn’t a big thing to me personally.
I have had an AX, AXMC, AT, and an AW. The best stock option for me personally is the AXMC. It’s not as bulky and when it closes it captures the bolt which I think is nice for transport. The AX/AT stock to me is the least attractive and least comfortable. It just feels like a 2x4 attached to the rear of the rifle. The AW/thumbhole at least retains some of that classic look. I did switch out my AXMC to the GTAC conversion for the pistol grip. I do like the soft texture of the ergo grip but it’s also not a make or break feature. The AXSR has that fire control selector switch instead of the 3 position safety which is a deal killer for me. Going through all my rifles and if I had to choose one, it would either be the AT with thumbhole or AW. That may be because they are the two newest rifles but I am really enjoying shooting them a lot. Just my 2 cents
I have ADD when it comes to rifles and am constantly changing barrels around to the "Right" rifle for the day. When changing from AT to AXSA and vice versa, do your muzzle devices always line up correctly? Between these two rifles, one is always 180 degrees off.
I run mostly APA gen 3s with the ports on top. It doesn't matter if its a wintac barrel or a proof, if I put the ports at 12:00 on one rifle, when swap to the other its at 6:00.
I run mostly APA gen 3s with the ports on top. It doesn't matter if its a wintac barrel or a proof, if I put the ports at 12:00 on one rifle, when swap to the other its at 6:00.
I have the AXMC and AXSR. I was bummed about the change to the new safety and new trigger in the SR because I was used to the -MC. However, it has really been a non-issue. The SR safety still allows you to open the bolt with the safety ON, and it's "maybe" a little more convenient to operate. The SR also has a few new features that are pretty cool. Overall if I had to sell one it would probably be the SR, but that's just because I've had the MC longer and am more used to it. I really don't find any difference in shooting the two. So, in short, don't let the safety be a deal killer if the opportunity arises. It's fine.
you guys know the best way to cut the monopod hole on AT skins? Dremel? Exacto knife? I dont have a table mounted scroll saw or that would be the ticket. Coping Saw?
I'm partial to the 7th Axis CNC myself.you guys know the best way to cut the monopod hole on AT skins? Dremel? Exacto knife? I dont have a table mounted scroll saw or that would be the ticket. Coping Saw?
I haven’t blown up yet, could be a headspace issue. I really thought they would be closer than what they are.
I’m not a machinist but maybe how the threads are cut into the action? Idk
I have an AX and an AT with thumbhole skins, so this isn’t exactly the comparo you wanted. Hopefully it’ll help, though.
Keep in mind that I shoot from a bench or tripod, not prone.
The quick adjustments on the AX are nice, but you can add a quick adjust buttplate AX-style to the AT (up/down/cant, not LOP).
For me the biggest diff is the folding side and especially the way my bag works with the butt. On the bench, at least, a regular bag works well with an AX. Tuck it right in before the hook.
The AT thumbhole is still a bit of a puzzle for me to use a bag gracefully. I have been tucking it in the big hook area…it’s a really tall gap. Seems like my bags are either too short or too tall, my bipod is too high or too short, and my bag hand can interfere just a little with the shooting hand sometimes. Using the bottom of the AT hook forces me to crank the bipod up way too high. I’d need a darn baby highchair lol.
I think the AW’s much lower gap in the hook area would be better for rear bags. Plus it’s flat vs the AT’s curved thing.
Maybe when prone this is a non-issue?
I probably need to goof with it more. A lot more. But any tips with rear bags and the AT would be appreciated.
That is helpful. Rear bag placement is something that I was keeping in mind. Looks to be limited space on the standard AT. I have a family member I could probably get an actual AT LE from so I was considering it. Or just picked up a used fixed stock AT and do a conversion.
Really we’re just comparing a fully adjustable stock vs the thumbhole. Which as noted above you set and it lives there forever anyways. I fold my stock to clean and what not or pull the barrel. So although I have thumbscrews on my cheek piece I still rarely remove it
My AXMC had a much higher feel to it then my AT or ATX does. The AX on the AT should have a similar feel to the ATX I would think.
Plus the AT thumbhole is the sexy sister to the AW
The AT with an AX looks like two second cousins who were left alone to long in Mississippi
This’ll prolly piss off a bunch of people:
The AT thumb hole is difficult to use with a rear bag, mostly because of he big goofy D shaped hook.
I always figured they were trying to sell monopods or something….
This is why the first thing I did when I bought my AT was put a set old AICS butt skins on it.
I came to my AT already owning many transgender rifles- I have been running AICSs on everything since 2003 or 04.
Note the one AT chassis in this picture has early butt skins on it. That’s a 1959 US marked 22LR 40X that I’ve vandalized, BTW.
I’m fortunate because 99% of my shooting (other than load development and zeroing) is prone on this big square 1000 yard range.
Sure, I’m using the same old dopey bunny ear bag and I run a Harris and the exact same scope bases and rings on everything but all this shit has all been working for me on this range for the past twenty years.
Okay boomer….
The AT thumb hole is difficult to use with a rear bag, mostly because of he big goofy D shaped hook.
I always figured they were trying to sell monopods or something….
This is why the first thing I did when I bought my AT was put a set old AICS butt skins on it.
I came to my AT already owning many transgender rifles- I have been running AICSs on everything since 2003 or 04.
Note the one AT chassis in this picture has early butt skins on it. That’s a 1959 US marked 22LR 40X that I’ve vandalized, BTW.
I’m fortunate because 99% of my shooting (other than load development and zeroing) is prone on this big square 1000 yard range.
Sure, I’m using the same old dopey bunny ear bag and I run a Harris and the exact same scope bases and rings on everything but all this shit has all been working for me on this range for the past twenty years.
Okay boomer….
Just so we’re clear, I have a full AX rifle. The AX buttstock on the AT may not have the same dimensions, re: distance from the buttstock to the ground when on the AX rifle.
But anyway, this graphic shows what I am attempting to explain. You can see the quite different amount of bag that appears above the blue line.
The blue line is at the screw hole as I believe the grips are pretty much the same. And yes, I faked the thumbhole. Pics from Eurooptic.
From what I can tell the AX stock on an AT would line up in right about the same spot. I'd probably have to run the high action rail on an AT for the cheek weld to be right. Not sure if that's still lower than the AX rail.
I bought an AT because I loved the old school look and the price ,and sold it to buy an AX for the adjustability .
you have to choose one or buy both since they are still available or wait for the new ATXC .
but I am pretty sure that when the ATXC will arrive (perhaps between 2025 and 2035…) you will find plenty of both in the PX .
you have to choose one or buy both since they are still available or wait for the new ATXC .
but I am pretty sure that when the ATXC will arrive (perhaps between 2025 and 2035…) you will find plenty of both in the PX .
I prefer the regular AT front end as opposed to the AX. I don't really need all the attachment points. Also don't really like the more comp style chassis of the ATXC. I think a gun store by me usually has a few AI's maybe I'll go take a look.
I hate all the stabby bits that dig into you and get caught on everything for a rifle being used in the field carried, slung etc,
I had the opportunity to play with an AT-X next to an AT and felt the AT was but far the nicer handling rifle, if it was a field shooting/hunting rifle it was the easy choice. The AT-X however had much better features for a race gun, and it was really obvious.
As I just posted above, playing with the rifles next to each other definitely shows the strengths and weaknesses of each model.
If you can, I'd say try playing with the rifles before buying.
Yeah I need to get my hands on some. I shot an AT years ago with the standard stock configuration but don't remember much about it. I think I'm still leaning towards thumbhole. Can always add the AX stock if I really want to. That AT LE in the PX was damn sexy and got me thinkin.
I never even considered running ONLY the rear AW era thumbhole skins on a folder AT... now I need to find some and try this.
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Yes, I agree the AT is a far more sleek and comfortable rifle for the field than an AX. Especially in cold weather.
(Never held an AT-X, but it still has lots of exposed metal)
That's what someone was asking. It was a personal collection from someone at HEAT. Not sure if they've sold or not..
I guarantee if you run Cherry balms bolt balm you will never feel a smoother action in your life !
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I've been partial to the Birchwood Rig Gun Grease, but I'd be interested in trying that out.
RIG® Universal™Gun Grease, 3 oz. Jar
www.birchwoodcasey.com
I got a sniper instructor who tells me he's got a tub of this Rig grease and swears by it in his MK22.
I'd also like to try out Lucas Red n Tacky, although while I hear it's too sticky for a sniper rifle in the field, I hear it's a good choice for competition rifles. Also curious about Lucas Gun Grease too.
Any current/former B4s, 0317s, or other former snipers got a favorite grease they run? I'm curious too what the Accuracy International has been partial to.
I guarantee if you try the bolt butter you will never go back. I will post a pic of the stuff when I get home. Hopefully it’s still available, last time I ordered the cherry balms black rifle lube it literally was about 7 months before I got the order. They sent me 2 extra bottles for the inconvenience. I run that black rifle lube on my bolt lugs.
Been using this for as long as I can remember…started back when it was like $5~ for the tube. Use it on all of my systems (Glocks, LMTs, AXSR). Shit is great and fits in the spare parts kit in the pack.
I also have a tube of the RIG and it’s good too, I just don’t use it as much (no particular reason, just more as backup).
EDIT: umm I mean TW25 sucks. Don’t buy it. The price is too high and I don’t need it going higher. umm it’s terrible don’t use it.
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Been using this for as long as I can remember…started back when it was like $5~ for the tube. Use it on all of my systems (Glocks, LMTs, AXSR). Shit is great and fits in the spare parts kit in the pack.
I also have a tube of the RIG and it’s good too, I just don’t use it as much (no particular reason, just more as backup).
EDIT: umm I mean TW25 sucks. Don’t buy it. The price is too high and I don’t need it going higher. umm it’s terrible don’t use it.
wow $13 an ounce now
I use both the TW25B and the CherryBalmz Bolt butter.
I keep one in the field pack and one on the bench. Both are equivalent and make the action run as smoothly as silk.
I keep one in the field pack and one on the bench. Both are equivalent and make the action run as smoothly as silk.
Dude it’s insane. I really hesitated with the last purchase. It’s good but holy fuck, I’ll probably just use a mixture of my tears and bacon grease if money gets tight rather than buy again at that price.
I’ve been using 80-90wt after I discovered a buddy of mine was using it on the bolt of his 50BMG AI ELR.
I got down behind his rifle to check out his new scope and I could smell 80-90….
I’ve been using it on my AT and it’s made a difference.
Don’t use any with Motorctaft Friction Additive….
I got down behind his rifle to check out his new scope and I could smell 80-90….
I’ve been using it on my AT and it’s made a difference.
Don’t use any with Motorctaft Friction Additive….
If you want to keep using gear oil, but also wish that your time spent behind the rifle was less odoriferous, they make grape scented gear oil.
I use Slip 2k Extreme Weapons Grease, which is comparable in price to TW25. However, I have only used maybe 0.1-0.2 oz in 5k rounds of the 1.5oz jar. When I did use TW25, I noticed I needed to use much more to feel the same amount of lubricity, and I burned through 3/4 of the TW25 in about 2k rounds.
you couldnt pay me enough to put gear oil on ANYTHING i own, much less a gun.
i burned my clothes after rebuilding my AX-15 and clutch/bearings. Guess what it used as fluid? you guessed it!......
Frank Stallone!
i mean, its hard to convince me any of these low volume, sold by the ounce "grease" and "lubes" is ANY better than these that can be had for about 50 cents an ounce.
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yes, i think then a Storm 3100 will work easily. thats 2 inches of foam on either side as its inside dimension is 36.375"
I see yours is a 14. Anybody know what year they started fluting the bolts on these? It seems most I've seen have been fluted.
Per out of stock notification, AW magazines now in stock at Area 419 as of 1pm on April 25, 2024.
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