Received my parts from sporting services today. I swear the bags smell like tea.
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20k for .338
17k for .300
15k for .308
Yes his prices were high.. but unfired AWs tickled me fancy. I thought my offer of 12 was more than fair. He says he's got buyers for asking though so.. yeah haha.
Personally I think the guy is insane. I do like the quick adjust Cheek riser, buttstock, and monopod on the 308 and 300. Some may not like those features but I do. I think he is going to be holding on to them for a long time.
I do have a question which I feel is valid for this thread, as I hope it can be explained with photos and photo examples: What are the functional differences between the AW and the AT? I know the AT offers the quick-change barrel, and that makes the AT desireable. But other than the classic thumbhole stock, what makes the AW so desireable over the AT?
In my opinion....the only thing that makes the AW desirable is its history for that particular model. The AT is its superior in every way other than that with its QL barrel feature and better trigger. If there are any other differences I dont know them.
As noted it’s just the history behind the AW that makes it iconic. Be military collectors or even just old video game enthusiasts. Everyone recognizes the AW.
Even though I prefer the thumbhole AT for the quickloc and what not I still think it be cool to own an AW. The AW were decently “cheap” on the used market when the AT came out. Obviously not the case anymore which also makes them more attractive as the value keeps going up.
Probably see used AT prices creep up as well now. Even in the px they seem to be coming up in $$. I paid like $3,000 for my camo/green AT you see in the pics here. I’m willing to bet if I sold it I’d be money ahead today
Was still a 2 stage but different design than what is in the AT. Most noticeable is how it adjusts and the addition of the trigger shoe and trigger shoe bar being separate and adjustable. The AW trigger shoe was "fixed" and was part of the whole system. See below for the AW part you can see, pretty obvious those differences with the AT. I never felt an AW trigger but the AT is one of my favorites to date of any trigger and easily my favorite of any factory rifle.
One of the bigger differences I feel between the AW and AT/ATX is that the AW is a much smoother cycling gun.
Functionally they feel and shoot the same. The AT has the quick barrel change feature which is an upgrade. The bolt feels the same manipulating it. The mag changes feel the same and the grip feels the same. Honestly, shooting them back to back they feel like the same rifle. The AW is appealing to me personally because of the history. When I first got into long range shooting, the AX was just coming out and I had to have the latest AI model. After shooting and owning several AIs over the years, I fell in love with the brand. Then I bought the Green Meanie book and I loved reading about the history of the brand. So I decided I wanted to go back and get the most classic AI out there and the AW is the closest to the L96A1 I could get. I wish I would have just gotten AW instead of the AX as my first rifle but I was young and dumb.
Anyone have a line on the cleaning kit in the ASR deployment kit? Or even just the boreguide.
I'm in a similar boat. I had the chance to get a police trade-in AW. There were three available. Ended up not and went with a brand new AT instead. It's hard to regret the choice though, especially having the Thumbhole stock.
Wife shooting at 300yds for first time. Shes hooked.
I recently bought a rem 700 with this non folder chassis on it. I don't like these chassis and it has been several years since I have sold one. Does anyone have an idea of what I should post it for in the PX? It has the monopod on it too.
Not trying to sell in this thread, but asking for help since I can't find any comps to guide me.
Not trying to sell in this thread, but asking for help since I can't find any comps to guide me.
Is it a short action? Is it unmolested?
Unmodified SAs are popular, even if it’s only a 1.5.
If you want the most money, put it on the big rapacious anti gun auction platform and take your chances.
If you’re not interested in doing that, think of what you absolutely have to get for it, add $250 and put it up for sale.
You don’t need to respond to this, just consider it. As a matter of fact, I recommend you don’t.
Unmodified SAs are popular, even if it’s only a 1.5.
If you want the most money, put it on the big rapacious anti gun auction platform and take your chances.
If you’re not interested in doing that, think of what you absolutely have to get for it, add $250 and put it up for sale.
You don’t need to respond to this, just consider it. As a matter of fact, I recommend you don’t.
I think this good advice. The price on these tend to be all over the place depending on features, color, and condition. Is the monopod a factory add on? I can’t seem to remember if that particular monopod was a factory option or just aftermarket. The long action tan ones from the mk13 (?) era seem to get big money as well.
Who has experience with the AT in both thumbhole and AX stock configuration? I like the classic look with the thumbhole skins but something about the AT LE configuration attracts me. Not sure if I really need the extra adjustability and more fasteners of the AX stock though.
I've had thumb hole skins, the Pre-2014 back end, post 2014 back end, ATX and AXSR... To be honest, I think the Pre-2014 back end was the most comfortable and most practical.
Practically, once you set the LOP, it rarely changes much so all the knobs, latches and crap are fairly unhelpful for the most part. People FROTH over complicated, heavy, sharp edged knobs and locks... The smooth plastic skins with rounded edges, allen key adjustments and slip in shims for LOP... That was peak AI.
The AT as it comes out of the box, is a premium rifle that is ready to go.
The cheek height adjustment thumb screws however were nice to have though.
I do miss this rifle, should have kept it forever.
I've never used a buttplate with adjustable cant or height and I don't really think it would wow me. Comb height and length of pull is enough for me. I also prefer the simple forend of the AT, I don't need all the rail space of an AX.
Why quibble? Buy both of them. Everyone needs an AT and an AX or AXMC
AXSR is a good place to start (and stop).
I love having the adjustable can't and height of the butt pad.... Being able to shift the cheek rest over is also something I refuse to live without anymore... Peak ai with a 3 position safety please and a og trigger
The AT also has QD sling mounts rather than HK loops, which I think is also a nice upgrade. There is an additional central QD mount just about the pistol grip.
The option for forend side Keyslot is also a nice addition. Although not a cheap upgrade if you want pic rails up front.
So far, I'm seeing no argument where the AW is worth investing in, despite being an Arctic Warfare and having the more classic style Thumbhole stock... on some models of it.
I've described the AT308 in the past as the "final and superior iteration of the AW" and I'm starting to believe I wasn't wrong in saying so.
I was bidding on an AW at auction a few years back and once the price started approaching AT level decided it wasn't worth it as the AT is basically the same rifle but with improvements.
In hindsight I should've bought it as it went quite cheap (considering) but the AT would still have been the better rifle.
are you saying that's what you paid for those guns and they were unfired? or thats what someone was asking?
The AT in my opinion is the final evolution of the AW. The quick change feature is great and definitely worth having. If that isn’t important to you then it really doesn’t offer anything that the AW does other than QD sling attachment points which isn’t a big thing to me personally.
I have had an AX, AXMC, AT, and an AW. The best stock option for me personally is the AXMC. It’s not as bulky and when it closes it captures the bolt which I think is nice for transport. The AX/AT stock to me is the least attractive and least comfortable. It just feels like a 2x4 attached to the rear of the rifle. The AW/thumbhole at least retains some of that classic look. I did switch out my AXMC to the GTAC conversion for the pistol grip. I do like the soft texture of the ergo grip but it’s also not a make or break feature. The AXSR has that fire control selector switch instead of the 3 position safety which is a deal killer for me. Going through all my rifles and if I had to choose one, it would either be the AT with thumbhole or AW. That may be because they are the two newest rifles but I am really enjoying shooting them a lot. Just my 2 cents
I have ADD when it comes to rifles and am constantly changing barrels around to the "Right" rifle for the day. When changing from AT to AXSA and vice versa, do your muzzle devices always line up correctly? Between these two rifles, one is always 180 degrees off.
I run mostly APA gen 3s with the ports on top. It doesn't matter if its a wintac barrel or a proof, if I put the ports at 12:00 on one rifle, when swap to the other its at 6:00.
I run mostly APA gen 3s with the ports on top. It doesn't matter if its a wintac barrel or a proof, if I put the ports at 12:00 on one rifle, when swap to the other its at 6:00.
I have the AXMC and AXSR. I was bummed about the change to the new safety and new trigger in the SR because I was used to the -MC. However, it has really been a non-issue. The SR safety still allows you to open the bolt with the safety ON, and it's "maybe" a little more convenient to operate. The SR also has a few new features that are pretty cool. Overall if I had to sell one it would probably be the SR, but that's just because I've had the MC longer and am more used to it. I really don't find any difference in shooting the two. So, in short, don't let the safety be a deal killer if the opportunity arises. It's fine.
you guys know the best way to cut the monopod hole on AT skins? Dremel? Exacto knife? I dont have a table mounted scroll saw or that would be the ticket. Coping Saw?
I'm partial to the 7th Axis CNC myself.you guys know the best way to cut the monopod hole on AT skins? Dremel? Exacto knife? I dont have a table mounted scroll saw or that would be the ticket. Coping Saw?
I haven’t blown up yet, could be a headspace issue. I really thought they would be closer than what they are.
I’m not a machinist but maybe how the threads are cut into the action? Idk
I have an AX and an AT with thumbhole skins, so this isn’t exactly the comparo you wanted. Hopefully it’ll help, though.
Keep in mind that I shoot from a bench or tripod, not prone.
The quick adjustments on the AX are nice, but you can add a quick adjust buttplate AX-style to the AT (up/down/cant, not LOP).
For me the biggest diff is the folding side and especially the way my bag works with the butt. On the bench, at least, a regular bag works well with an AX. Tuck it right in before the hook.
The AT thumbhole is still a bit of a puzzle for me to use a bag gracefully. I have been tucking it in the big hook area…it’s a really tall gap. Seems like my bags are either too short or too tall, my bipod is too high or too short, and my bag hand can interfere just a little with the shooting hand sometimes. Using the bottom of the AT hook forces me to crank the bipod up way too high. I’d need a darn baby highchair lol.
I think the AW’s much lower gap in the hook area would be better for rear bags. Plus it’s flat vs the AT’s curved thing.
Maybe when prone this is a non-issue?
I probably need to goof with it more. A lot more. But any tips with rear bags and the AT would be appreciated.
That is helpful. Rear bag placement is something that I was keeping in mind. Looks to be limited space on the standard AT. I have a family member I could probably get an actual AT LE from so I was considering it. Or just picked up a used fixed stock AT and do a conversion.
Really we’re just comparing a fully adjustable stock vs the thumbhole. Which as noted above you set and it lives there forever anyways. I fold my stock to clean and what not or pull the barrel. So although I have thumbscrews on my cheek piece I still rarely remove it
My AXMC had a much higher feel to it then my AT or ATX does. The AX on the AT should have a similar feel to the ATX I would think.
Plus the AT thumbhole is the sexy sister to the AW
The AT with an AX looks like two second cousins who were left alone to long in Mississippi
This’ll prolly piss off a bunch of people:
The AT thumb hole is difficult to use with a rear bag, mostly because of he big goofy D shaped hook.
I always figured they were trying to sell monopods or something….
This is why the first thing I did when I bought my AT was put a set old AICS butt skins on it.
I came to my AT already owning many transgender rifles- I have been running AICSs on everything since 2003 or 04.
Note the one AT chassis in this picture has early butt skins on it. That’s a 1959 US marked 22LR 40X that I’ve vandalized, BTW.
I’m fortunate because 99% of my shooting (other than load development and zeroing) is prone on this big square 1000 yard range.
Sure, I’m using the same old dopey bunny ear bag and I run a Harris and the exact same scope bases and rings on everything but all this shit has all been working for me on this range for the past twenty years.
Okay boomer….
The AT thumb hole is difficult to use with a rear bag, mostly because of he big goofy D shaped hook.
I always figured they were trying to sell monopods or something….
This is why the first thing I did when I bought my AT was put a set old AICS butt skins on it.
I came to my AT already owning many transgender rifles- I have been running AICSs on everything since 2003 or 04.
Note the one AT chassis in this picture has early butt skins on it. That’s a 1959 US marked 22LR 40X that I’ve vandalized, BTW.
I’m fortunate because 99% of my shooting (other than load development and zeroing) is prone on this big square 1000 yard range.
Sure, I’m using the same old dopey bunny ear bag and I run a Harris and the exact same scope bases and rings on everything but all this shit has all been working for me on this range for the past twenty years.
Okay boomer….
Just so we’re clear, I have a full AX rifle. The AX buttstock on the AT may not have the same dimensions, re: distance from the buttstock to the ground when on the AX rifle.
But anyway, this graphic shows what I am attempting to explain. You can see the quite different amount of bag that appears above the blue line.
The blue line is at the screw hole as I believe the grips are pretty much the same. And yes, I faked the thumbhole. Pics from Eurooptic.
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