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      "widget.xfrm_overview_top_authors" => ""
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Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

Tom Sarver

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This is a continued disussion from the 240 SMK thread under Beyond 1000 yards out of respect for the moderators we moved it here.

This is the set up I use for achieving the most precise bullet seating alignment possible for the most accurate bullet flight possible for long range precision shooting.
It starts with an inline bullet seater. It can be custom made or a Wilson is very popular. (type in Wilson Inline Chamber type bullet seater in your prefered search engine). It is a body die with a bullet seating stem above that when used with a arbor press pushes the bullet into the case perfectly straight. We custom make these for our customers when we build rifles for them. It must be machined by a competent smith or machinist for maximum tolerance..or in simple terms STRAIGHT. The center of the stem MUST be perfectly aligned in the center of the seating die. The bullet aligns perfectly in the same space the bullet seating stems rests.
Now, if your brass has perfect or no run out the bullet will be pressed perfectly straight down into your case. The center of the bullet is now center perfectly with the center of the flash hole.
If you could draw an imaginary line from the top of the bullet straight down through the case it would exit out the primer pocket/flash hole and would again be perfectly centered with no run out.
If your chamber is straight in your rifle and your action/bolt face is true and your dies are CUSTOM made by a machinist and your using this bullet seating method you will for sure launch your bullets much straighter out of your tube which means at long range much tighter groups and better scores. It is a series of events that much be followed to achieve this. And it starts with your rifle. You can load the most accurate ammo possible but if your rifle isnt true as in bolt face, raceway and barrel bore to boltface firing pinhole none of it matters. Yes, good ammo is always going to shoot better but when we are talking baout splitting hairs it ALL must perfect. Then the shooter has the pull the trigger with no human error and correct dope elevation/windage to get the bullet to it's intended target precisely. It never ceases to amaze me how many times I hear a tactical/sniper shooter who says "I dont care about groups or shooting groups at long range it where I hit the target" as in score. Well, if your bullets not coming out straight and your weapon system isn't up to par then your not going to have as high of a first shot hit percentage rate as the shooter who does. Yes a lot of off the shelf rifles or non custom rifles shoot great. I tune dozens and dozens of them and train the men who own them. But they will never out shoot a custom gun that is custom made loaded with these technics. The difference between a 3/4 MOA rifle and a 1/4 MOA rifle is day and nite. The reality is a most rifles are about 1 MOA or slightly better 50% of the time. There are sub 1/2 MOA rifles and thats where it at for a long range tactical PRECISION rifle. It is more forgiving if the shooter is off on his windage and elevation. Please dont get me wrong. Yes I know that there are shooters out there who have factory rifles that can just plain shoot or out shoot a guy with a custom rifle with what they have. But what I'm saying is if they had a custom rifle built true and hand loaded their ammo to the specs we suggest they would always shoot much more precise. And we all like to use the word precision so we owe it to ourselves to give that word respect as for the men who achieve it. There is always room for improvement in most shooters set ups to the point of diminishing returns. But when a shooters gets there he knows it.
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

Can you explain how this compares to a forster co-ax?

It would seem that press design with the floating shell jaws and floating die would accomplish the same thing, with a much easier to use interface. Granted it would still require a die that is machined straight.

If My runout is 1-2 thou on the outside on average... would this setup improve upon that somehow?

In any event, thanks for the detailed description on how to use an arbor press. I've not seen one run before, so that was interesting.
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

KP,

I have no experience with the Forster co-ax.
But I do know this method when machined correctly will produce 0-1 run out . As for ease of use I can load/seat 50 rounds in less than 10 mins and that's without rushing it.
Again obtaining perfect runout or none I should say involves everything in your loading equip. to be as true as possible and good componants.

I can and will go into more detail for those who care to listen as for why it's important to have trued reloading equipment and a trued rifle.
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tom Sarver</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I can and will go into more detail for those who care to listen as for why it's important to have trued reloading equipment and a trued rifle. </div></div>

I would love to hear more, just for the sake of gathering knowledge. I probably won't stop using my co-ax, but I like seeing how others do things as well.

I'm starting a thread in regard to manual runout correction. I'd appreciate you stopping by and offering your input.
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

KP,

Ok, now after looking at the press your talking about I can just about ensure you the inline bullet seater is a better method. I will attemp to show a video of the loading process I use. Forster makes a GREAT press and yes their press would be an accuracy improvement when it comes to FL sizing brass. But then again there is even a better way. I use a full length body die and an arbor press combo and that is as straight as you can get.
I also use a single stage RCBS rock chucker, which the Forster my be better I dont know. But I have minimum run out when the cases are loaded. Some day when I get time I want to build a custom press precision reloading. Have to get some irons out of the fire first. Reloading for 20 years has made me realize there is a better way. Even the advanced hand loading technics I learned shooting 1000 yard BR have room for improvement, especially the tools used for doing so. I actually learned/stumbled on a few more things after breaking two world records that I'm currently working on in the relentless pursuit of precision accuracy.
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

Will do, and by all means continue using your preferred press. I read the reviews and it looks great!
The main point of what I was trying to explain (which I know I'm not good at..lol) is that the more precise you can seat your bullet in a case that has perfect runout the more accurate your round will be when fired out a quailty rifle and even better out of a trued rifle. I have some info on another press I will look up and post it here for you.
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

Excellent thread. The proof is in your record group. I will bet that 99.9% of us "tactical shooters" myself included do not go through this reloading process. No excuse for that either when you consider the cost of custom dies versus the cost of a custom rifle.

A little off the subject but does the "Intimidator" record holder use your reloading setup?
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

I've giving karl some tips over the years when it comes to reloading and shooting. I am not exactly sure what he is using these days for his reloading set up. I will see if he can add to this, but I know the total system works. A lot of the near misses on the Intimidator are caused by more than just incorrect range estimation and windage dope. It's inconsistant bullet flight. Ever notice when you shoot at a plate and miss a little low left then high right then somewhere else? Yes, a lot of time its shooter error and conditions but just what if it's something else. Well, a lot of time it is. Shoot a group on paper at 1000 yards and you will see. Hope to see you soon.
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

Tom,

How do you prep the brass for your 300 Hulk? Do you prep the brass on your tactical rifle at all? What differences have you noticed concerning accuracy?

As soon as I started using a arbor press and a custom made die for my 6x47L the run out became almost non existant.
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

Tom, I am a newb just getting to a point in which I will be purchasing re-loading equipment to load 308 and 338LM for precision. I am a person that would prefer to purchase correctly the first time and to learn from the best. As your are a world record holder, that makes you the one to listen to. What tips can you give as to equipment,process and literature needed to get me heading in the right direction? As always, Thanks Tommy
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tom Sarver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It starts with an inline bullet seater. It can be custom made or a Wilson is very popular. (type in Wilson Inline Chamber type bullet seater in your prefered search engine). It is a body die with a bullet seating stem above that when used with a arbor press pushes the bullet into the case perfectly straight. </div></div>

This is the way the benchresters do it... But German Salazar did a test a while back and found the Redding Competition Seater made straighter rounds. Look Here.

The Forster was not tested, but it is basically the same design as the Redding. He used a Rock Chucker for the threaded dies and an Arbor press for the Wilson inline die (no mention of which).

Now one of the advantages of the inline style is that you can use the K&M Arbor Press, which has a gauge showing seating force... great for insuring consistent seating tension.

I used to be a believer in inline seaters until I saw someone actually take the time to do a comparison... and he did it in quite a methodical and scientific way. Maybe his technique could use some work with the Wilson, but he was as surprised at the results as most are. It is assumed inline is better, but I guess the floating design used by Redding and Forster is really effective.
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

I have not used inline dies, but I did read that write-up a while back and just based on what I read switched from RCBS FL dies to a Redding Comp seater in conjunction with a Lee collet neck sizer and a Redding body die for when the shoulder needed to be nudged.

The first thing I noticed was that the runout on sized brass virtually disappeared. With the RCBS it varied from .002-.003" and did not improve or get worse with seating (I used the "seat half way rotate 180 deg. finish seat" method}.

The Lee/Redding combo consistently produces loaded ammo in the .001 to 'so small I can't measure it' runout. My 300WM is shooting the best it ever has also, which is probably a combination of a lot of factors, but seeing this kind of improvement in tangible numbers gives me the confidence that my ammo is as good as I can make it when it goes bang. I think that IS worth something.

John
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

He did not say he had never heard of it. He said he had no experience with one.

The inline dies are also great for reloading at the range.

The best threaded dies I have ever had came from Hornady. I sent Lonnie Hummel four fired cases and my shell holder and he had dies made that were perfect. No discernable runout, and sized about two thousandths everywhere else. Also the neck tension was as requested.
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

As I said, there are a lot of tools and techniques that I have used to get me where I'm at today. I dont claim to know it all but I know enough, and again enough to get me to where I am. You have no experience with a CUSTOM made Inline buller seater die so should I "pause" about your statement? The Forster is junk compared to whats really available.
And, I was comparing SEATING bullets, not floating heads that size brass. You can have all the floating heads you want but if the press..threads..DIES and every thing touching the case and bullet aren't STRAIGHT then it can't compare to what I use. But again, what do I know. If you doubt my knowledge and skill as a reloader and precision shooter then google the .300 HULK and 1000 yard IBS shooting archives since 2003. If that doesn't work bring your best loads on out and we will shoot groups and scores at 1000 yards and some steel on the Intimidator to compare. I'm always up to for learning new stuff. I'm just trying to help those who need it, obviously you don't need the help or advice.
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

Sandwarrior,

I once shot four 4" groups in a row at 1000 yards in high wind at the 2005 Iowa state match six targets total if I remember correctly five of the 6 were 4" groups and one 6"?
Anyways I won all my relays and shoot offs and the light gun class championship. I used a method similar to your video but I used a custom made base that I sat my case in and press the spent primer out and size the neck with a precisioned machined body/form die to keep it all straight. I spin my bullets on a Juenke machine and soted my brass the same way. Absolutely perfect in every way you could measure...were these cartridges. I went to win in a place I never shot before that was known for high wind and tough shooting.
I shot fast, 5 rounds in 6-8 seconds flat. The same method I've used for years...loading and shooting form. That was when I was competitive with myself. Two years later I broke two world records using these and even more learned methods to produce the accuracy needed and skill to achieve that goal. I'm still learning, and I hope to continue to learn or I will get bored and quit. My heart belongs to tactical and prone shooting but long range BR is one key to learning more.
thanks for the vid!
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

Carter,

This is true to some degree. but if your dies and inline seater are custom made by a TRUE machinist then there is no way a Redding will seat the bullets straighter than an inline die. I've tried different methods and that's why I had my dies custom made to reduce all the run out possible. I'm in no way saying your wrong but a mass produced unit..unless it is trued somehow then I would be hard pressed to change what I use. When a loaded round makes the needle on a Juenke machine just twitch then I have to believe what I'm doing is working, not to mention the groups the print on the target at 1000 yards.
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

When I'm serious, yes prep like I'm shooting a 1000 yard match.
Most of the time though I just size and do an accurate powder charge..as in exactly 87.00 grains.
I have shot 2" groups at 1000 yards waking up the morning of the match after a hard night before and simply size my brass, add a primer, add powder, reach in the box of bullets and seat them. No weighing or sorting nothing fancy. Then go out and shoot 2"-3" five shot groups. It helps have straight dies and truely trued rifle..and good hand eye coordination. You get what you put into it to some degree.
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

I bought mine in 2003 for $850.00
I recently sold a brand new one Mr. Juenke built fro me for $1200.00
the going price. Do they work, yes and very well, if you know how to use it properly and IF you can find one.

Nope, haven't seen him for sometime.
Terry?
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

We custom machine them then in house.
Other great smiths would be Leonard Baity, Dave Tooley, Bruce Baer,
Gordy Gritters to name a few. There is a science to it but it involves everything your case touches till the bullet leaves the barrel. That's why records don't get broke every day. If it were easy everyone would be doing it. Hard work and dedication will get you there, or at least very close. Use these skills in a tactical rifle and watch your one shot hit percentages go up. Consistant pressure = consitant velocity which equals consistant MOA to a specific target.
Hope that helps.
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

Tom, with reference to new brass versus fired brass....... Do you fireform your new brass prior to counting on it for accuracy and use with a custom set of dies. If you do fireform first, how many firings do you use before you count on it for use in the custom dies?
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tom Sarver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I'm serious, yes prep like I'm shooting a 1000 yard match.
Most of the time though I just size and do an accurate powder charge..as in exactly 87.00 grains.
I have shot 2" groups at 1000 yards waking up the morning of the match after a hard night before and simply size my brass, add a primer, add powder, reach in the box of bullets and seat them. No weighing or sorting nothing fancy. Then go out and shoot 2"-3" five shot groups. It helps have straight dies and truely trued rifle..and good hand eye coordination. You get what you put into it to some degree.
</div></div>

Thanks Tom.

How do you prioritize which steps of brass prep are most important and what do you consider a waist if time or of little benefit.

Lets see if I can think of them all??? Also,to what tolerance is acceptable to you.

Outside neck turning,inside neck reaming,polishing insides of the neck,trimming to length,deburing flash holes,reaming flash holes,uniforming primer pockets,checking brass for runout,weight sorting brass or measuring case volume,annealing ,using clean brass every time vs dirty.
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tom Sarver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">obviously you don't need the help or advice.</div></div>

I'm sorry you took it that way. It would seem you misunderstood my post quite a bit. Congratulations on winning matches with your 300 hulk. I've read about it in the past and do not need to any more. You seem to talk about the world records in a lot of your posts. By this point, I think pretty much everyone knows who you are.

I do have a question: If someone is getting zero runout with a bench mounted press such as the co-ax, what other benefits does your method offer making it better?
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

Tom,

Where do you measure runout? I think all this time I've been thinking of runout in terms of off axis, two different centers, but it occurred to me as I thought about this a little this morning that a crooked bullet would amplify the amount of runout we measure. In other words .001" runout at the ogive, in an otherwise perfect case, might mean that the tip of the bullet is .002 off center. Perhaps I've been looking for only half of the possible problems?

Is this what your method eliminates?

And how do you control seating depth? Is that mechanically fixed by the die?

John
 
Re: Achieving Accurate Long Range Bullet Flight

jrob, after seeing it done a few years ago, I decided it wasn't something I wanted to do.

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At the end of the video, you can clearly see that using this method does not magically eliminate runout. It takes a complete system with absolute attention to detail at every step in the creation of complete custom dies and a rifle chamber. I have seen "zero runout" in several situations by using a regular old press. Rock chucker, co-ax, and T7 turret were the presses used, and in 2 cases factory dies. From what I've heard via conversations with folks that have custom dies, its not too hard to get runout of .001 or less if you spend the money.

If your mass produced press is out of alignment or your mass produced dies are machined crooked, then most reputable companies have a warranty department that would gladly help you rectify that problem. There have been a lot of records broken with bench mounted presses as well.
 
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No need to be sorry. If anyone trusts I know anything or could be of some use and you would like some advice please on reloading and shooting PM and I will help all can.

And like I said, if your getting ZERO runout on your loaded rounds with a co-ax then you don't need my help or advice, you obviously know what your doing.And what device are you using that says that? Wow, and to think all this time all I had to do was buy a cheap Forster co-ax to achieve what I was looking for.

Have you ever shot 1000 yards groups or competition? If so, how many and what was your smallest group or group average? Pics? Do you use a Juenke machine? Is your rifle built true or by a riflesmith who has built other record setting rifles? How do you weigh powder?
Size brass? Prep brass, sort your bullets..sort primers..seating depth..then how do you tune it to knwo you have the best load possible for that stage of barrel life your currently at? How many men have you trained for this line of work/sport. Please share because I love to learn new things!

As for my records, that's the least of my accomplishemnts and just a part of what my journey is all about. I don't boast about it, but I guess if I mention it some may think that. I endorse products when companys ask me to and could a lot more. I just want to help people and if a guy has few records under his belt (the best in the 40 year history of the sport) I might want to hear what he has to say.
In 2002 I showed up with my .308 tactical rifle to shoot my first EVER 1000 yard BENCHREST match. One of the very well known gunsmiths and longrange BR shooters laughed at me and said "that's like bringing a knife to a gun fight"..Hmm..I thought. well he was right and we still joke about it to this day. I knew my skill as a tactical was at an olympic level..that's for you Karl...lol..so I thought I had this game wrapped up.
I didn't come in last but I didn't come close to winning group.
That comment stuck in my mind and 5 years later I broke TWO world records and dominated the 1000 light gun class for a few seasons (till 2008) when it comes to stats for smallest groups shot. Why? Because I listened, learned and used my skill as a handloader and skill as a shooter to accomplish it. What I have learned along the way I have shared with others to help them too with their goals.
Just to clarify, I am a die hard tactical shooter who went into 1000 yard benchrest to learn how the best shooters at that time could shoot 5"-6" groups consistantly..which you had to do to even be COMPETITIVE. That was world class back then and only a handfull of shooters in the world could actually do it. SAYING AND DOING ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
So, with that I thought man..if that over weight guy can do that I surely can. Now, could I out PT and out shoot this guy in a unknown distance shoot with a .308 out to 1200 yards in real world situation? Of course..but he could whip my ass at shooting little bitty groups at 1000 yards. Hmm, I thought. I can hit targets at great distance shot for shot, but I can't out shoot this fat guy with a bench gun. what's up with that. So, then I began the journey of meshing my skill as a field shooter and the precision of this 1000 yard game. The rest is history. Now you have to shoot 3"-4" consistantly to be competitive in 1000 yard BR. You do the math. Things are getting more precise, and I'm still working on a way to break those RECORDS, and have came close several times. I use the records for motivation for others, such as one of our great shooters here at TVP, another RECORD holder and record that actually means something. Again, ONLY A FEW MEN WALKING THE EARTH CAN ACHIEVE. And he's earned the right to the title.

Please don't take this post out of txt, I'm just asking a few questions and stating some historical facts.
When a guy questions my skill or knowledge because I don't use the tools that he uses, I want know what he is all about, because if I can learn from him then I would be glad to sit back and listen, not insert emoticons that insinuate he has no clue. Maybe I took that out of txt too.
 
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jrob,

Run out can be over rated too. If you shoot a repeater it hurts your run out. That's why single shots are more accurate on average. I measure run out at the shoulder neck junction and the case mouth. The bullet is already perfect so no need to worry there. If your brass is fresh and not work hardened and your dies are TRUE, then after the brass is fired and ejected..onto something soft, like a towel or piece of carpet on the bench, then it should be perfect..with no runout..if not then your chamber isnt true. This is when it's most important to check for run out. Because if your chamber is not straight then none of this matters. So, if your brass is straight..no run out then you resize it or just neck size. I prefer min. full length size in a tactical rifle.
After I resize I check for run out, if it is within specs..and it should be because it's not work hardened and my dies are TRUE...same as chamber. I seat my bullet which is presorted and I know it's straight. Now I use a CUSTOM MACHINED bullet seater die, not one machined by WISLON..WE machine it..and we know it's STRAIGHT ans TRUE. So, true chamber, true fired brass, true form dies, true resized brass,
sorted primer seated TRUE, in trued primer pocket, then a perfect powder charge, seat perfect concentric bullet, INSIDE and OUTSIDE dimisions, seat at perfect depth..same specs as others in the group, chamber it into trued custom machined action and it's trued and straight NO RUN OUT CHAMBER..concentric with the BORE of the barrel..now case is sitting and waiting to be shot by someone who can steer it straight. Now your sure this bullet will exit as STRAIGHT and as TRUE as possible outof the end of the muzzle. Now we hope we have a perfect crown not to disturb the flight of the bullet because it's straight right? Well it should be if the head of the case slammed against the bolt face FLAT, which it wont if every single thing I mentioned before is not TRUE.
So, now the bullet is exiting out of the muzzle through the brake, if you use one..and if it is as Harrels then your SURE there is equal turbulance around the bullet which if not all that work you did means nothing cause the bullet is off true now. I could go on and on, my point is there are SO many varibles to overcome..and master. That why less than 1% of shooters will ever shoot a 3" group at 1000 yards...and even far less than that 1% will ever shoot 5 in a year or life time.
It's much more than a press or any one single tool or relaoding procedures. It everyting and more than you can imaging. If for a second anyone believes it's not, then please attempt it. Even if you use the best relaoding tools in the world..the best possible, and your rifle is built by Leonard Baity, Bruce Baer, Dave Tooley.. TVP..to name a few..then is comes down to your shooting ability and bench mechanics and hand eye coordination..then..the perfect trigger pull and absolute minimum human error...and most importantly..at the very moment your brain says..pull the trigger..the condition come into play..you thought I was done huh? LOL...now go try and shoot some tiny little groups fellas..then when you get good at that..put all that skill and knowledge into your tactical gun. No you don't have to be a world class BR shooter to shoot a tactical good. Mr. Hathcock above knows that. He was a great highpower shooter..took it to the next level and became a legend. But he the greatest of his time would learn something from modern day tech and methods. Imagine what he could have done with a TRUE custom 7 wsm or .300 HULK..with custom handloaded world class record capable ammunition and the optics we have today? Hmm...makes you think huh?
 
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Did I forget to mention I use a bench mounted press, a RCBS Rockchucker..to size my brass? It's true though..and the case floats in the shell holder as I ram it home in the custom made die..no run out. I will post a pick. I think even you KP will be impressed when you see this baby. Only cost me $400 for the die...but worth every penny.
 
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I had a page long response typed up. I deleted it because I realize how futile it is.

I don't hold a world record, or any record for that matter. I did win the only long range match I ever attended with a rifle built by william roscoe. I don't get my satisfaction from trying to break a record. It's quite clear that you feel I shouldn't be speaking about alternatives to your method because I do not have any records. The "who are you to question anything I say?" stuff gets really old. The answer is, I'm nobody... so I'll leave you to it.

Congratulations and I hope you continue breaking records.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tom Sarver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you shoot a repeater it hurts your run out. </div></div>

Is this because of the mechanics of feeding from a magazine? Is this mitigated by single feeding?

John
 
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Yeah jrob, watch what happens as your round comes out of the magazine and rides up into the chamber. This can cause runout. Single feeding gets rid of the problem if it exists.

Measure the runout on 5 cases, and mark them on the "high spot" and mark how much runout they have. Chamber those cases from the magazine... then take it out being careful to not let the round slap against the receiver while ejecting. Measure runout again. If it has not changed, you are good to go. If it has, then you might be able to rectify it by tweaking the feed lips on your magazine or a few other methods.
 
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You read me wrong again. it's not about breaking records for me. It just got done along the way by improving my loading skills. Obviously you didn't read my post accurately.
No pissng match here needed. Again, like I said my way is not the only way or the better way...I said my way works for me and the records are the result of it. It wasn't about the "who are you to question anything I say" it was about your silly ass emoticon you added to your post and you questioning me about "how could I not now about the co-ax" BS as if because I didn't I was substandard because I never used it..but again you mis read me there too because you posted I said I never heard of one. It's get old because you THINK you have all the answers and nothing to back it up so when someone can back it up it doesn't sit so well with you.
So like I asked you before, You have the nerve to question me about my methods and loading tools compared to yours..so wheres your groups and proof your method is better? That's why
it's futile, you have none. As far as alternatives to my method, again you didn't read me right..say something that makes sense. I've spent 20+ years looking at alternatives..OBVIOUSLY...and OBVIOUSLY you have stopped.
Your right ONLY about one thing so far, this is futile.
Bring your co-ax ass on out and lets shoot an see who METHODS work. Notice METHODS..meaning more than one..which you OBVIOUSLY missed that part too.
 
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Hey, more power to you. I've been put in my place. You win. You're the man now dawg.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tom Sarver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It wasn't about the "who are you to question anything I say"</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tom Sarver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You have the nerve to question me about my methods and loading tools compared to yours..so wheres your groups and proof your method is better? </div></div>

Contradict self much?
 
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Lol..dawg?
Contradict self much? Where do you want me to start with yours..or stop I should say? Point is you can't back up your claims or mouth so I'm the bad guy because I can.
It never fails, someone tries to help others and some insecure wanna be is lurking in the shaddows to ruin it for everyone else. I'm done..DAWG..your how old?
I'm done..if you have anything else to say PM me..or don't. That would probably be best at this point.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tom Sarver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Carter,

This is true to some degree. but if your dies and inline seater are custom made by a TRUE machinist then there is no way a Redding will seat the bullets straighter than an inline die. I've tried different methods and that's why I had my dies custom made to reduce all the run out possible. I'm in no way saying your wrong but a mass produced unit..unless it is trued somehow then I would be hard pressed to change what I use. When a loaded round makes the needle on a Juenke machine just twitch then I have to believe what I'm doing is working, not to mention the groups the print on the target at 1000 yards.</div></div>

This is a good point. I can almost guarantee he did not use a custom reamed Wilson seater, which would be the way to get a true comparison. Also, I don't know how much skill he has with an arbor press... this matters as well when it comes to achieving good rounds. BUT... he has compared head to head, which is more than I can say for most folks who say, "This is the only way to do it." I might try my hand at an arbor press when I get the chance.

Something important to remember is that machining is akin to excellent execution. Custom machining is excellent execution of a design. I believe that the Forster Co-ax is a superior design not as well executed as a lot of the custom presses out there. Similarly, I think the Forster and Redding seaters are a superior design not as well executed as a custom reamed inline die. Which wins? I think the argument is pretty close... I could be swayed either way.
 
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Wow... this went downhill fast.

Tom, for those of us who still would like to learn something...

if runout is highly overrated, how can we know if our process is good? It would seem to be one of those things that helps us know if things are going awry without putting rounds downrange.

You mentioned that there is little to no runout in your rounds so you must have checked them. Are you just now so confident in your process it no longer needs checking?

FWIW, I no longer check mine, because I'm confident that my setup is pretty good. Probably not *BEST*, but I cannot afford best. Good enough sometimes needs to be good enough, but I like to understand what's going on and make those decisions with all of the information so I don't inadvertently screw myself.

I just need that comment clarified... left me a little confused.

John
 
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Try both, that's the only way you will know. For some folks. All I know is I get 0-.5 to 0-1 but mostly a twitch of the needle. How can I improve that? I can't so that's why I don't try anything else. Especially since all the things I tried before got me to here...I never stopped looking at my options..till I got to zero consistantly. Not that it's the best METHOD...it's hard to beat ZERO..after that is doesnt matter. I can only advise, and since like I said before, I have never used the CO-AX nor would I at this point because again I'm already at zero. And 2-3 will shoot 3" at 1000 yards in my bench gun. My tactical rifle is top notch too but it's not machined as tight so it doesn't matter because it's never going to out shoot the BR gun at 1000 yards for group. Score yes, group no.
 
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Tom,

Just curious... I have various Wilson dies, Redding dies, Forster, etc. No Juenke machine though (yet). With sorted, neck-turned brass, etc. that comes out of the gun reading <0.001" runout... I'm still getting loaded round runout between 0.001-0.002" on some rounds, up to 0.004" on others. Even with the magic inline seating dies.

Any ideas?

Monte