ACOG TA33, EoTech with 3x magnifier, and Aimpoint with 3x magnifier. I had the chance to sight up a rifle with the Aimpoint but I did not get to fire it. Looking for pros/cons from people who have actually used these or maybe another optic along the same lines. If you like or do not like, please give details. Thanks!
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Rifle Scopes ACOG TA33 / EoTech / Aimpoint
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Re: ACOG TA33 / EoTech / Aimpoint
I used to be a Supervisor in the Trijicon ACOG Department. I'm a Tactical Gear Retailer now.
The way I break down how to shop for optics is to figure out the average engagement range your targets are going to be at:
0-200 Meters = Aimpoint and EOTech are the best
50-600 Meters = Trijicon is the best
200-2000 Meters = Leupold is the best
This is to not saying that the optics can't shoot outside of that range, it's just what range they're "best" at. To give you a couple of scenarios:
1. If you're 400 meters from me and you have an Aimpoint, and I have a Trijicon......I am much more likely to hit you than you are to hit me.
2. If you're 25 meters from me and you have an Aimpoint, and I have a Leupold.....you are much more likely to hit me than I could hit you.
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I've fired tons of rounds through Trijicon, Aimpoint, and EOTech scopes. They're all great sights. There are benefits and drawbacks to all 3, but it would take a couple of pages of text to do the side by side comparison between them.
If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.
Have a good day!
Matt
I used to be a Supervisor in the Trijicon ACOG Department. I'm a Tactical Gear Retailer now.
The way I break down how to shop for optics is to figure out the average engagement range your targets are going to be at:
0-200 Meters = Aimpoint and EOTech are the best
50-600 Meters = Trijicon is the best
200-2000 Meters = Leupold is the best
This is to not saying that the optics can't shoot outside of that range, it's just what range they're "best" at. To give you a couple of scenarios:
1. If you're 400 meters from me and you have an Aimpoint, and I have a Trijicon......I am much more likely to hit you than you are to hit me.
2. If you're 25 meters from me and you have an Aimpoint, and I have a Leupold.....you are much more likely to hit me than I could hit you.
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I've fired tons of rounds through Trijicon, Aimpoint, and EOTech scopes. They're all great sights. There are benefits and drawbacks to all 3, but it would take a couple of pages of text to do the side by side comparison between them.
If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.
Have a good day!
Matt
Re: ACOG TA33 / EoTech / Aimpoint
Milwar hit the nail on the head. Decide where you will use you firearm most of the time first, then choose your optics.
Milwar hit the nail on the head. Decide where you will use you firearm most of the time first, then choose your optics.
Re: ACOG TA33 / EoTech / Aimpoint
Depends for what rifle and applications.
But for for my AR15, I have a Trijicon ACOG 3.5x35 with a RMR. Calibrated for 5.56 rifles out to 800 meters. For close distances RMR is great. I don't have to worry about flipping a magnifer, and the transition is very quick.
Eye relief for 3.5x35 is 2.4" but for 3x30 TA33 it is less at 1.9". For this range magification, TA11 has the longest eye relief of Trijicon scopes. Also a little less mag with T33 vs. T11. At least for me I prefer TA11 over TA33 for those reasons.
Depends for what rifle and applications.
But for for my AR15, I have a Trijicon ACOG 3.5x35 with a RMR. Calibrated for 5.56 rifles out to 800 meters. For close distances RMR is great. I don't have to worry about flipping a magnifer, and the transition is very quick.
Eye relief for 3.5x35 is 2.4" but for 3x30 TA33 it is less at 1.9". For this range magification, TA11 has the longest eye relief of Trijicon scopes. Also a little less mag with T33 vs. T11. At least for me I prefer TA11 over TA33 for those reasons.
Re: ACOG TA33 / EoTech / Aimpoint
Finally decided to try the ACOG but I went with the 4x32 TA31H horseshoe dot. TA31H Very impressed with the clearity. Advertised eye releaf is 1.5". The short eye relief is a little awkward at first.
Zeroed at 25yds resting on a bench. Using home loaded match ammo, I made one ragged hole at 25yds, after windage adjustments. Only had to adjust windage slightly. Elevation was ok out of box. Ater being satisfied at 25yds, I moved to 125yds. At longer distances, the dot is a little large on small targets. Didn't seem to cause a problem but just a little different than what I'm used to. After firing first 6 shots at 125yds, I made a little more windage adjustment. I think it is set where it needs to be. Now I just need to do my part.
Overall, I think it is a great optic. Clearity and illumination without a switch/batteries is great. I have already became more adjusted to the short eye relief and large dot (on small targets at distance) but I need to spend a little more time with it. For this rifle, I believe I made the best choice.
I had considered getting an RMR to mount on top but I think it would sit a little to rearward for my liking??
I have now found a good deal on an EoTech magnifier and ordered it. Since I already have an EoTech sight, I figured I would give this a try on a different rifle. I'll give a range report as soon as I get to try it.
Finally decided to try the ACOG but I went with the 4x32 TA31H horseshoe dot. TA31H Very impressed with the clearity. Advertised eye releaf is 1.5". The short eye relief is a little awkward at first.
Zeroed at 25yds resting on a bench. Using home loaded match ammo, I made one ragged hole at 25yds, after windage adjustments. Only had to adjust windage slightly. Elevation was ok out of box. Ater being satisfied at 25yds, I moved to 125yds. At longer distances, the dot is a little large on small targets. Didn't seem to cause a problem but just a little different than what I'm used to. After firing first 6 shots at 125yds, I made a little more windage adjustment. I think it is set where it needs to be. Now I just need to do my part.
Overall, I think it is a great optic. Clearity and illumination without a switch/batteries is great. I have already became more adjusted to the short eye relief and large dot (on small targets at distance) but I need to spend a little more time with it. For this rifle, I believe I made the best choice.
I had considered getting an RMR to mount on top but I think it would sit a little to rearward for my liking??
I have now found a good deal on an EoTech magnifier and ordered it. Since I already have an EoTech sight, I figured I would give this a try on a different rifle. I'll give a range report as soon as I get to try it.
Re: ACOG TA33 / EoTech / Aimpoint
You picked a great scope. The horseshoe reticle is great for fast sight acquisition. I went with the chevron which is not quite as fast for sight picture, but the tip of the triangle gives me a more precise aiming point.
As far as the horseshoe dot getting too large at further distances, just use the bullet drop indicators instead.
I like my RMR, and it does not matter how far back it is as eye relief is not a concern since it is non-magnified...but your preference may be different.
If you get the RMR, I would suggest getting 4 MOA RMR rather than larger MOA RMRs, as the others are relatively large and obscures my sight picture. As you have already realized with the horseshoe reticle, there is a compromise between faster sight acquisition vs. precision. The large the dot the faster, the smaller the more precise, etc.
Good luck and give us a range report once you decide.
You picked a great scope. The horseshoe reticle is great for fast sight acquisition. I went with the chevron which is not quite as fast for sight picture, but the tip of the triangle gives me a more precise aiming point.
As far as the horseshoe dot getting too large at further distances, just use the bullet drop indicators instead.
I like my RMR, and it does not matter how far back it is as eye relief is not a concern since it is non-magnified...but your preference may be different.
If you get the RMR, I would suggest getting 4 MOA RMR rather than larger MOA RMRs, as the others are relatively large and obscures my sight picture. As you have already realized with the horseshoe reticle, there is a compromise between faster sight acquisition vs. precision. The large the dot the faster, the smaller the more precise, etc.
Good luck and give us a range report once you decide.
Re: ACOG TA33 / EoTech / Aimpoint
There is a reason that people who take their weapons into combat use the Aimpoint or ACOG. The eotech is junk and so it the Leupold CQT. They might work fine for 3gun and some carbine classes, but that is it. I have seen too many eotechs fail. As for the CQT, well just look at old threads and you can find my review while in Iraq with one.
The ACOG gets the nod for engagements past 300 but I think the eye relief is lacking and shading gets a lot of people when using this optic, especially in high stress situations.
If you are planning on using this as a fighting rifle, the comp4 with a magnifier will do it all. Also if your using night vision, this is the way to go. Head mounted or using the twist mount to place behind the optic takes 2 seconds.
There is a reason that people who take their weapons into combat use the Aimpoint or ACOG. The eotech is junk and so it the Leupold CQT. They might work fine for 3gun and some carbine classes, but that is it. I have seen too many eotechs fail. As for the CQT, well just look at old threads and you can find my review while in Iraq with one.
The ACOG gets the nod for engagements past 300 but I think the eye relief is lacking and shading gets a lot of people when using this optic, especially in high stress situations.
If you are planning on using this as a fighting rifle, the comp4 with a magnifier will do it all. Also if your using night vision, this is the way to go. Head mounted or using the twist mount to place behind the optic takes 2 seconds.
Re: ACOG TA33 / EoTech / Aimpoint
Finally got to try out the Eotech & 3X magnifier. First let me say that the ACOG is a keeper for the rifle I have it on now.
The Eotech & 3X has its own peculiarities. Eye relief is just a little longer, field of view is more narrow, and the center dot is not precise when using the 3X. Without a riser, the 3X will not clear any flip up sights except the MI low profile. It is nice to be able to adjust the brightness but since the dot is distorted with the 3X, it doesn't help much. Although I shot just as well with the Eotech 3X as the ACOG, I'm still undecided about keeping it?
I ordered a RMR to mount on the ACOG but its backordered til later this month. I'll give a report on it when it arrives.
Also considering the Trijicon 1-4X24 as a replacement for the EoTech if I don't keep the 3X??
Finally got to try out the Eotech & 3X magnifier. First let me say that the ACOG is a keeper for the rifle I have it on now.
The Eotech & 3X has its own peculiarities. Eye relief is just a little longer, field of view is more narrow, and the center dot is not precise when using the 3X. Without a riser, the 3X will not clear any flip up sights except the MI low profile. It is nice to be able to adjust the brightness but since the dot is distorted with the 3X, it doesn't help much. Although I shot just as well with the Eotech 3X as the ACOG, I'm still undecided about keeping it?
I ordered a RMR to mount on the ACOG but its backordered til later this month. I'll give a report on it when it arrives.
Also considering the Trijicon 1-4X24 as a replacement for the EoTech if I don't keep the 3X??
Re: ACOG TA33 / EoTech / Aimpoint
I have a few AR's. One of them I have equipped with the Aimpoint CompM3 and the 3X magnifier. I have them set up so they will co-witness my iron sights. The 3x is on a quick flip mount so that I can easily flop it to the side and just use the M3 if needed. I will say I am happy with the combo. I just had it out last weekend in fact. I went with the Aimpoint over the EOthingy because of battery life. I believe you can leave the Aimpoint on for a month straight before it will go dead.
I have a few AR's. One of them I have equipped with the Aimpoint CompM3 and the 3X magnifier. I have them set up so they will co-witness my iron sights. The 3x is on a quick flip mount so that I can easily flop it to the side and just use the M3 if needed. I will say I am happy with the combo. I just had it out last weekend in fact. I went with the Aimpoint over the EOthingy because of battery life. I believe you can leave the Aimpoint on for a month straight before it will go dead.
Re: ACOG TA33 / EoTech / Aimpoint
I have not had any experience with the ACOG but I have seen through it and it is clearer than my Aimpoint 3x magnifier, way clearer. I had the EOTech 553 before but it just took up too much rail space. I had it mounted on my Bushy flat top and I did not have room for a magnifier because of the plastic handgaurd. I also did not like the reticle as I shot more with it. I felt it got in the way too much. I also did not like the battery life. I must have changed the battery 3 times in 6 months and it ran low one time in the middle of a competition and the reticle was too dim to really do anything good. Ever since I ran my Aimpoint I have never changed the battery, never turned it off, and with the Larue mount it leaves a lot of space for a magnifier of even a scope.
I have the Comp M4 now and it was the best buy i have ever made. It is rugged and easy to pick up the sights and just all around great. The only downside is the weight. It is a little heavy but not unmanageable. I may trade it in for a T1 just for the weight. Hope that helped.
I have not had any experience with the ACOG but I have seen through it and it is clearer than my Aimpoint 3x magnifier, way clearer. I had the EOTech 553 before but it just took up too much rail space. I had it mounted on my Bushy flat top and I did not have room for a magnifier because of the plastic handgaurd. I also did not like the reticle as I shot more with it. I felt it got in the way too much. I also did not like the battery life. I must have changed the battery 3 times in 6 months and it ran low one time in the middle of a competition and the reticle was too dim to really do anything good. Ever since I ran my Aimpoint I have never changed the battery, never turned it off, and with the Larue mount it leaves a lot of space for a magnifier of even a scope.
I have the Comp M4 now and it was the best buy i have ever made. It is rugged and easy to pick up the sights and just all around great. The only downside is the weight. It is a little heavy but not unmanageable. I may trade it in for a T1 just for the weight. Hope that helped.
Re: ACOG TA33 / EoTech / Aimpoint
This may not be what your looking for but, from my experience the TA01ECOS will do anything from point blank all the way to 600m. The Docter type sight takes a little getting used to, but if you run with a helmet with an NVG mount it can be very useful for fast 50m hits.
This may not be what your looking for but, from my experience the TA01ECOS will do anything from point blank all the way to 600m. The Docter type sight takes a little getting used to, but if you run with a helmet with an NVG mount it can be very useful for fast 50m hits.
Re: ACOG TA33 / EoTech / Aimpoint
IMHO you got the best of your 3 choices for all around use. I have fired the EoTech woth the 3x magnifier and it's to cumbersome for me. Especially when the 3X is flipped to the side. I like the longer eye relief on the TA33 series.
IMHO you got the best of your 3 choices for all around use. I have fired the EoTech woth the 3x magnifier and it's to cumbersome for me. Especially when the 3X is flipped to the side. I like the longer eye relief on the TA33 series.
Re: ACOG TA33 / EoTech / Aimpoint
The RMR finally shipped, I tried it, and sent it back. In time, I might have gotten adjusted to it. As I suspected, it sat too far to the rear of the ACOG for my liking. The size also made it difficult for me to use. Some may like it but it was not for me. I believe I will use the ACOG solo for now. Thanks for everyones input.
The RMR finally shipped, I tried it, and sent it back. In time, I might have gotten adjusted to it. As I suspected, it sat too far to the rear of the ACOG for my liking. The size also made it difficult for me to use. Some may like it but it was not for me. I believe I will use the ACOG solo for now. Thanks for everyones input.
Re: ACOG TA33 / EoTech / Aimpoint
A good option to get the MRD optics off the top of the ACOG or to combine a magnified variable with a MRD is the Burkett off-set mount. http://speedshooter.com/product_detail.cfm?ID=MBJPM
A good option to get the MRD optics off the top of the ACOG or to combine a magnified variable with a MRD is the Burkett off-set mount. http://speedshooter.com/product_detail.cfm?ID=MBJPM
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