Active shooter taken out by good guy w gun (Indiana 7/17/22)
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Has the distance been cleared up yet?
I keep seeing 40 yards and then there's a cunt hair over 25 yards, those are two very different distances. Then there seems to be some element of movement... perhaps?
Do we know the truth regarding this?
I keep seeing 40 yards and then there's a cunt hair over 25 yards, those are two very different distances. Then there seems to be some element of movement... perhaps?
Do we know the truth regarding this?
I used to think I was a great rifleman. Then I played PRS.
I used to think I was a great pistol shot. Then I played USPSA.
Yes, they’re games. They’re not real. Thank you for clearing that up for all of us. I don’t care how much combat you've seen, everyone who shoots would greatly benefit from training and competing. Today I’m 1000% better than when I thought I was good.
No, it ain’t like getting shot at, but it is movement and time pressure, and the more you do it the more automatic and natural it becomes.
Thats actually the point.
You never know till you get there what you’re going to do or not do, but you can put your thumb on the scale with training And competing to see how well you trained.
I used to think I was a great pistol shot. Then I played USPSA.
Yes, they’re games. They’re not real. Thank you for clearing that up for all of us. I don’t care how much combat you've seen, everyone who shoots would greatly benefit from training and competing. Today I’m 1000% better than when I thought I was good.
No, it ain’t like getting shot at, but it is movement and time pressure, and the more you do it the more automatic and natural it becomes.
Thats actually the point.
You never know till you get there what you’re going to do or not do, but you can put your thumb on the scale with training And competing to see how well you trained.
^^^^^^^^^^
The old saying "practice makes perfect" comes into play especially with a perishable skill not everyone can do well in the first place,
and then running and gunning as you state whether in competition or just training makes everyone 1000 percent better!!! To me this
young man helped the entire 2a community with this act of valor and shooting excellence in stopping the killer. I'm proud of him putting his ass
on the line to protect the unknown who would have surely died had this hero not been there. Right place right time thank the Lord almighty.
The old saying "practice makes perfect" comes into play especially with a perishable skill not everyone can do well in the first place,
and then running and gunning as you state whether in competition or just training makes everyone 1000 percent better!!! To me this
young man helped the entire 2a community with this act of valor and shooting excellence in stopping the killer. I'm proud of him putting his ass
on the line to protect the unknown who would have surely died had this hero not been there. Right place right time thank the Lord almighty.
Hey, let's not nit-pick this forever.
10yds, 50yds, moving or posted up this man jumped into the fight in a split second and landed 8 of 10 shots on target during complete pandemonium with an adrenaline hit. HELL YES
10yds, 50yds, moving or posted up this man jumped into the fight in a split second and landed 8 of 10 shots on target during complete pandemonium with an adrenaline hit. HELL YES
It isn't a nitpick to try and discredit what he did.
It's wanting the truth because I don't need a "pretend" scenario to respect what this guy did, and to consider what he did, an amazing deed.
It also can serve to be an idol, help me to strive to be a better man, shooter, protector. But it's hard, at least for me, to "worship" if you will (lack of a better word), a "rumor mill" story.
I like facts and figures to be cemented, because playing in fantasy land is for the left.
This "normal" man can be somewhat of a sigil for us other civilian mortal beings, to act appropriately, train appropriately, make the stand when/if the time comes calling.
This is starting to take a bit of a creepy turn as I read it, nonetheless, the truth helps cement the idea in my head, whereas, doubt brought by 76 feet, 40 yards... moving... anchored against a pillar.... so on, well, I can't grasp smoke.
If only I was a poet...perhaps I'd make more sense.
It's wanting the truth because I don't need a "pretend" scenario to respect what this guy did, and to consider what he did, an amazing deed.
It also can serve to be an idol, help me to strive to be a better man, shooter, protector. But it's hard, at least for me, to "worship" if you will (lack of a better word), a "rumor mill" story.
I like facts and figures to be cemented, because playing in fantasy land is for the left.
This "normal" man can be somewhat of a sigil for us other civilian mortal beings, to act appropriately, train appropriately, make the stand when/if the time comes calling.
This is starting to take a bit of a creepy turn as I read it, nonetheless, the truth helps cement the idea in my head, whereas, doubt brought by 76 feet, 40 yards... moving... anchored against a pillar.... so on, well, I can't grasp smoke.
If only I was a poet...perhaps I'd make more sense.
Undisputed facts of the situation:
-Eli and girlfriend saw the gunman as he emerged from the bathroom
-As first shot was fired Eli drew his weapon and steadied himself on nearby cement pillar and engaged the threat from an extended distance.
-After initial engagement, Eli closed the distance between him and the threat without breaking contact landing 8 of 10 shots.
-After threat was neutralized his girlfriend began to render aid to the wounded by applying a tourniquet and pressure on a shot to a victims leg.
One advantage Eli had was taking cover/concealment behind that pillar. In a setting with chaotic people running in all directions after the lunatic's first shot, the lunatic would probably have a hard time trying to figure out where Eli's shots were coming from.
Just a thought, I’m happy this guy didn’t get smoked by the cops because they took so long to get there that he had time to “surrender” to Paul blart . What does that tell you about police response times? Stay strapped and train. IDGAF what the fudds think. A buzzer in your ear, friends yelling at you, maybe a fiver (I’m a poor) riding on who runs the stage better, a sprint or some push-ups, bragging rights/comp standings, any training stressors are better than none. Also practice cold shots at distance whenever you can.
I’ll add this to the notes on this encounter. Every time you go to the range, emergency draw your ccw and empty it first thing.
Nothing like getting the RO's all excited right off the bat.
They looked too sleepy to me. Practically napping!
I haven't been to a range with RO's in years - adjust your tactics to be practical at your range lol.
Its the timer beep that initiates the pressure level LOL, course of fire? sequence? etc.
We started every drill with someone else firing a blank rifle. Damn those 556 blanks got expensive towards the end.
Meanwhile the 400 cops outside the Uvalde school sat around with their thumbs up their asses.
@308pirate and other pistola slingers.. how often do y’all do dry firing practice? I try to get a good dry firing session in every single day on one of my AR’s(and it has helped for sure, especially so with standing/unsupported).. but I want to focus in more on handguns as that would obviously be the one I’d more likely have to use in defense.
Also- are snapcaps truly necessary for dry firing? I know empty dry firing is a no no with rim fires obviously, but strictly talking CF here..
Also.. any good recommendations on getting the most out of dry fire practice would be appreciated!
Also- are snapcaps truly necessary for dry firing? I know empty dry firing is a no no with rim fires obviously, but strictly talking CF here..
Also.. any good recommendations on getting the most out of dry fire practice would be appreciated!
I use one of these constantly.
Pick a target, draw and fire.
Pick another target, draw and fire.
Practice over and over until you don’t even think about it.
Pick a target, draw and fire.
Pick another target, draw and fire.
Practice over and over until you don’t even think about it.
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At least four days a week for anywhere between 15 and 45 min. Make damned sure that your technique, particularly grip and grip force, is dead on or you'll just be burning in bad habits.
Depends on the pistol. DA/SA CZs? Absolutely yes (or a small o-ring in over the firing pin out the back of the slide). For all others, highly recommended even if it isn't strictly necessary.
Yes, learn from the master himself: https://benstoegerproshop.com/dryfi...ol-shooter-paperback-book-and-scaled-targets/
And for the love of all that is Holy do not waste your money on laser and recoil producing gimmicks. They are completely unnecessary despite what the tactitards will tell you.
Finally modify every handgun that you have that will support a red dot sight. Then buy a Trijicon RMR or SRO for each one. Reflex optics are The Way.
Hell yea brother
I know it’s a chink optic but poors gonna poor, getting around to a RMR eventually. Probably gonna throw a Sig red dot on the P320. Not sure what I’ll put on the Walther PDP…tho a Silencerco Omega is definitely in order. Any experience w/ aftermarket threaded barrels? KKM/Bar-sto/Storm lake/Lone wolf/Zev/etc?
Holosun’s dot resolution is actually quite nice however.. but I’d still rather something higher end
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Cold practice is good. Saw one dude advocating working out hard and THEN doing your shooting so you're whipped and fatigued when you do your practice.
That's not a bad way to practice keeping your hits where they need to be after a fight, having to sprint to the aid of loved ones, etc.
You’d be bloody fucking surprised how often your ccw piece eats shit when you do it this way.
At least anywhere with a fair amount of airborne particulates.
Yep. Even that.Even this?
I was at the range today. First time I’ve ever seen targets at 50yds for pistola work.
I’m not saying it’s uncommon….I’m just saying at the range I frequent there are NEVER people shooting past the 15yd marker on pistola bay.
What happened on that day mattered. The pistol used mattered. People are training differently.
Right, wrong, whatever…..this engagement made a difference.
I’m just glad a good guy that was armed and took out a mass shooter is getting coverage. As we know when this happens it’s usually swept under the rug. With it being so clear cut and all over media, the libs have no rebuttal at all except that he “ain’t a Good Samaritan!” 
soo he’s a bad Samaritan?!?! Lol
soo he’s a bad Samaritan?!?! LolWhy would you favor a snap cap over a laser device that acts like a snap cap - but with immediate feedback as to where the POI is?
Because you need to use your sights (irons or dot, same deal) to determine where the POI was when you "pressed" the trigger without any instant feedback from the target. That's how you learn to call your shots in real time instead of looking at the target for holes.
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You must be new to shooting. Gear queers is the name of the game now.
Since you seem to enjoy being confrontational in about every other post.....
We've been over this already.
Dry fire... draw, present, sight picture, fire.
Haven't you ever watched somebody learning to shoot and saw how far the muzzle moved when they were practicing dry fire? Dry fire without any feedback to know that they moved the gun when they pulled the trigger isn't teaching them anything other than figuring out where the trigger breaks. At least with a laser they KNOW how far they just mis-pointed their weapon off the target.
If you practice enough with the laser - you won't have to look at the target or your sights to know if you hit it. That's just how you learn where the shot is GOING to go WHILE you are learning it.
What part of "I look at it, I pull the trigger, and I hit it where I looked" do you not understand?
That's what sights are for. To provide the feedback. The fact that you don't get that tells me all I need to know about your skill with a handgun.
Unless you're shooting at a USPSA M or GM level, I have no reason to listen to you because I am way past you in handgun skill.
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