Rifle Scopes Advice on choosing a scope

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Hello everybody, I am currently planning to order myself a G.A. Precision rifle soonish and was wondering if any of you could point me in the right direction for a scope.

My limit is 1500$ at the absolute MOST.

Scope needs to have a minimum of 22 power, more is always wanted but I need at least 22.

If possible 30mm Tube and a 50mm objective (shouldn't. be to hard to find).

Mill-dot is a must.

So far I have been looking into a Nightforce 5.5-22. Any other suggestions?
 
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Have some interesting “requirements”. What caliber is the rifle that “requires” the x22? How far are you going to be shooting to? How will you be using the rifle?

Should take a bit of time and look at the new Vortex Viper that will show at SHOT show. Matched reticle and turrets, FFP, & $900 are the early numbers.
 
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I'd look at the new Vortex Viper PST series due to come out soon rather than just about anything Burris or Leupold has in the pipeline. The new Vortex PST scopes will give you the following advantages over the others:

First focal plane reticles
Matching reticle and adjustments
A magnification range right within your requirements
A sub-$1000 price point
Great service support

A couple vendors here on the forum are backordering the scopes now so you might want to jump on it.
 
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Connor,

$1100. is an optics dead-zone. Too high a price for mediocre optics, with old technology (Like used by both Leupold and Burris, IMHO), and too low a price point for the high end new technology stuff. However, that is about to change. Vortex Viper PST's are due to be released in the spring. They will have a 6-24x50mm FFP Mil/Mil or MOA/MOA for around $900.

Been a number of posts about the the new Votex's here. If you can wait, it may be worth it. If you absolutely, positively, must have a scope in the next month; then:

Save a few more bucks and consider:

Nightforce 5.5-25x50mm SFP or the IOR 3-18x42mm FFP MIL/MIL Sniper Hide Edition. Both are in the $1500. to $1700. range for new scopes price wise. In the used market you can find both near your price range + or - $200. or so....YMMV

 
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I would say that you chosen a fine rifle to work with, but why limit yourself with a $3k rifle by the optics, this is not the place to go "LOW". As several have stated, you need to bump up the limit just a little and go with the proven NightForce or wait till after Shot Show. In my experience with the Leupold 8.5-25x, that has to be the WORST magnification model I have ever worked with in their line up and can not recommend it for what its worth. The 6.5-20x has been a much more forgiving and user-friendly model for most everyone I have spoken with as well. The Burris Black Diamond, not much experience over time just on the range with mostly good results, some repeatability issues and clarity as well. Not one I would recommend or own personally. Both companies have a great customer service response, but the Leupold is having more and more failures as time goes with ALL sides of the market. I personally do not run either of the two on my guns don't desire to have the failures or issues and down time with returns and service needs. The NightForce, PR, S&B and Zeiss have been tried, true and remain my personal recommendations. The Vortex Viper, I have not had the time to try one out but it appears to have a fairly good following, offers many options and advantages at a more user friendly price range. I would say, don't get wrapped around the high-end magnification, it can be done with a lower power all day long with less fatigue and more versatility. Depending on your range, application and experience level, these all will greatly affect your downrange accuracy. Best wishes and happy holidays.
 
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I agree with a lot of comments made. A scope should cost at least or close to the price of the rifle. I see as most do a lot of guys at the range with 1 to 3 thousand dollar rifles only to see them put a Tasco or similar scope on it. The glass is just as important as the rifle, remember it takes four things to make a good rifle. 1. Accurate rifle to begin with, 2. Equally good quality scope to see target, 3. Good quality ammunition to hit the target with, 4. An accurate shooter. Cheap up on any one of these and a great rifle becomes just another rifle, the best scope means little, and the ammo can't hit anything. Eliminate all the mechanical devices and then spend the remainder of your money on trigger time. Just my opion. Tex
 
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The rifle is planned to be a GAP Templar action 27" barrel all in a Remington 260 caliber. The range at my house is 700 yards but if I hop the fence I can place the target up to 1500 yards (I plan to do this somewhat often, neighbor doesn't mind its a barren field). And yes, I did realize that the optics i can get for the price I mentioned is a dead zone, luckly I talked to my parents (I am only 17 waaa) and if I sell my Grandparents truck I have access to another 500 on top of the 1000, so picture 1500 for the new number.

PS I forgot, the rifle will be for tactical shooting, I will take it on desert trips for extended shooting ranges and the occasional hunting trip. mainly tactical target.
 
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Also I forgot to mention this also, GAP said the wait time on my build is 10-12 months so I will need the scope in about 10-12 months and have plenty of time to wait for newer models. I will look more into the Night-force.
 
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Don't put bargain used tires on a Ferrari Testarossa.
Thats my analogy for today.


Shop for a Schmidt & Bender, Hendsoldt/Zeiss, Nightforce, US Optics, and/or Premier first.

SWFA's SS 3-9 FFP mil/mil for $599 seems like a nice entry level scope, I may put one on a trainer myself.

Leupold's qc has gone down of late, I really can't recommend them anymore.


If long range shooting is your goal, you NEED good optics. The clarity of the glass, repeatibility of the turrets, and rugged construction come with a high price-tag, its just how it goes. Don't skimp because you can't hit what you can't see..
 
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No worries, age has nothing to do with it but normally better eyesight and quicker to jump, lol. Understandable on the money situation and we appreciate your honesty as well. Don’t forget one more item, which truly is part of the “accuracy package”, the mounting solution. DON”T go cheap on the mounting solution either. Since you have the time, save your money, keep a close eye on the upcoming and releases after Shot Show. With the delay, this will afford you the opportunity to continue your research and continue to ask the questions as you started. There is plenty of information and experienced individuals here, which will steer you in the correct direction I am sure. Happy holidays.
 
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Thanks Stacey, mounting I don't think that I am going cheep. The Templar action has a built in 20 MOA base and I AM going to buy the Badger ordnance (spelling?)bases that GAP recommended, not to sure if those are good or not, but if GAP says buy em I am going to buy em. And powder, I love the analogy and will stick to it if allowed, however you just never know. But as of now I can expect 1500 bucks for the scope, it might go up I will see.

Sadly I could throw in another 500 if all this extra gear wasn't so F-ING expensive. Between Hornady Custom Dies and redding seaters, Harris bi-pod, good rear bag, bullets and whatnot it comes out to 500 for the extra's. I guess i can chuck out the bi-pod and bag and wait for later, and I plan to do that. Anyways we will see.

As of plans right now the NF 5.5-22 will suit me just fine. USO/S&B are just way to far in price, I will look at zeiss also.
 
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A GAP deserves great optics. If you have 1500 now save it and keep adding to it, by the time your rifle is ready you should be able to get whatever optic you want. I'd rather have a stock 700 with a S&B, NF, PR, Hensoldt than a 3-5K custom with a Tasco, Burris etc. I can see just fine out past 1K with a 3-12 S&B so think about the magnification a bit. 3-12/4-16 is smaller, lighter and plenty for a 260 or 308. With that said I think the most important place to spend money is training/ammo.
 
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Yes almaofre I will definitely rethink the power, that is just what I have in mind. I have yet to shoot at the new range we put up, about 700 yards and growing and I will test my scope that is on my other rifle and rethink the power. For now 22 is kinda my base. As you said however the Nightforce 15 power should be enough but I will wait on final judgment until later this week.
 
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Connor,

It seems like you have plenty of time. Used gear can be a great value. Consider buying quality gear that's in realy good but used condition rather the mediocre gear that's new. I picked up a gently used Nightforce from a guy who had just bought a S&B. I paid about half the price of new. It was a smokin' deal and that doesn't happen too often but keep an eye on your local classifieds, gun shops, ranges and of course the SH classifieds. If your set on new, IMHO Nightforce is a fine choice.

Good luck, RT
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: connor55</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes almaofre I will definitely rethink the power, that is just what I have in mind. I have yet to shoot at the new range we put up, about 700 yards and growing and I will test my scope that is on my other rifle and rethink the power. For now 22 is kinda my base. As you said however the Nightforce 15 power should be enough but I will wait on final judgment until later this week. </div></div>

In that your rifle is some time out in the future I would recomend you come up with a bit more scratch and look at the Vortex Razor, Nightforce F-1, a good used Premier or US Optics.

The next item you will need to sort out is Mil vs MOA followed by the reticle.
 
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Very good post. I'm following this post with the same questions as Conoor.

I've read good things about Vortex. This scope can be a real good choice.

NF will release a new model on Shot Show...let's see...
 
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When I am talking with someone with these types of questions just like a rifle, I sit down and go through a series of questions with them during our conversation to better understand the "what and hows". Everyone will recommend the top of the line, what's in stock of the line(s) they offer or their personal favorite. However, sometimes there are better options or simply just other options. You do not require a $3k scope on a varmint rifle, AR platform or target rifle in most circumstances. Is it nice, more crowd-pleasing and makes it simple to go from one rifle to another with basically no optics change, SURE! But necessary, NO!
Just for an example: I will run a S&B 4-16x50 on my AI .338, PR 3-15x50 on my AI AW .308, NF 2.5-10x32 on my AE Covert but when it comes to the:
-AR 20” 1/12 shooting 55gr BALL Varmint, running a Bushnell 3200 Elite 10x40 Mil-Dot, 200yd zero with 1-1.25” 3rd groups consistently.
-M700 .22-250 Varmint, running a Leupold MKIV LRT 4.5-14x40mm, for the longer range critters and when explosive power is desired!
-M700 .222 target getter, just because I respect it more than the .223, Burris FullField II 6.5-20x50 mounted on a Leupold standard turn in 1-piece base, no 20moa needed here!
-Ruger 10/22’s, oh a Simmons, EoTech or Aimpoint will be fine depending on what I am going to use it for.
Point here as you can see, there are many different options, applications and different price ranges which will accommodate the end user to achieve each within a “budget” as desired. If the optics solution does not perform, I will not use, recommend or own it. Just as a Picatinny setup or 20moa base is not a requirement for everyone. There are bases, rings and optics mounting solutions on the market today, which can and will serve many of the end users as well if not better. Plus less costly, moving parts and complicated for armor/end user to worry with. So as what I recommend is that when you are looking at building a weapon system in general ask yourself some of the following:
1. Primary application:
2. Secondary application:
3. Caliber:
4. Normal range: & max range:
5. Will you be ranging with the reticle? If so, then have you considered the 1st and 2nd focal plane pro’s and con’s?
6. Have you looked at the various different reticles and understand their applications and limitations?
7. Do you or have you decided on MOA/MOA, MIL/MOA or MIL/MIL reticle/turret value’s?
8. Will you be using Night Vision in conjunction with the optics?

Most of time these will get the information flowing, on the paper and questions answered that the customer did not even consider. Depending on obviously many different applications, requirements and user request, these will vary but the outcome will arrive at a better understanding and feeling they are comfortable with. I hope this helps, as always if you have questions feel free to contact me and happy holidays.