African politics

[SSC]

I have a family member that wants to move to Africa for a while and was hoping that someone on here might have real knowledge of the dangers and situation over there. If you do please send me a pm so we can talk on the phone. The sooner the better as I will be seeing them in the next few days.

Thanks

Russell

 

[Graham]

Re: African politics

He wants to move to 'Africa', so he first wants to know what it is like in 'Africa'?

Africa is a very big place: In fact, it's an entire continent.

Someone in Cairo might have a different answer than someone in Benin.

Like when a friend of mine in Eastern Europe once asked me "What's the politcal situation in America?"
"Different." I said.

If your friend doesn't know enough to ask a more specific question maybe he would be better-off staying home.

 

[SSC]

Re: African politics

It is for a job opportunity and they know all the details. I am the one in the dark. I just wanted get some real info from people who know. I am not 100% about location but I am thinking rowanda.

 

[Graham]

Re: African politics

Maybe start here:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/rw.html

 

[Veer_G]

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[Graham]

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Much has changed since the genocide; not always for the better, though.

http://www.humansecuritygateway.com/documents/AI_RwandaShroudedinSecrecy.pdf

http://www.international-alert.org/sites/default/files/publications/201209WalkingDarkCrossBorder.pdf

 

[JSTARSZ]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is for a job opportunity and they know all the details. I am the one in the dark. I just wanted get some real info from people who know. I am not 100% about location but I am thinking rowanda. </div></div> start with the genocide between the Tutsi's and the Hutu's in 1994 in Rwanda. Then look at the current insurgency in Eastern Congo with the M23. After that if Rwanda is still an option I hope the job is working in security where carrying your self defensive tools are a must.

 

[Graham]

Re: African politics

A note to the wise: Traveling the lake district in eastern Africa isn't inherently dangerous; but the random rural checkpoints can be.

 

[Mike]

Re: African politics

If it's SA or Rhodesia (Yes, I know it's Zimbabwe now, old habits die hard) PM me. If not your SOL.

 

[Ninja]

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opportunity all over the world, ifn hes single - go for it. Don't drag a family.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it's SA or Rhodesia (Yes, I know it's Zimbabwe now, old habits die hard) PM me. If not your SOL.</div></div>

Maputo, Mozambique

 

[SSC]

Re: African politics

Main problem is we are talking about a young attractive white female.

 

[Mac21]

Re: African politics

You are not going to get any kind of worthwhile answer unless you can supply details, country and preferably city / district. Your question is on the same level as me asking on the forum whether anyone knows Joe Soap, he lives in America.

Get specifics, and then try again

 

[SSC]

Re: African politics

I was really hopin to talk to someone on the phone not on this forum. As stated before I don't have all of those details. I just wanted an overall feel for the situation.

 

[Victor N TN]

Re: African politics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Main problem is we are talking about a young attractive white female. </div></div>

There are places in Africa I may go. But there is NO WAY I would let a pretty white girl on her own to take such a trip. There is still a human trade there in white slavery. She may fetch a pretty price in the market place.

To be with the military and always with a large group is one thing. But where she may even accidentally be alone, NO. I don't care what the pay is. If you aren't alive to spend it, you've thrown your life away.

Tell her to contact the state department and see where the problem locations are.

Good luck.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

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Today's news includes reference to small US military missions being dispatched to quite a few African republics, for tasks that do not involve direct combat engagements without further US authorization.

To me, that would be sufficient reason to nix any American sorties to any of the less-developed African nations. IMHO, such military involvement, no matter how small or benign, inevitably and quickly evolves into a pretext for local Anti-American violence.

Look elsewhere.

Greg

 

[Bill Larson]

Re: African politics

FACT...... canabilism in some parts of Afrika still exist.
Most southern countries are encouraging/demanding/threatning white land owners (4 generations deep ) to get out.
bill larson

 

[Bill Larson]

Re: African politics

read about the african country of "LIBERIA".....one of the most modern countries of the continent....founded by American blacks..... financially supported by the U.S.
it`s leaders are accused of cannabilism......
bill larson

 

[Tburkes]

Re: African politics

You've been asked several times, what country in Africa? I have some contacts there, but it won't do any of us any good to pursue this if they're not anywhere near where your friend is thinking about going.

 

[SSC]

Re: African politics

As of now I only now that it is Rwanda but not sure what part. She will be dealing with coffee bean growers.

Thanks for the help everyone. I know my question is very vague but it is all the info I have.

 

[Queequeg]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tburkes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You've been asked several times, what country in Africa? I have some contacts there, but it won't do any of us any good to pursue this if they're not anywhere near where your friend is thinking about going.

</div></div>

Why? Is Africa big or something?

Sorry.

 

[Veer_G]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tburkes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You've been asked several times, what country in Africa? I have some contacts there, but it won't do any of us any good to pursue this if they're not anywhere near where your friend is thinking about going.

</div></div>

Why? Is Africa big or something?

Sorry. </div></div>

It's practically an island, barely connected to anything else at all, south of Sicily.

 

[Tburkes]

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Son, I wouldn't even go to Rwanda!!

Check out this link.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/travel-advice-by-country/sub-saharan-africa/rwanda

If your family member still insists on going make sure you create some special memories this Christmas and take lots of pictures. This could very well be the last any of you will ever see or hear from her again.

If it were someone in my family I'd personally break both of her legs to make sure she couldnt make the trip.

 

[Onemoretime]

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I haven't been to Rwanda in 15 years.... based on the above link, sounds like not much has changed.

NOT a place to go for a Young Attractive White Female.

 

[John L]

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I cannot believe a company would even consider sending a young white female to Rawanda. Money ain't everything.

 

[Queequeg]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't been to Rwanda in 15 years.... based on the above link, sounds like not much has changed.

NOT a place to go for a Young Attractive White Female. </div></div>

Or anyone else...

 

[Phil1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tburkes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Son, I wouldn't even go to Rwanda!!

Check out this link.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/travel-advice-by-country/sub-saharan-africa/rwanda

If your family member still insists on going make sure you create some special memories this Christmas and take lots of pictures. This could very well be the last any of you will ever see or hear from her again.

If it were someone in my family I'd personally break both of her legs to make sure she couldnt make the trip. </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">TELL HER NOT TO GO.</span>

AND THIS:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html

http://www.economist.com/news/middle-eas...ower-vacuum?zid

The Rwanda government is a supporter and recruiter for m23.

"Recent M23 abuses in eastern Congo include the deliberate killing of civilians, summary executions and rape. Among the cases we documented was that of an eight-year-old girl raped by M23 fighters. In another sickening case, a 32-year old woman in the village of Chengerero was gang raped by M23 fighters, who then poured fuel between her legs and set the fuel on fire. The M23 have also forcibly recruited civilians into their ranks and executed some who tried to flee. These abuses and those of other armed groups have contributed to the quickly deteriorating humanitarian situation in the region, with tens of thousands of people displaced by violence and fear.

Despite the Rwandan government's flat denials, Rwandan military support for the M23 has been significant throughout this period. During a visit to Kigali at the end of last month, I raised the issue of Rwanda's role with the main donors and embassies. Not one of them disputed the Rwandan army's direct involvement. Human Rights Watch's research shows clearly that Rwandan troops have been deployed in support of M23 operations, that ordinary Rwandans, including children, have been forcibly recruited and sent to Congo to fight with the M23, and that Rwandan military officials have supplied them with arms and ammunition. These findings match those of the UN Group of Experts on Congo, as detailed in their June interim report and in their final report, which has yet to be published but whose conclusions have been extensively leaked."

above from : http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/11/08/relations-rwanda-must-be-urgently-reviewed

 

[Nathaniel4545]

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Based on the links showed and what I have read here I would strongly advise that she not go! Hopefully reason and some serious thought and talk will help you keep your family safe!

 

[Veer_G]

Re: African politics

Maybe the OP will get a postcard ...

Seriously, ritual cannibalism in Central Africa is only a "real problem" if they don't give the victim the courtesy of an execution beforehand.

 

[timesublime]

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Might be worth checking out a copy of Shaking Hands with the Devil by Romeo Dallaire.

Description: When Roméo Dallaire was called on to serve as force commander of the UN Assistance Mission for Rwanda, he believed that his assignment was to help two warring parties achieve the peace they both wanted. Instead, he was exposed to the most barbarous and chaotic display of civil war and genocide in the past decade, observing in just one hundred days the killings of more than eight hundred thousand Rwandans.

Link

 

[Ninja]

Re: African politics

Raped in her heavily fortified home, my European council worker friend has never really recovered. It's not a challenge.

 

[c1steve]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Main problem is we are talking about a young attractive white female. </div></div>

A friend went there, to Uganda. She was a young attractive white female. She was in the peace corp, and they told her sooner or later you are going to be raped. She did not believe it would really happen to her...

About 8 months in, she was raped. She left soon after. Uganda is probably the worst for females. There is much corruption continent wide. Women are often treated like objects, and have little say in the matter.

I doubt that she would last much more than 9 months before being raped, or worse. Less if she is extra attractive. Very high rate of AIDS infection throughout Africa, probably higher in those that rape.

From a Uganda AIDS poster:
"But in some areas of Uganda a man can have sex with his brother's wife. This practice is <span style="text-decoration: underline">not</span> safe, because the man may not know how faithful is brother has been or how faithful his brother's wife has been. This is <span style="text-decoration: underline">not</span> safe especially if his brother has died of AIDS."

s

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Re: African politics

Short version:

Sounds to me, that whomever is "organizing" this trip is actually "pimping" for someone else. Follow the money.

And get a brain.

Merry Christmas.

 

[SSC]

Re: African politics

Well all of my talks have not ended well.

 

[1911fan]

Re: African politics

Take out a life insurance policy on her.


1911fan

 

[songdogslayer]

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Some people have to learn the hard way! Is there any way you could show her real life facts to put the scare in her? Maybe show her this tread to show her that you are not the only person that believes this is not a good idea.

 

[Bill Larson]

Re: African politics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As of now I only now that it is Rwanda but not sure what part. She will be dealing with coffee bean growers.

Thanks for the help everyone. I know my question is very vague but it is all the info I have. </div></div>

CAN ONLY IMAGINE..that. RAPE IS NOT AS BAD AS DECAPITATION...???

 

[SSC]

Re: African politics

The person she will be working with/for has told her that they haven't had a major crime that he knows of in the 6 years that he has been there. He said he doesn't even lock his doors. He says it is safer than parts of any big city in America.

So with that I have all but lost. She believes this is a chance of a lifetime and with what this gentleman has told her she no longer worried about her safety.

When I asked her if about evacuation plans if something happens over there, there was no real plan in place. She said that her security detail when traveling was the guy she works for in a car riding with her.

I flat out told her that if there was anything I could do to stop her I would, but she is a grown women and can make her own choices in life. So my role going forward is to pray and keep emailing her articles I come across.

 

[Veer_G]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">She said that her security detail when traveling was the guy she works for in a car riding with her.</div></div>

So, tell me, just what would this "boss" do besides guarding her precious posterior? If he's busy guarding her, why doesn't he do the job, guard himself, and save the payroll? Sorry, sounds fishy as shit, and I don't need to tell you that the odds are good that she's going to wind up a statistic.

If you haven't, show her the thread as a last resort.

 

[Poopsicle]

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Look, the fact of the matter is Rwanda is probably one of the best up and coming African nations right now and she is going to work in an industry that is one of their premier exports right now. Those are all the positives. However, we all know how volatile and quickly changing the political climate in Africa can be.

I have many friends who have gone to Africa, specifically a female doctor who was doing doctors without borders work in remote parts of Kenya. She came out 100% ok, but it comes down to dumb luck, situational awareness and having your wits about you.

Since it seems like she is going, maybe spend the time educating her on some self defense, come up with some situational plans of action, etc. that's the best it sounds like you can do at this point.

 

[SSC]

Re: African politics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
She said that her security detail when traveling was the guy she works for in a car riding with her.
</div></div>

This was meant as a joke. Meaning she has no security cause this guy won't be equipped to handle any situation. She won't be traveling much but this is all she has when she does.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-800</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Look, the fact of the matter is Rwanda is probably one of the best up and coming African nations right now and she is going to work in an industry that is one of their premier exports right now. Those are all the positives....

Since it seems like she is going, maybe spend the time educating her on some self defense, come up with some situational plans of action, etc. that's the best it sounds like you can do at this point....</div></div>

These are great points and this is how she is looking at it. For her the positives out weight the negatives. For me, it is opposite.

I don't think in any way this guy is pimping her out or that the job seems fishy. What they want to do sounds like it will work. They simply want to better the lives of the locals through coffee exports. What I do think is the Rwandan government is backing a viscous rebel army that does unthinkable things to women and children and all of that is taking place 75 miles from the capital of Rwanda where she will be.

 

[hiddenmongoose]

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Iv worked and been in Liberia,Sierra Leon,Chad,Gambia and I can tell you Africa is a serious shithole.I cant describe how corrupt,stupid,filthy,lazy the people of these countries are.When I try explain what my experiences of Africa were to others ,people say 'it cant be that bad 'or 'your begining to sound racist'.Im NOT racist, I dont care what colour your skin is, it makes no difference to me.But the people of those countries are scum.Cannibalism was still being reported in Bong country in Liberia when I was there in 06.I seen a guy stabbed after digging up a childs grave because he wanted to eat the dead childs heart (voodoo)I had adults offer me their daughters for sex for a few dollars (kids were less than 10 years old)I seen a man refuse to let a shipping container full of donated stuff for orphanages leave a port unless he got a bribe(containers fees were allready fully paid)Iv been caught at an illegal checkpoint (while I was unarmed) and held at gun point for cash.Iv seen people in Freetown Sierra leon with no arms/hands that were mutalated by their own people (RUF).Kids eating out of bins beside vultures the same size as them.Spoke to a missionary priest who swore that after 23 years in Africa he would never return after 2 of his friend (nuns) were raped and killed.OH and get this part..these people were the most racist people iv ever met.As soon as you cant help them or say sorry no then they show you their true colours, we are white devil scum in their eyes.
Il try route out some pics, iv got a pic of a massive billboard showing a man beating a woman with a club and underneath it says beating women is wrong !Africa is fucked up and unless your friend is going to be armed and in groups ALL the time i wouldnt let her go