Aguila SSS

[Shooter842]

This ammo is so specialized that I was actually a bit surprised to find it also out of stock everywhere. I wonder if the people hoarding it realize that you need a fast twist barrel to get Max performance out of it.

I use it for back yard varmint control and am down to my last 150 rounds. I shoot with a RPRF with a Bowers USS can and a Mcgowen 1:9 twist barrel. It is a dream with my vortex strike eagle 5-25 x56 scope. I didn’t realize I was so low on ammo but now starlings are swarming my feeders and it is all dried up.

I wish baffle strikes and missed targets on all the people that hoarded it up without knowing what they are buying haha.

Cheers and happy shooting!

 

[rubymymmars]

I feel the same way for all the Eley match that used to hang around. Now I'm lucky if I'm able to find arms core

 

[68hoyt]

Shooter 842
How did the fast twist barrel help accuracy , fliers , average groups ?
how much better is it than the factory barrel ?
any other info on the fast twist vs factory barrel
I have considered getting a fast twist barrel but people have complained they were not worth it as the quality of the sss wasn’t what it used to be ?

 

[Dolomite_Supafly]

I have shot and tested thousands of the SSS rounds.

I have tried 9, 11, 15 and of course 16 twist 22 barrels.

They do NOT need a 9 twist to be stable. They are stable with 15 twist or faster. The fast twist barrels gave bigger group

T/C Contender “match” 22 barrels are 15 twist and stabilize the SSS just fine. Early Marlin 880SQ also use a 15 twist.

BTW, these are the BEST rounds of you must use a 22 for defense. Out of a 2” barrel their velocity is ~800 fps and they penetrate 8”+ in gelatin. And because they are not stable they twist and tumble along the path.

 

[Tejano51]

I shoot these rounds in an old Remington 513T. With the long barrel, the bullets stabilize very well out to 50 yards. Never tried them out to 100. I am down to about 300 rounds and can't find them either.

 

[Dolomite_Supafly]

I shoot these rounds in an old Remington 513T. With the long barrel, the bullets stabilize very well out to 50 yards. Never tried them out to 100. I am down to about 300 rounds and can't find them either.
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I bet it is probably a 15 twist. Most of the 16 twist barrels I tried were unstable by 50 yards, not all but most.

I love the SSS in my Contender. I chopped the barrel to ~5” and threaded it for a silencer. These are silly quiet.

 

[Tejano51]

Dolomite_Superfly, I would love to the a photo or two of your rig. If things ever get back to normal (or close to it), I am going to buy several bricks of this ammo. Then I may order a Contender barrel with a fast twist rate, perhaps 1 in 9."

 

[Dolomite_Supafly]

DO NOT BUY 9 TWIST FOR SSS. They shoot like crap out of 9 twist.

everyone thinks that because they weigh 60g that they require a 9 twist like centerfire rifles. But cast bullets like these are much much shorter than jacketed bullets so they do not require as fast of a twist.

Anyone can calculate stability. Use a length of .6” and a diameter of .22 and a weight of 60 grains. Use a stability calculator. With subsonic bullets the JBM calculator isn’t exactly right but you want a SD of 1.8. A true Geeenhill calculator calculates subsonic stability a little better but it is far from ideal.

This is my nerd place I spend hours calculating stability, researching powder burn rates, thermal expansion data optimum loads for one off weapons.

I literally have a gun that I can shoot on one side of the car and a person standing on the other cannot hear it.

I spent four hours researching and two hours on the front phone with a friend confirming my thoughts. Most 300 BLK loads have muzzle pressures around of above 10k psi depending on barrel length. Through research I was able to get muzzle pressures below 4k. This means less pressure and gas for your silencer to deal with resulting in insanely quiet shots. It is literally quieter than a slingshot and I’m shooting a 220 SMK at 1000 fps.

Dolomite_Superfly, I would love to the a photo or two of your rig. If things ever get back to normal (or close to it), I am going to buy several bricks of this ammo. Then I may order a Contender barrel with a fast twist rate, perhaps 1 in 9."

It was a test rig I built specifically for the testing and sold it probably six months later. Nothing too crazy, just a warmed over 10/22 as that is what the “customer” wanted me to test. I did a lot of testing for people in the early 2000’s for people trying to achieve certain results.

 

[Tejano51]

DO NOT BUY 9 TWIST FOR SSS. They shoot like crap out of 9 twist.

everyone thinks that because they weigh 60g that they require a 9 twist like centerfire rifles. But cast bullets like these are much much shorter than jacketed bullets so they do not require as fast of a twist.

Anyone can calculate stability. Use a length of .6” and a diameter of .22 and a weight of 60 grains. Use a stability calculator. With subsonic bullets the JBM calculator isn’t exactly right but you want a SD of 1.8. A true Geeenhill calculator calculates subsonic stability a little better but it is far from ideal.

This is my nerd place I spend hours calculating stability, researching powder burn rates, thermal expansion data optimum loads for one off weapons.

I literally have a gun that I can shoot on one side of the car and a person standing on the other cannot hear it.

I spent four hours researching and two hours on the front phone with a friend confirming my thoughts. Most 300 BLK loads have muzzle pressures around of above 10k psi depending on barrel length. Through research I was able to get muzzle pressures below 4k. This means less pressure and gas for your silencer to deal with resulting in insanely quiet shots. It is literally quieter than a slingshot and I’m shooting a 220 SMK at 1000 fps.



It was a test rig I built specifically for the testing and sold it probably six months later. Nothing too crazy, just a warmed over 10/22 as that is what the “customer” wanted me to test. I did a lot of testing for people in the early 2000’s for people trying to achieve certain results.

Thank you!!!

 

[justin amateur]

I've tried them a couple times, not impressed.
Strictly a close range cartridge with quality control problems.

50 at 200

Have I commented enough on how poorly I shoot with a tailwind? :( If not, let me complain one more time. Tailwinds annoy me, not just a little, but heaps and heaps. The breeze sweeps down off the pines to the west, then tumbles across the metal roof over the benches, before boiling downrange...

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50 at 200

Have I commented enough on how poorly I shoot with a tailwind? :( If not, let me complain one more time. Tailwinds annoy me, not just a little, but heaps and heaps. The breeze sweeps down off the pines to the west, then tumbles across the metal roof over the benches, before boiling downrange...

www.rimfirecentral.com

 

[Tejano51]

I've tried them a couple times, not impressed.
Strictly a close range cartridge with quality control problems.

50 at 200

Have I commented enough on how poorly I shoot with a tailwind? :( If not, let me complain one more time. Tailwinds annoy me, not just a little, but heaps and heaps. The breeze sweeps down off the pines to the west, then tumbles across the metal roof over the benches, before boiling downrange...

www.rimfirecentral.com

50 at 200

Have I commented enough on how poorly I shoot with a tailwind? :( If not, let me complain one more time. Tailwinds annoy me, not just a little, but heaps and heaps. The breeze sweeps down off the pines to the west, then tumbles across the metal roof over the benches, before boiling downrange...

www.rimfirecentral.com

Good info. Thank you.

 

[BuckeyePrecision]

I had a couple of bricks of it that I used for varmints, but the only thing they would shoot out of was my BSA with a 29 in. barrel. I could consistently get sub 1 in. groups (many less than .75) at 50 and sub 2.5 in. groups at 100 with open sights. It wasnt going to win any matches, but I was happy with it. Best of all, with that long barrel, it was super quiet. Not much louder than my fiends Vudoo with an can on it. Unfortunately I am out of it now and cant find it anywhere like everyone else.

 

[Dolomite_Supafly]

I had a couple of bricks of it that I used for varmints, but the only thing they would shoot out of was my BSA with a 29 in. barrel. I could consistently get sub 1 in. groups (many less than .75) at 50 and sub 2.5 in. groups at 100 with open sights. It wasnt going to win any matches, but I was happy with it. Best of all, with that long barrel, it was super quiet. Not much louder than my fiends Vudoo with an can on it. Unfortunately I am out of it now and cant find it anywhere like everyone else.

I had an old trainer with a 28" barrel. These were also quiet in it.

 

[BuckeyePrecision]

I cant really answer your question on expansion, but they had great penetration on ground hogs. I was averaging about 825fps with them out of a 29 inch barrel and they were super quiet. The only other thing that was close to that slow that I have used was CCI Quiets and they wont even clear the barrel. Since I have run out of them I have been shooting CCI SV out of that rifle, the accuracy is about the same but they are noticeably louder.

All that said, it surprises me that they have stuck around for so long because out of all of the 22's I have tried them in, only one has actually liked them.

 

[Dolomite_Supafly]

For those who shot a bunch of these....

What's the expansion of these?

What is the benefit of these versus running a 40gr round nose at the same speed?

They punch a .22 cal hole at 50yds better than the SK/C-X rounds?

They shot like trash in every pistol and rifle I personally tried them in (8 guns).

I'm trying to figure out why they still make these hot garbage rounds. Just sayin'....

If you MUST carry a 22 these are the rounds to have. The have a muzzle velocity of ~800 fps out of a 2" barrel. They will penetrate 8" of gelatin and tumble almost immediately out of the muzzle.

Everybody thinks CCI Stingers are it but out of a pistol they rarely break 1,000 fps. And with the 32g bullet they are about like a short in performance.

If I had to carry a pistol it would be a tie between these and the CCI Velocitor depending on the gun. The shorter the barrel the more I would tend to use the SSS. The longer the barrel I would use the Velocitors because they too require barrel length to get to the advertised speeds.

 

[Tejano51]

I have a vintage Beretta model 70 pistol with a 6" barrel that feeds this SSS round reliably. Some rounds tumble at 7 yards and some don't. I was surprised it handled them so well. About half of my stash was used in up in this pistol before I discovered that my Remington 513T with its 27" long barrel likes it. A 22 LR Ruger LCR is on my wish list, but they are had to find like everything else.

 

[BAMAboy18]

About 15 years ago I took the "new" Ruger target tactical and in an attempt to match the accuracy of a 25 year old RSI I had built, I did the trigger work and removed the Ruger 16" hammer forged barrel and installed, what was advertised as a 16" stainless 1:11 optimised for the SSS from a company that was only around for a few years, I can't remember or find them now. It ended up being pretty accurate with the SSS, but never as much as my ole RSI. I lost both of those in a tragic pawn incident for 1 bill a piece ;,((
I got quite a starch of SSS , as well as other ammo. I just finished putting together a nothing special 10/22 plinker and I'm working on a new to me charger (incedently with that original ruger hammer forged bull barrel cut to 10". I've yet to fire either, so no idea what they're gonna like or do. I'm feeling the hankering to build another precision, just wish I could find one of those 16" 1:11 SS bull barrels to start with.
Pic of the 10/22 and what I started with for my charger (it's completely disassembled at the moment, binary trigger just arrived today!)

 

[BAMAboy18]

About 15 years ago I took the "new" Ruger target tactical and in an attempt to match the accuracy of a 25 year old RSI I had built, I did the trigger work and removed the Ruger 16" hammer forged barrel and installed, what was advertised as a 16" stainless 1:11 optimised for the SSS from a company that was only around for a few years, I can't remember or find them now. It ended up being pretty accurate with the SSS, but never as much as my ole RSI. I lost both of those in a tragic pawn incident for 1 bill a piece ;,((
I got quite a starch of SSS , as well as other ammo. I just finished putting together a nothing special 10/22 plinker and I'm working on a new to me charger (incedently with that original ruger hammer forged bull barrel cut to 10". I've yet to fire either, so no idea what they're gonna like or do. I'm feeling the hankering to build another precision, just wish I could find one of those 16" 1:11 SS bull barrels to start with.
Pic of the 10/22 and what I started with for my charger (it's completely disassembled at the moment, binary trigger just arrived today!)

It really sucks getting old and losing the ability to recal specifics. Maybe it was a 1:13. I do know the RSI barrel,bolt, & trigger were sent to Conneticut precision for the full list of upgrades, additionally then the barrel went to 300 below for cryo tempering. Of the 100s of guns I've loved before, that one has to be in my top 10...

 

[sparky702]

I have an old marlin model 60 with the micro groove barrel and it will shoot the 60 grain sss very well and I have a browning buck mark that shoots them great as well . I tried them with a 1/9 twist ar 22 lr conversation and they sucked .

 

[Big Bo]

I have a box and will try it in the B14R.