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AI Flat Trigger Shoe
- Thread starter Nik H
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I have one. If you like flat triggers, grab it.
It’s wide like the factory trigger.....and well.....flat.
I prefer the smooth curved comp trigger shoe on a tuned factory trigger. But the flat is definitely very nice.
It’s wide like the factory trigger.....and well.....flat.
I prefer the smooth curved comp trigger shoe on a tuned factory trigger. But the flat is definitely very nice.
You know...I figured that if anyone had tried it, it would be you.
Thanks for the info. Never tried a flat trigger.....but it is a new AI part....LOL
Finger isn’t relegated to the back of the curve.
If your finger is more comfortable at the top or the bottom of the trigger and you force yourself to use the curve since it’s rhe only option, this is for you.
I like 'em.
I ran a prototype since January and tried a few different positions on the trigger hanger, ended up here.
First stage ends at a perfect 90 degree sear break like this.
I ran a prototype since January and tried a few different positions on the trigger hanger, ended up here.
First stage ends at a perfect 90 degree sear break like this.
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Does this only work on the competition trigger, or on the standard AX trigger as well?
Accuracy International Flat Trigger Shoe for Competition Trigger 22-084
Accuracy International Flat Trigger Shoe for Competition Trigger 22-084 For Sale
I need to order one but haven't decided if I should buy the Comp trigger or not along with it.
What’s configuration/weight would you like to run the comp trigger?
And what’s more important to you, absolute reliability or fully tuned/lighter trigger?
2lbs would be great. But reliability is more important than a lighter trigger.
I’d tune the factory trigger up a bit then. Take out all the tension on the front adjustment. The tweak the sear screw. My factory trigger is about 1.5lb.
A drop test straight on the butt with the safety off is so so.
The comp trigger has 6 different adjustment screws and they all influence one another. Its extremely finicky and sensative. I’ve had three fail. Two of them were sent back to xtsp and both came back “tuned” from the owner. Without any further adjustments I was still able to get them to not perform 100% when they came back. Tried them in two different AI’s and even swapped the bolted between them. Same issues.
I’ve know at least another 7-8 guys down here who have had similar issues. And I’ve read at least 3 occurrences on the AI Facebook page of comp triggers failing.
They feel great when/if you get them running right. And some guys say they have great success with them, which is awesome.
If you get one, my suggestion would be to keep the factory trigger and tools on hand in your pack. If it does go down, you can have it swapped out in a few minutes and be back in it.
Def keep you stock trigger in your pack OP. I am 250 rounds in since my last adj when I added my flat shoe. I used wax this time on ALL my screws post adj to see if it will keep them from working loose. My trigger is at 1lb drop safe with 2 stages.
Yea. The only failures I have had at anytime were the damn first stage screw working loose and the first stage travel screw moving I can only assume under recoil/ and trigger pulls. The first time it failed I only waxed in my trigger pull weight screws. Now all my screws are waxed so we will see if it works loose again. I am still on the fence if it's worth it. It's quite the hassle dialing it down and testing it over and over. The workable adj range is much less than the total adjustment range I have found so honestly unless you want a single stage I'm leaning towards saying just keep your stock trigger as getting a two stage reliably under 1.5 lbs has been time consuming. I am fairly confident it can be done though guys just need to know going into it how big of a pita it is to get both sear screws dialed in with the pull weights then when you have everything set either a drop of blue loctite applied with a needle or simple wax to hold the screws. I would be happy to adj anyone's comp trigger if desired to see if I can get my settings replicated. Can't be any worse than what your reporting from xtsp. I argue it's not really a true drop in and go trigger
The comp trigger takes quite a bit of adjusting to get complete reliability. Probably took me a couple of hours. Of course I was doing the most difficult thing - trying to make it a single stage trigger. With the initial adjustments I made, the trigger felt great but was not drop reliable. I had to play with them quite a bit and finally, even though the instructions advised against it, I had to play with the sear screws. After a couple of hours of tweaking, I finally got the pull I wanted and have the trigger and safety work 100% and also remain safe when dropped (before, the sear would release if dropped on it's butt with enough force). I'm of the same opinion as huskydirver, if you don't need it to be a single stage, the standard trigger just makes life simpler.
How many rounds/dry fires do you have on it?
Mine was single stage and made it 250 rnds or so. Ended up failing to cock at times and then completely failed. Couldn’t get it right.
Sent two comps triggers to xtsp to have tuned as single stage. When they came back, they would both slam fire.
Multiple emails and back and forth with xtsp and I was never able to get it to work all the time every time.
In the end, I decided it wasn’t worth it. I spent probably 9hrs of time adjusting 3 triggers and it the only time I could get them reliable was in a 1.5-2lb two stage configuration.
I've got about 200 rounds prior to my most recent adjustments. The trigger always worked and no cocking failures. However, the drop test failure always bothered me, so I tried tweaking it and that's when I started having issues with the safety. So I finally reset everything. Right now I can drop it on the buttstock from chest high and it will not trip the sear with or without safety engaged. Just did this yesterday so I don't have any live fire yet. Just dry fire and it's operating as it should.
Did you attempt to tune the trigger with the heavier spring? I played with it quite a bit with the factory installed spring, but the trigger pull was just a touch lighter than I prefer. I was trying to get it to the 2.5-3 lb range in single stage. I finally switched over to the heavier spring in order to get the trigger pull I wanted. Also, from my own experience and seeing how the various parts of the trigger interact. I think for those looking to set it as a single stage, it's best to leave just the tiniest bit of take up for the 1st stage travel before it hits the 2nd stage "wall" because if you take it all out, it applies pressure to the second stage. That would be my guess as to why it slam fires. When I left that little bit of travel, the slam firing stopped.
Did you attempt to tune the trigger with the heavier spring? I played with it quite a bit with the factory installed spring, but the trigger pull was just a touch lighter than I prefer. I was trying to get it to the 2.5-3 lb range in single stage. I finally switched over to the heavier spring in order to get the trigger pull I wanted. Also, from my own experience and seeing how the various parts of the trigger interact. I think for those looking to set it as a single stage, it's best to leave just the tiniest bit of take up for the 1st stage travel before it hits the 2nd stage "wall" because if you take it all out, it applies pressure to the second stage. That would be my guess as to why it slam fires. When I left that little bit of travel, the slam firing stopped.
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I have over 500 rounds on my competition trigger and 2X that in dry fire and haven’t had a single issue.
That being said, I only adjusted the OT setting a touch. Weight was perfect as it came.
No drop test failures either
Just lucky I guess
That being said, I only adjusted the OT setting a touch. Weight was perfect as it came.
No drop test failures either
Just lucky I guess
I tried just about everything.
IMO when you send two triggers to the manufacturer and they both come back failing in multiple rifles with multiple bolts.......there’s a problem.
If the designer/builder can’t get it right, I’m not gonna keep fucking with it.
I’ve had multiple matches and probably close to 2,000 rounds through my comp trigger. Not a single issue. Then again, I never had the intention of turning it down to super low pull weight. Mine is set at .75 lb first stage and 1 lb second stage with a nice long first stage. I used pink (low) strength loctite on the screws after I got them where I wanted. I never messed with the sear engagement, just travel adjustment and weight. 100% safe and reliable for me and excellent trigger pull.
Is there a difference? Did the comp trigger get changed since its initial release?
@Nik H
If you watch this at some point they talk about making changes. I have no way to verify if the trigger I purchased has the changes or when they were implemented. These changes may have been made before the product was released to the public.
The only issue I had with my previous AI Comp Trigger was during the Competition Dynamics Steel Safari as it failed dropped test so I swapped it to my stock AI Trigger.
I normally don't adjust my gear too much but I have the AO chassis being installed so I'd like to give the Competition trigger another try. I plan on leaving it as it comes from the factory so hopefully, it's a nice crisp two-stage.
If you watch this at some point they talk about making changes. I have no way to verify if the trigger I purchased has the changes or when they were implemented. These changes may have been made before the product was released to the public.
The only issue I had with my previous AI Comp Trigger was during the Competition Dynamics Steel Safari as it failed dropped test so I swapped it to my stock AI Trigger.
I normally don't adjust my gear too much but I have the AO chassis being installed so I'd like to give the Competition trigger another try. I plan on leaving it as it comes from the factory so hopefully, it's a nice crisp two-stage.
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