AIAW misfire

[beenjammin]

Well i was at the range today shooting my AIAW like anyotherday and had a little accident.

I was shooting off a bench and chambered my 1st round getting ready to fire and decided to readajust a little so I reached to put the weapon on safety and BAM!. Fingers no where near the trigger, touching the safety lever made the weapon fire. Thank God it was pointing downrange. I was was very upset by the whole ordeal that I packed it up for the day.

Now, granted I did adjust the trigger a while back. Nothing fancy just a little less weight, but I have had it this way for several months with no issue at all.

I am going to set the trigger back this evening, but wanted to share this for others to know that with the AI, there is a point the trigger can be too light.

 

[Dogtown]

Re: AIAW misfire

Drop a line to AI also - they will want to know when their rifles do these kinds of things.

 

[nolo263]

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How light did you have it? I have mine pretty light and no problems

 

[beenjammin]

Re: AIAW misfire

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nolo263</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How light did you have it? I have mine pretty light and no problems </div></div>

Well, I did 1/4 turns on the set screw until it felt good. I also took out most of the first stage and made it feel like a single stage trigger ( this was my issue I think)

Like I said: I have had it like this for a year come Christmas. Plus this is also my second AW over the years. This is the first time this has happenned. Scared me really good. The funny thing is I hit the target.

 

[awp762]

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A few questions for you:

Did you do the 3 safety tests after adjusting it?
1) drop/bump test
2) open close bolt vigorously several times
3) safety on/off in all 3 positions after the adjustment

If the tests were performed, did you try them inside in warm weather then try them outside in cold weather?

I adjusted mine down to 1LB & it is now a single stage. I have to test it outside in cold weather to see if that makes any difference.

Also have you disassembled your bolt to clean it yet?
Have you removed your trigger group & cleaned it out/oiled it?

AI can provide you with the bolt disassembly instructions if you don't know how to do it. They can also provide you the correct way to clean/oil your trigger. I've had mine for over 10 years & finally cleaned both items. Both of them were clean when disasembled but it was recommended to do this each year if you shoot in dirty conditions.

 

[beenjammin]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: awp762</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A few questions for you:

Did you do the 3 safety tests after adjusting it?
1) drop/bump test - yep
2) open close bolt vigorously several times - not with the intention of attempting to cause it to dry fire, but I have fired it over the past year many times.
3) safety on/off in all 3 positions after the adjustment -i generally do not use the manual safety. i usually keep the bolt back and mag out of the weapon when not firing.

If the tests were performed, did you try them inside in warm weather then try them outside in cold weather? this could be it too: It is just recently becoming more cold outside here. But I thought AW stood for arctic warfare

I adjusted mine down to 1LB & it is now a single stage. I have to test it outside in cold weather to see if that makes any difference. again cold to me here in southern AL is 40s if it gets 30 or below we all freak out here.

Also have you disassembled your bolt to clean it yet? Maybe one time since I got it new a year ago.
Have you removed your trigger group & cleaned it out/oiled it? Never have done this.

AI can provide you with the bolt disassembly instructions if you don't know how to do it. They can also provide you the correct way to clean/oil your trigger. I've had mine for over 10 years & finally cleaned both items. Both of them were clean when disasembled but it was recommended to do this each year if you shoot in dirty conditions. </div></div>


Thanks again for the feedback. Some of my buddys always thought my trigger pull was too light on this weapon anyway. I had been wanting to put a little more weight behind it. I had it where just thinking about shooting would fire.

 

[Mag 300]

Re: AIAW misfire

If your having a trigger issue besides the adjustment clean it with lighter fluid, it cleans and leaves a base of I think Kerosene that lubes the components. nothing to do with the adjustment thought you may want to know
Bill

 

[MtGoat]

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My cocking piece on my AIAW would occasionally ride the bolt down (would not stay cocked). I spoke with Stacey and ended up sending both of my AI trigger assemblies in and he adjusted them to the same pull (anyway I cannot tell the difference). The AW trigger was simply set too light by the PO. As has been said many times before contact Stacey Blankinship and he can walk your through the process to keep the rifle safe.

Pat

 

[bonneville]

Re: AIAW misfire

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nolo263</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How light did you have it? I have mine pretty light and no problems </div></div>

Well, I did 1/4 turns on the set screw until it felt good. I also took out most of the first stage and made it feel like a single stage trigger ( this was my issue I think)

Like I said: I have had it like this for a year come Christmas. Plus this is also my second AW over the years. This is the first time this has happenned. Scared me really good. The funny thing is I hit the target.

</div></div>Hi beenjammin
the AI trigger is a two stage trigger because this will allow it to return to a known starting position. If you take up the first stage but then do not take the shot & release the pressure the trigger sear & bent will return to there original postions.The first stage can be taken several times without taking the shot but each time the trigger will reset.
If howerver the trigger wieght is reduced it will make this opperation harder for the trigger to perform & may not reset correctley.Combine light trigger wieght with adjusting out the second stage of the trigger will result in as you take up the trigger pressure the trigger bent will move in relation to the release edge of the trigger sear,if for any reason you should decide not to take the shot & release the trigger pressure the trigger will not reset & the sear & bent will remain in there current positions.
When you reapply pressure to the trigger the single stage you have created may be shorter than you expected or indead the trigger may be on the edge of releasing it's self.
The trigger is a military trigger & has the min pull wieght of 1.5 Kg this is to allow for correct opperation & non release of the trigger if the rifle is dropped from 1.5M onto it's butt.

 

[Mag 300]

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I have the cure !!!!!

Sell it to me for scrap value!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[beenjammin]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MtGoat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My cocking piece on my AIAW would occasionally ride the bolt down (would not stay cocked). I spoke with Stacey and ended up sending both of my AI trigger assemblies in and he adjusted them to the same pull (anyway I cannot tell the difference). The AW trigger was simply set too light by the PO. As has been said many times before contact Stacey Blankinship and he can walk your through the process to keep the rifle safe.

Pat </div></div>

Yep, I have spoke with Stacey and Scott about these rifles on several occasions. I appreciate the responses. I just had it too light. I have since corrected the issue, but just wanted to give a heads up for anyone else playing with the trigger on one of these AWs.

 

[BLANKSGUNS]

Re: AIAW misfire

Thanks for the updated post and response. The triggers are adjustable and set from the factory for go and no-go requirements. As the end user, if you decide to change these, I will highly recommend you either attend a sponsored AI Armorer's/Maintenance course or contact me directly for assistance. You can easily make something go from the safe side to the dark side of "accident waiting to happen" with a couple of turns. Stay safe, ask for assistance and enjoy the product. Happy holidays to all.