Looks like we need an abortion vs adoption vs sex Ed thread
So post here- keep motivational pic thread safe from Roe v wade
So post here- keep motivational pic thread safe from Roe v wade
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By "abortion" do you mean murder due to selfish convenience?
Having personal experience with this. Yes incest and rape is okay if done early on. As well as true risk to mother.
I'm OK with that early on. That's what Plan B, the "morning after" pill, and Ru486 are for.
The cops better find that prick before I do.
Tough one here. Morning after pill I'm kind of ok with, even though technically without interference the group of cells is an individual human (different dna to mother and father). Abortion in this case is a much tougher ethical question. Rape is abhorrent and evil. However the actions of the father, are not the babies fault. Not the mothers either, I understand that. One issue most people don't realise, is that abortion can leave the mother sterile, and is not a risk free procedure for the mother. I cannot imagine the turmoil for women who get raped and fall pregnant, so I can't have a firm conviction here like I do with abortion in general. If by some chance, there is a lady reading this who has been raped, please do not feel judged in any way by me. All I can offer you is my sincere wish of peace and healing in every way possible.
That said, the VAST majority of abortions are not due to rapes or incest. The overwhelming majority of abortions are simply convenience - lack of foresight by the parents to use protection, or forgetting to due to substances (alcohol etc). I have no grace for people who think abortion is a form of birth control.
Not that this is a solution to the issue, but even talking about this makes me want to protect my wife and daughter that little bit more than I do already. Bring up my boys to be real men - to value the women in their lives. First, by honouring their mother, and protecting their little sister, as practice for how they will honour and protect their girlfriends, and wives in the future. I'm probably super traditional in family values, but my Dad did it that way, and so will I.
Me and you are on the same page. My problem is with abortion being pushed to insane levels and really detaching the humanity of the situation.
In my line of work, I've had to take women for psychiatric evals because they are suicidal after having an abortion. It's not pretty.
That and Margaret Sanger was a racist eugenics pusher who wanted nothing but the master race, so she founded Planned Parenthood and conveniently had the clinics placed in the high-density minority population centers......................
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So if my daughter gets raped, why does the baby get the death penalty?
Thumb clip,
Pull pin,
place grenade on lap.......
Nothing good can come of this.
My opinion of the topic is that the government should not be in anyway involved in the funding or if involved once its determined someone is irresponsible beyond reason sterilization is the only option.
Pull pin,
place grenade on lap.......
Nothing good can come of this.
My opinion of the topic is that the government should not be in anyway involved in the funding or if involved once its determined someone is irresponsible beyond reason sterilization is the only option.
I ran across this video, and it makes it hard to justify. Your thoughts....
Trying to use an extremely small percentage of cases to argue a point is ludacris.
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Akin to "Would you allow people to have nuclear weapons under 2A?"
Put this in that context.
People need to realize when a disagreement is intractable and try to come to some accommodation that suits both sides.
I think that accommodation needs to be individual case based.
Amazing the left has been so effective in "brain washing" (Eric Holders word) the populace to be against inanimate guns yet no similar effort comes from conservatives.
Granted mind control and control of the individual, accepting when they are irresponsible, is not really in the psyche of limited government people.
Is this thread ment to cause a raging debate or to voice one's thoughts and opinions and leave it at that?? Asking for a friend
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.Is this thread ment to cause a raging debate or to voice one's thoughts and opinions and leave it at that?? Asking for a friend
Its not the same friend you asked the question "If a man blows me does that make me gay?" for is it?
What is the true Libertarians view on this?
How does a Ron Paul balance the liberty of the "carriers" vs the libert of the "carried"?
This needs an analysis without emotion.
At the end though we are emotional animals and certainly it has to be considered we dont always do or dont do things because it makes the most sense rationally..........sometime we do or dont do things because they are the right thing to do/not do.
How does a Ron Paul balance the liberty of the "carriers" vs the libert of the "carried"?
This needs an analysis without emotion.
At the end though we are emotional animals and certainly it has to be considered we dont always do or dont do things because it makes the most sense rationally..........sometime we do or dont do things because they are the right thing to do/not do.
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Most self described libertarians would not agree with either of the "Pauls". Both are physicians and have been vocal about thier pro-life stance.
Most libertarians I have been aquainted with where fiscal conservatives because they didn't want to pay any taxes, and socially liberal because they wanted to smoke all the dope they wanted.
So, they basically wanted all the benefits of an ordered society, as long as none of rules and responsibilities applied to them.
I can agree with a "Utility" view of Libertarianism and the enjoyment of freedom up to the point your enjoyment impacts my enjoyment.
The fact the Pauls being physicians and generally Libertarian is a strong point in this debate.
What do they know?
The fact the Pauls being physicians and generally Libertarian is a strong point in this debate.
What do they know?
A couple of things here:
Abortion for 1. Threat to the life of the mother, 2. Severe malformation/non-viable, 3. Rape, incest, all had availability BEFORE Roe vs Wade. That has always been a false argument, and still is. Availability to termination of pregnancy for real medical reasons has never NOT been available.
The picture of a coat hanger in the alley, is only due to "murder for convenience". Medical necessity has always allowed for safe, professional care. Even in states where the procedure is disallowed for any reason, travel to a neighboring state is simple.
"My body my choice" Flat out bullshit: If it was HER body, SHE would be the one who dies. A pregnancy involves two humans to start and two humans to complete. The mother and the child are two different beings. The child may be connected, may be totally dependent, but it is still a separate human life.
Abortion for no other reason than convenience is a decision made WITHOUT consultation and consent of one of the parties, the party to whom it affects the most.
Roe Vs Wade was NOT about a "woman's choice", as marketed. It was about not allowing a husband or father to have a say at all. He wanted the child. She wanted to kill it to spite him. Out of that, has grown a huge amount of furor, and an entire baby-killing industry.
Abortion for 1. Threat to the life of the mother, 2. Severe malformation/non-viable, 3. Rape, incest, all had availability BEFORE Roe vs Wade. That has always been a false argument, and still is. Availability to termination of pregnancy for real medical reasons has never NOT been available.
The picture of a coat hanger in the alley, is only due to "murder for convenience". Medical necessity has always allowed for safe, professional care. Even in states where the procedure is disallowed for any reason, travel to a neighboring state is simple.
"My body my choice" Flat out bullshit: If it was HER body, SHE would be the one who dies. A pregnancy involves two humans to start and two humans to complete. The mother and the child are two different beings. The child may be connected, may be totally dependent, but it is still a separate human life.
Abortion for no other reason than convenience is a decision made WITHOUT consultation and consent of one of the parties, the party to whom it affects the most.
Roe Vs Wade was NOT about a "woman's choice", as marketed. It was about not allowing a husband or father to have a say at all. He wanted the child. She wanted to kill it to spite him. Out of that, has grown a huge amount of furor, and an entire baby-killing industry.
Bingo.
Whenever I hear the rape argument I say fine, you can have those, as long as you agree the other 99% are bullshit.
Her body her choice... False analogy, not her body and she made a choice knowing it was possible to get knocked up.
Until the bills come in...
Dad has zero say until Mom decides financing is needed.
As "some" like to talk about "settled science" half of the chromosomes are from the Dad.
While we are at it financing PP with tax dollars is a cluster fuck.
Especially when they are donating back millions to team blue...
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If the perpetrator of rape/incest doesn't get the death penalty, why should an innocent third party?
Liberal misdirection. That is about 1% of all abortions.
The above was more of a statement concerning this specific circumstance than a retort.
Until one has experienced the above it's all speculation.
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I will never understand people who want an abortion , if as a teenager i had gotten someones daughter nocked up i would have hoped i would do right by both of them , and myself , making better choices takes that problem away unless you are ready and wanting a family then congrats you just made one live with it. The only people i have heard that said you could never , or that under no circumstances were the demacratic officles and tv reporters. I agree that no where in the constitution does it garentee a person taxpayer paid abortions. and as such i dont like the money i pay in taxes that go to pay lazy ass people who could and can make better choices rather than walk into a moving car like buy a box its only a few dollars. Rubbers are cheap compared to the cost of a child . you can fix a lot of things in life but stupid is forever. And doesn't late term abortions basicaly mean murder is legal since the baby is born and outside the womb then killed . could you not take that and say i shot so in so 43 years late for his late term abortion ? why would anyone want to open that box of worms. soylent green ? or so planed parenthood has another influx of stem cells to sell to make money. and if life is a choice then they really should pay for there own abortions and stop forcing taxpayers to foot the bill.
Gents,
I believe the abortion issue is biggest one facing our country and that until we get this one right, we’re going downhill fast.
Perhaps we can use the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and pledge of allegiance to prove how wrong we are for allowing abortion.
“We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.___ That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”
The first sentence covers completely what our founders thought about humanity and that every human being has the right to Life. The fifth amendment to our Constitution guarantees that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of the law. Finally, the last words of the Pledge are “liberty and justice for all.” That SHOULD be enough.
The second sentence is perhaps the most condemning since it answers the question, “why do we have government?” The founders stated explicitly that the only reason for a government to exist is to secure the rights of the individual, the primary of which is LIFE. They also stated that Government has just powers - and it does. Therefore, a government that will not use its just powers to protect life, especially innocent life, has dealt a serious blow to its legitimacy. It’s a shame that a Nation who does so much good around the world, gives so much in charity, and has sacrificed so much and so many for freedom could let such an abomination go on at home.
If you’ve read this far, my since thanks. One more thing, I believe there is a serious case to be made proving that Roe v Wade is unconstitutional, probably beyond the scope of the thread at present. Finally, it’s a hell of a shame that a bigger stink gets made over waterboarding some terrorist than over killing a baby.
I'm a Christian, and will gladly discuss this issue from that angle, but thought this might be a simpler approach since all Americans should respect the Constitution, and thereby the Declaration, which is its foundation. Any Okies who do not know about Senate bill 13 please PM me.
S/F and God bless America
I believe the abortion issue is biggest one facing our country and that until we get this one right, we’re going downhill fast.
Perhaps we can use the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and pledge of allegiance to prove how wrong we are for allowing abortion.
“We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.___ That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”
The first sentence covers completely what our founders thought about humanity and that every human being has the right to Life. The fifth amendment to our Constitution guarantees that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of the law. Finally, the last words of the Pledge are “liberty and justice for all.” That SHOULD be enough.
The second sentence is perhaps the most condemning since it answers the question, “why do we have government?” The founders stated explicitly that the only reason for a government to exist is to secure the rights of the individual, the primary of which is LIFE. They also stated that Government has just powers - and it does. Therefore, a government that will not use its just powers to protect life, especially innocent life, has dealt a serious blow to its legitimacy. It’s a shame that a Nation who does so much good around the world, gives so much in charity, and has sacrificed so much and so many for freedom could let such an abomination go on at home.
If you’ve read this far, my since thanks. One more thing, I believe there is a serious case to be made proving that Roe v Wade is unconstitutional, probably beyond the scope of the thread at present. Finally, it’s a hell of a shame that a bigger stink gets made over waterboarding some terrorist than over killing a baby.
I'm a Christian, and will gladly discuss this issue from that angle, but thought this might be a simpler approach since all Americans should respect the Constitution, and thereby the Declaration, which is its foundation. Any Okies who do not know about Senate bill 13 please PM me.
S/F and God bless America
Well said, but as an Aussie, God Bless both our countries! (Australia is now like Kalifornia... or worse)
Can't be all bad, ya'll sent us Ken Ham, who has a thing or two to say about abortion.
I see nothing wrong in what you've stated, and I also believe that it is worth repeating. Good one.
I'm sure I'll get torn up for saying my piece-
It is none of my business what happens between a woman and her doctor. I can only imagine how hard of a decision that would have to be for someone. Who am I to decide what is best, right, wrong for someone else.
We can all agree or disagree that abortion is right or wrong. But in the end we aren't the ones having to make the decision.
It is none of my business what happens between a woman and her doctor. I can only imagine how hard of a decision that would have to be for someone. Who am I to decide what is best, right, wrong for someone else.
We can all agree or disagree that abortion is right or wrong. But in the end we aren't the ones having to make the decision.
Hush up.
No one said murder of a baby is easy.
Either plan ahead (oh wait, what is that?) or deal with what happens.
Legally allowing murder of an innocent being is a degredation of the moral fabric of this republic.
No one said murder of a baby is easy.
Either plan ahead (oh wait, what is that?) or deal with what happens.
Legally allowing murder of an innocent being is a degredation of the moral fabric of this republic.
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