Maggie’s All things abortion -

[Frankly]

I’m pro-abortion, euthanisia, suicide, and the death penalty. I believe in eugenics and widespread sterilization of illegal immigrants, retards, criminals and starving Africans.

If we got the Earth’s human population down from 7.4 billion to around 100 million then we could restore entire ecosystems, migration corridors and large predators. We’d have enough smart people to advance technology without the burden of miserable stupid beggars.

If you don’t fix the core problem of over population and billions of stupid people from shitholes they’re just going to drag us down with them.

Kill em as humanely as possible but get em dead!

 

[TxWelder35]

My position on this has been the same.

Watching the sonogram of my son to be on the monitor 20 weeks in, sucking him thumb, rolling around, responding to stimuli, it is unbelievable to me that someone can say that is not a life and can ever live with themselves murdering a child out of convenience.

Also these same people that claim women's rights to murder babies will scream bloody murder if you hunt animals.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

Itdr

I’m pro-abortion, euthanisia, suicide, and the death penalty. I believe in eugenics and widespread sterilization of illegal immigrants, retards, criminals and starving Africans.

If we got the Earth’s human population down from 7.4 billion to around 100 million then we could restore entire ecosystems, migration corridors and large predators. We’d have enough smart people to advance technology without the burden of miserable stupid beggars.

If you don’t fix the core problem of over population and billions of stupid people from shitholes they’re just going to drag us down with them.

Kill em as humanely as possible but get em dead!

Great point let’s start with you and your family’s hmmm maybe not such a good idea. What if the deciding powers thought that way of you family

 

[Sniperwannabee]

Any man that is for abortion is no man. Men by nature are protectors of innocents and children. If you think abortion is ok your just another brain washed PC idiot that can’t think for themselves and to lazy to do some research. It’s not that hard if Hillary is for it it must not be good. Abortion is the modern day holocaust

 

[Frankly]

You guys realize that most of the American babies being aborted would otherwise grow into future low-IQ violent criminals or careless women (like their mothers) don't you? We're not talking about intelligent, loved babies from proper nuclear families. The people getting abortions are often scum. and their kids are scum too.

Why would want more idiots running around? This is the ONLY sound government program: by getting the stupid, promiscuous and irresponsible to abort their DNA we're actually removing them from the gene pool. That's good.

Not letting them be aborted is dysgenic, they are a burden on society and apt to violently offend. Since these a-holes out-reproduce good people 10 to 1, damn right, coat hanger up the chute, twist and pull.

Perhaps your God thinks that's OK but my notion is that we have free will and intelligence to take control of ourselves and fix our problems. Since you've let the idiots already over populate and ruin things for us, at least kill a few of them.

 

[Blutroop]

I’d sleep better after dragging a eugenic out into public by his pubes, castrateing him, lighting him on fire, and pissing on his ashes than letting anyone I know have a abortion. Rape? Already we have a problem with girls screaming rape 30 years later and killing people’s careers.. so let’s give em more incentive.. Freedom of choice? They made their choice the night before. If a newborn baby isn’t protected by the constitution, what hope do we have? It should be obvious we will get bloody in our future. The only question is if we take the fight to them or wait till they use their element of surprise.

 

[RidiculousMetacarpus]

1. I think abortion is technically murder.

2. I also think murder is sometimes ok.

Refutes both sides.

What "could have been", same as "what ought have been" arguments are arguments of guesswork, aka faith aka moral ethics for the mere (and only mere) moral ethics. Guess work hypothetical make me feel good bullshit that is purely untested until it happens - when it seldom does. Ever met someone who did an abortion who also has a stellar record of producing presidents, CEOs? Didnt think so.

The second someone comes along to say murder is bad because Christianity said so, but somehow self defense murder is good, has now violated ad absurdum that murder is bad. Its either bad 100% of the time or not. Pick one faggots. Time to get away from the argument that "murder is bad" if it only holds up 50% of the time IN REAL LIFE.

 

[avalanche]

If murder is ok sometimes, then who's to say when? If someone murders your spouse or kids, but they think its ok sometimes, then who are you to say its not ok sometimes? If its ok sometimes, it becomes ok all the time, as everyone has different opinions on when its ok. Just the same, if murder isn't ok (which most of modern society thinks is fact) then its NEVER ok. To make an exception because of the location of a baby (inside the womb vs not in the womb is stupid. The value of a human life has no correlation with what that human life ends up doing in life. Life has value. If some life has value and some doesn't, then your constitution does not hold for you. (all men are created equal).

Regarding Christianity, morals and ethics. Most of western civilization's moral, ethical, and a good portion of legal, code, comes from Judeo-Christian faith. It's done the west pretty well so far?

Re self defense... well, its no longer murder. Its defense. If it was murder, you'd go to jail. If its self defense, you don't. (unless you're in Australia). You cannot define all taking of life as murder. I'm 110% ok with self defense, and in war, taking others lives to defend my country. I'm 110% not ok with actual murder, no matter the age of the human life.

So in summary, you're right. Murder is either bad 100% of the time or not. I am of the opinion that its bad 100% of the time.

Everyone has the right to the opinions, and whilst I don't agree with yours, I do understand your point.

 

[avalanche]

You guys realize that most of the American babies being aborted would otherwise grow into future low-IQ violent criminals or careless women (like their mothers) don't you? We're not talking about intelligent, loved babies from proper nuclear families. The people getting abortions are often scum. and their kids are scum too.

Why would want more idiots running around? This is the ONLY sound government program: by getting the stupid, promiscuous and irresponsible to abort their DNA we're actually removing them from the gene pool. That's good.

Not letting them be aborted is dysgenic, they are a burden on society and apt to violently offend. Since these a-holes out-reproduce good people 10 to 1, damn right, coat hanger up the chute, twist and pull.

Perhaps your God thinks that's OK but my notion is that we have free will and intelligence to take control of ourselves and fix our problems. Since you've let the idiots already over populate and ruin things for us, at least kill a few of them.

The babies are innocent until proven 'scum'.

The genepool is so wide and deep, removing a few hundred thousand innocent babies for the mistakes of their parents, makes little to no difference to the available genetic variations available. The parents will eventually have a child usually (or multiple) so their DNA isn't removed permanently anyway.

Not ALL babies in low socio-economic areas end up as criminals etc. Lets explore your point. How many non-scum kids does there need to be before you wouldn't be willing to kill the lot of them? What if one of those aborted babies was going to grow up an amazing scientist - the next Einstein, and cure cancer? Saying 'not letting them be aborted' makes it sound as if it happens as a natural process. Let me ask you, with respect, would YOU be willing to conduct an abortion for someone? Suck a baby out of a womans womb, or rip it apart with suction or forceps. Did you know the babies often cry and are left critically injured in another room away from the mother, to die in pain?

We do indeed have free-will, and intelligence. Why not use it before the issue happens that needs to be 'fixed'. Its the same reason I dont drive drunk. I know my car has airbags to save my life, but why risk it to begin with?

Over population is realistically only an issue in africa and asia - ironically where abortions and low value for human life is rife. Doesn't seem to have worked there.

 

[Frankly]

Of course there is always the argument that if you outlaw abortion women will still do in the back alley, unsafely and even more cruelly.

Humans are animals and right now we're the deer on "no hunting" land without predators. We're not immune to nature, we will overpopulate and then die off worse than if we managed our population.

 

[Rthur]

Of course there is always the argument that if you outlaw abortion women will still do in the back alley, unsafely and even more cruelly.

Humans are animals and right now we're the deer on "no hunting" land without predators. We're not immune to nature, we will overpopulate and then die off worse than if we managed our population.

By your standard, if they are harmed/sterilized or die isn't that part of the goal?
Better see China and India or Africa if you want to have any control on world population.

R

 

[Maser]

 

[Frankly]

How many of you know the lineage of your dogs and horses? Does it make a difference?

If a foal was born with horrible defects would you raise it anyway or humanely put it down?

And when your trusted companion dog is on his last legs would you “put it to sleep” or keep it suffering in agony because you aren’t strong enough or too selfish?

All I’m saying is we should treat our own species as well as we treat our pets.

You certainly wouldn’t promote a breed that’s stupid and self destructively violent (ie urban thugs and white trash methheads). Nor would you breed millions of mutts hoping for that one in a billion genius dog to magically appear hahaha.

(BTW imagine how good the hunting would be with billions less people.)

 

[Broncovan]

Meh.... in today's society? If the rest of the country is going the way of New York and Kalifornia, then I believe that all abortions should be legal up to the age of 21.
I know a lot of people that should have been aborted that ended up squeezing through the crack.

 

[brianf]

as we can see from the posts this topic is even hard to agree on on a "common ground site"
ill go out on a limb and say most people on here are more Rep than Dem, and are more church goers than not.
percentages not being had but as a generic brush id say most fit into that mold on the hide:

with that abortion is like immigration. we consistently get caught in the wrong fight (until the last 3 months).
we keep worrying how to pay for them and what to do with anchor babies, but we will not "build a wall" or some other deterrent for initial trespassing.

From life experiences i do see both sides of the coin, maybe not equally but they both have their valid points.

From the US National Library:

"Abortion is a common medical procedure undergone by many U.S. women; in 2014 there were 926,000 terminations.1 Additionally, many women have more than one abortion over the course of their reproductive lives. In 2008, 50% of all abortion patients reported having one or more prior abortions,2 a proportion that has remained stable since 1993. "

basic statistics say that even if abortion is 100% legal....BUT we stopped the repeat offending/users we can cut the numbers in HALF tomorrow.

why is there not a law/bill that if you have a abortion you need a NORPLANT like device that stops you from becoming pregnant for "X" of years.

ill give you a mistake/rape/incest/in the womb testing for physical or mental issues for the first one, if it will stop the stupidity of what law just passed (in my shit state by the way).

once there is a process in place, there is room for process improvement.

Right now we get stuck fighting among ourselves, of which 30% of the population of the US has no issue with abortion if based on nothing but their religion.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

That picture just caused several different emotions to run through me at the same time........None of them are pleasant. It is a really powerful meme and it certainly fucked with my head just now.

Perhaps it is because we are normal human beings, that is why we feel revulsion and hatred towards such abominations and blasphemous acts, and the irresponsible /selfish people who cause these things to happen because they refuse to face the consequences of their choices.

 

[brianf]

there are no people to blame more often than not.

girlfriend and boyfriend get pregnant.

girl didnt want to get pregnant and always had protected sex, boyfriend want her to stay around (because hes infatuated) so he puts a hole in his condom and she is now preg.

you can only confirm its his by blood/dna but the person to prosecute...not sure if you can figure that one out.

its he said she said, both consent and both admit that there was protection used.

she says i dont want it because etc... and he says i used a condom it must be a sign we are meant to be together.

thats why i think we cut through all the he said she said and step in after a definitive line in the sand...first abortion.

its a slippery slope

 

[Yasherka]

The second someone comes along to say murder is bad because Christianity said so, but somehow self defense murder is good,

Murder is never OK. Self defense is not murder. You might want to look up some definitions

 

[Scarface26]

Murder is never OK. Self defense is not murder. You might want to look up some definitions

Right on,

After they get done looking up the definitions they might want to break out the Constitution. Maybe repeat the part of the pledge where we say liberty and justice for all.

WRT the poor, criminals, etc., that dog won't hunt. My Dad lived in the Alazan Apache courts in SA (public housing), TX for a few years in his early childhood. Went on to be the MVP on his basketball team in college and was a HS principal for over 20 years. Glad he didn't get aborted. My mother handed us kids four aces when she married our dad. Incidentally, my two uncles and all my aunts went to college on merit based scholarships. Finally, if my kid needed a brain surgery I'd sure want Ben Carson (illiterate mom and all) cutting on him and not little Jimmy Carter - who comes from money, "breeding," education, etc.

Abortion = government sanction for women to kill babies. We've created a privileged class, women, who get to kill those in their way, babies. The situation is identical to the Trail of Tears, Holocaust, etc., except the baby NEVER has a chance to fight back.

God bless America

 

[rockranger77]

It is quite amazing to me that we have a law on the books since 2004 that a pregnant woman who has been a victim of crime ( over 60 crimes on the list) the perpetrator can be charged with the death of the unborn child as well , but spread your legs Sally can kill as many babies as she sees fit just cause she does not want the child.

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act, passed in 2004, defines a fetus as a "child in uterus" and a person as being a legal crime victim "if a fetal injury or death occurs during the commission of a federal violent crime." In the U.S., 38 states have laws with more harsh penalties if the victim is murdered while pregnant.

DOUBLE STANDARD I WOULD SAY....

 

[Blutroop]

Getting away with abortion (especially late term) is the equivalent of getting away with murder on a airline because while it was above America it wasn’t on American “soil”

 

[Deleted member 113831]

Meh.... in today's society? If the rest of the country is going the way of New York and Kalifornia, then I believe that all abortions should be legal up to the age of 21.
I know a lot of people that should have been aborted that ended up squeezing through the crack.

A baby only knows what it is taught. Those that need culling in these cases, are the parents.

 

[Deleted member 113831]

The second someone comes along to say murder is bad because Christianity said so, but somehow self defense murder is good, has now violated ad absurdum that murder is bad. Its either bad 100% of the time or not. Pick one faggots. Time to get away from the argument that "murder is bad" if it only holds up 50% of the time IN REAL LIFE.

Self defense is not murder, and has never been murder, not for Christians, not in the Bible...never.

Conflating the two illustrates a complete lack of discernment.

 

[Rthur]

1. I think abortion is technically murder.

2. I also think murder is sometimes ok.

Refutes both sides.

What "could have been", same as "what ought have been" arguments are arguments of guesswork, aka faith aka moral ethics for the mere (and only mere) moral ethics. Guess work hypothetical make me feel good bullshit that is purely untested until it happens - when it seldom does. Ever met someone who did an abortion who also has a stellar record of producing presidents, CEOs? Didnt think so.

The second someone comes along to say murder is bad because Christianity said so, but somehow self defense murder is good, has now violated ad absurdum that murder is bad. Its either bad 100% of the time or not. Pick one faggots. Time to get away from the argument that "murder is bad" if it only holds up 50% of the time IN REAL LIFE.

Explain to me how "self defense" is premeditated?

R

 

[Maser]

I'll never get the reasoning behind pro-life people. They whine constantly over abortion, but love the death penalty. It doesn't matter whether it's murder, self-defense, or punishment. Taking a life is still taking a life. The death penalty is probably the only thing about my Libertarian party that I don't agree with. I for one support it, but my party tends not to. There is absolutely NO REASON why these life sentence cocksuckers should still be in prison living off our tax dollars. Take them out back and introduce the backs of their heads with a 230 grain form of justice care of Mr. Forty Five.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

I'll never get the reasoning behind pro-life people. They whine constantly over abortion, but love the death penalty. It doesn't matter whether it's murder, self-defense, or punishment. Taking a life is still taking a life. The death penalty is probably the only thing about my Libertarian party that I don't agree with. I for one support it, but my party tends not to. There is absolutely NO REASON why these life sentence cocksuckers should still be in prison living off our tax dollars. Take them out back and introduce the backs of their heads with a 230 grain form of justice care of Mr. Forty Five.

Maybe because babies are innocent and people receiving the death penalty are guilty of violent crimes. Not really the same. So maser when is it ok to kill a innocent baby?

 

[Rthur]

Maybe because babies are innocent and people receiving the death penalty are guilty of violent crimes. Not really the same. So maser when is it ok to kill a innocent baby?

This would be the place I'd usually post a gif that describes the challenge you face trying to educate Maser.
This quote will do: "Nail jello to a tree".

R

 

[Deleted member 113831]

I'll never get the reasoning behind pro-life people. They whine constantly over abortion, but love the death penalty. It doesn't matter whether it's murder, self-defense, or punishment. Taking a life is still taking a life. The death penalty is probably the only thing about my Libertarian party that I don't agree with. I for one support it, but my party tends not to. There is absolutely NO REASON why these life sentence cocksuckers should still be in prison living off our tax dollars. Take them out back and introduce the backs of their heads with a 230 grain form of justice care of Mr. Forty Five.

The ending of an innocent defenseless life that literally has not even taken a breath of air yet, juxtaposed with a fully grown violent felon that is in need of a just punishment. Those are the same to you?

Pro-lifers aren't the ones that are confused. Without justice, life is devalued. We should take the life of a murderer because it is the only punishment that is equal to the crime. Anything less, and you are valuing the life of the murderer more than the life of the victim.

 

[Maser]

As usual, you pro-life lemmings are missing the point I was making. Taking a life is still taking a life regardless if it's just or not.

 

[Rthur]

As usual, you pro-life lemmings are missing the point I was making. Taking a life is still taking a life regardless if it's just or not.

R

 

[Deleted member 113831]

As usual, you pro-life lemmings are missing the point I was making. Taking a life is still taking a life regardless if it's just or not.

You wanna flesh out that thought process for us a bit?

 

[Maser]

You wanna flesh out that thought process for us a bit?

What aren't you able to understand? A person ending another person's life. Are you that autistic and can't understand or are you just trolling me? Please say the latter.

 

[Frankly]

Probably that the Biblical absolutions about not taking a life would apply to abortions AND the death penalty.

And like Maser, I agree, take their lives.

I think we ought to dispense with principals here and do what is good and expedient for our people. We should kill off as many dirtbags and idiots as possible as quickly as possible to ensure the survival of the best and the brightest. Otherwise the population will only grow weaker, dumber, and slower (while the Chinese breed super heroes but I digress).

I get the Libertarian argument against, that "who" decides which lives are worthy and which are disposable. It's a clear danger. But you can also argue that not killing off your sadistic criminals and retarded future felons is at least a serious danger that is more immediately present because that sadist might get you next and you're paying welfare and gibs to the un-aborted crackhead baby.

I just figure that with 333 million Americans and 7.4 billion humans, half of which are below average, that they need some form of governance less things get even worse.

 

[Rthur]

What aren't you able to understand? A person ending another person's life. Are you that autistic and can't understand or are you just trolling me? Please say the latter.

You are conflating to different arguments.
I'll let you guess who started this tactic.
Here is the 2+2=4 version:
Being prolife on abortion hasn't anything to do with with death penalty on violent convicted felons.
As is required for this severe of a sentence they have deprived another of life or several others.
So infact if the death penalty is really their choice by action.
The authorities are just carrying out the letter of the law.

Abortion is just another version of dodging responsibility for an undesired outcome.
They had sex, an adult activity, and when the consequences were faced they chose to be a kid again.
The person most effected by this hasn't a vote.
They have a clean slate and haven't transgressed any law.
The my body my choice is a slight of hand line of bs.
For proof, many years ago test tube babies were born.
Hence all they require is a support system just like ones that have already been born.

R

 

[Frankly]

He's right in the regard that the death penalty criminal broke laws whereas the unborn baby did not.

The Roe vs Wade case that "made abortion legal" nationally was a convoluted crazy-ass Supreme Court decision citing privacy concerns out of thin air. Certainly the Constitution never specifically discussed abortion.

Idealistically, in utopia, we wouldn't have abortions.

But still I think the laws be damned since the courts don't uphold them anyway ~ we should do what is best for America. Kill the criminals and abort the future felons.

 

[Rthur]

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[powdahound76]

Well. I dont support the death penalty. A govt who kills it own citizens.......

I do support drastic changes to our penal system.
Make it suck. Not the way it does with gang violence, gang rapes, and all kinds of crap allowed to go down.
Worse food, bad sleep schedules, hard labor, no TV, no weight lifting, no hoops, no AC, heat enough but not lounge around comfy like I do in my house.

Screw private prisons systems.

 

[Deleted member 113831]

Probably that the Biblical absolutions about not taking a life would apply to abortions AND the death penalty.

And like Maser, I agree, take their lives.

First point. I will re-iterate. There is NO prohibition in Christian scripture against either defending oneself, or the death penalty imposed by the recognized legal authorities. Quite the opposite in fact.

Second point. The murderers life is not "taken" when he is executed. The authorities do not "take" his life. To take something is to possess something that does not belong to you. The murderer "took" the victims life. When the murderer did that, his own life became forfeit. At that point, the ownership of his life fell to the hands of justice, and it was placed there by his own doing.

These are not complicated concepts, they form the foundation of not just our society, but all society in all the world . Most of us had these explained to us a small children. If a person can't understand something as simple and fundamental as this, then they will remain confused until they do.

 

[Bama Fan]

My Father was a practicing OB/GYN for 52 years. In his practice, he delivered 5,000 plus babies. Never once did he have to or any of his three partners or any of the six other OBs working at the two hospitals in town have to terminate a late term pregnancy to save the life of the Mother. The protocol was always to deliver the child alive and keep it alive while at the same time saving the life of the Mother. The changes that the Democrats are pushing is murder no matter what they want to call it.

 

[SmileMaker]

I know opinions are like assholes...…and this argument is unwinnable (like most moral religious arguments) but here is mine.

Given the right set of circumstances (rape, incest, health of the mother, severe birth defects, etc.) people will seek to terminate
a pregnancy prematurely. If you believe outlawing abortion will stop this practice think again. Research any Readers Digest (now I am dating
myself ) prior to Roe V Wade and read the accounts of women, friends and families who went through and many who died from
"backroom" abortions. Just about every medium size city had one or more or the number of questionable D&C procedures performed.

It is my opinion that if a woman desires a first or second trimester abortion she should be able to have a medically safe procedure done. Late term abortions should be limited to health of the mother and severe birth defects circumstances. Morality issues are between the doctor, patient and
their maker. Personally, I am not an advocate of abortion as a means of birth control. Especially with all the means of unwanted pregnancy prevention
available today.

 

[SmileMaker]

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1 Samuel 15:2-3 English Standard Version (ESV)
2 Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction[a] all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

 

[Deleted member 113831]

1 Samuel 15:2-3 English Standard Version (ESV)
2 Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction[a] all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

Another who doesn't understand the scriptures. The verse quoted by @Rthur is in the context of God's people in relationship with one another. The passage you quoted is in the context of God using Armies to judge an entire civilization for it's wickedness.

God raised up the Babylonians and the Romans to judge Israel in the same manner. Not contextually comparable at all.

Also, if a baby is created as a result of a rape, why does the baby get the death penalty?

 

[Frankly]

So it's like the Supreme Court? There is a commandment that thou shall not kill but if you go digging around there's some clauses and past cases that could bolster the opposite side of the argument?

Kind of like those wars where God was on both sides?

As for an authoritarian government taking your life, haven't you considered any history? Our own government has been taking its citizens lives wholesale since the get go, way before abortion ever became a popular issue.

 

[Deleted member 113831]

So it's like the Supreme Court? There is a commandment that thou shall not kill but if you go digging around there's some clauses and past cases that could bolster the opposite side of the argument?

Kind of like those wars where God was on both sides?

As for an authoritarian government taking your life, haven't you considered any history? Our own government has been taking its citizens lives wholesale since the get go, way before abortion ever became a popular issue.

The word in the Hebrew and the Greek is "murder" not "kill". It is literally the same concept that we call 1st degree murder.

As for the rest, I don't have time or the inclination to give you a lesson in hermeneutics or exigesis of the Holy Scriptures. You can work that out with God when you meet Him.

As far as the anti-govt shit, it is a red herring, and not what this conversation is about. You are deflecting.

 

[Yasherka]

Probably that the Biblical absolutions about not taking a life would apply to abortions AND the death penalty.

There is no Biblical proscription (not absolution) about 'not taking a human life'. There is one about murder though.

 

[Pappakap]

The one aspect of this whole topic I have the hardest time with is if a fetus/child is viable outside of the womb meaning they can put them in Neonatal care and it’s all good, at that point in development how do people say it’s still a blob of cells and justify 3rd Trimester abortion?

 

[Rthur]

The one aspect of this whole topic I have the hardest time with is if a fetus/child is viable outside of the womb meaning they can put them in Neonatal care and it’s all good, at that point in development how do people say it’s still a blob of cells and justify 3rd Trimester abortion?

They use mental/vocabulary gymnastics to justify their actions.
Baby = murder
Fetus= inconvenient growth

R

 

[VJJPunisher]

since the thread is "all things abortion", I feel this is the elephant in the room

 

[Rthur]

since the thread is "all things abortion", I feel this is the elephant in the room

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MK design perhaps.

btw haven't seen that handle/name on the hide in a while.

R

 

[Blutroop]

since the thread is "all things abortion", I feel this is the elephant in the room

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that is such a beautiful child. Don’t abort it. I’ll adapt it ASAP