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    Go get’em!!

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    AMP Press

    FREE Shipping anywhere in the US via FedExIncludes: AMP PressSimulation DieUSB CableUser ManualTwo adjustable ramsUSB Drive with Software, license key and instructional video *Does not include Seating die or computerNOTE: The software has changed since the initial version and this is bei...
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    That is more than I was expecting it to cost.

    I have no room to talk about expensive reloading equipment.

    Report back and let us know the cool shit it does
     
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    Jrb572 said:
    That is more than I was expecting it to cost.

    I have no room to talk about expensive reloading equipment.

    Report back and let us know the cool shit it does
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    Yea, I think $995 would have been much easier for more people. At shot show they were targeting $500 which seemed pie in the sky. And then changed to $995 and eventually $1395.

    But, the press looks nothing like it started and I like they kept going until they felt like they had a solid product.

    And for anyone just stopping by to troll, don’t. Keep it to yourself. World records were set with slower cars and now people drive better and faster. Things evolve.
     
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    Dthomas3523 said:
    Yea, I think $995 would have been much easier for more people. At shot show they were targeting $500 which seemed pie in the sky. And then changed to $995 and eventually $1395.

    But, the press looks nothing like it started and I like they kept going until they felt like they had a solid product.

    And for anyone just stopping by to troll, don’t. Keep it to yourself. World records were set with slower cars and now people drive better and faster. Things evolve.
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    I’m not trolling Sir. I am actually interested in how it works.

    I own a Promethius so I have no room to talk about spending money on reloading stuff
     
    #12
    @Dthomas3523, I was initially going to ask what this press offered over the Area 419 press, since I saw you saying you had one, but we’re awaiting the AMP press. Then I actually read the article and specs and realize how this completes the high end loading bench by providing not only a seating press that measures the force required to seat the bullets but collects that data and allows you to record that data properly and use it for data driven improvements.

    So, it is going to find a willing market for those who already have all the other toys.

    Unfortunately I am not among those in that market, but that’s my issue, not yours.
     
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    lash said:
    @Dthomas3523, I was initially going to ask what this press offered over the Area 419 press, since I saw you saying you had one, but we’re awaiting the AMP press. Then I actually read the article and specs and realize how this completes the high end loading bench by providing not only a seating press that measures the force required to seat the bullets but collects that data and allows you to record that data properly and use it for data driven improvements.

    So, it is going to find a willing market for those who already have all the other toys.

    Unfortunately I am not among those in that market, but that’s my issue, not yours.
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    To be perfectly honest, I’m not sure if it will make anything “better.”

    But I’m very interested in seeing if the data it provides can either help produce better ammo or at least give us a better understanding of what different things do. For example, we may be able to differentiate if high seating pressure is from the neck diameter or friction, or some other thing.

    And this is also a second hobby for me and I enjoy messing with newer high end stuff. I was skeptical about the market for zero press and thought I’d have buyer’s remorse. But I love mine and they seem to be flying off the shelf.
     
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    Dthomas3523 said:
    To be perfectly honest, I’m not sure if it will make anything “better.”
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    I agree and I don’t expect it to seat a bullet better than my basic arbor press. I was going to buy the Hydro Seater for $450 but when I saw this get announced I waited because with that I’ll see the gauge but won’t have it recorded (and I’m getting tired of filling up notebook pages) and wouldn’t have a way to see the total work done either.

    I am a data junkie and I’m with @Dthomas3523 that with the right testing this press will provide the data for both tension and friction to be able to see what steps in my process make a difference - or not. And yes, rounds down range are the ultimate judge but if I know my hand loads are the best they can be when I miss that shot I have no one to blame but me.

    I’m not trying to push this on anyone, I haven’t even played with it, but I do think these guys put a ton of development into this and always give credit when due for the engineering and ingenuity alone.
     
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    Graye2 said:
    I agree and I don’t expect it to seat a bullet better than my basic arbor press. I was going to buy the Hydro Seater for $450 but when I saw this get announced I waited because with that I’ll see the gauge but won’t have it recorded (and I’m getting tired of filling up notebook pages) and wouldn’t have a way to see the total work done either.

    I am a data junkie and I’m with @Dthomas3523 that with the right testing this press will provide the data for both tension and friction to be able to see what steps in my process make a difference - or not. And yes, rounds down range are the ultimate judge but if I know my hand loads are the best they can be when I miss that shot I have no one to blame but me.

    I’m not trying to push this on anyone, I haven’t even played with it, but I do think these guys put a ton of development into this and always give credit when due for the engineering and ingenuity alone.
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    You need to laser engrave a box of new brass with numbers 1-100 so you can Keep track of the odd ball brass. An have a perfect set of brass
     
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    culater said:
    You need to laser engrave a box of new brass so you can Keep track of the odd ball brass. An have a perfect set of brass
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    I think I’m going to get 50pcs engraved. Load them in that order every time on the press.

    Then look for any patterns that show up on paper and/or chrono.
     
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    Curious to see how this works out for everyone.

    Will likely end up getting one when a Canadian dealer has them in stock.

    I certainly don't need it, but I do like high end equipment to play around with.
     
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    Dthomas3523 said:
    To be perfectly honest, I’m not sure if it will make anything “better.”

    But I’m very interested in seeing if the data it provides can either help produce better ammo or at least give us a better understanding of what different things do. For example, we may be able to differentiate if high seating pressure is from the neck diameter or friction, or some other thing.

    And this is also a second hobby for me and I enjoy messing with newer high end stuff. I was skeptical about the market for zero press and thought I’d have buyer’s remorse. But I love mine and they seem to be flying off the shelf.
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    Second hobby? What is your first? Car racing?
     
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    Second hobby, sailing. Like firearms, a well cared for sailing craft can last for decades.

    However, I race bicycles more as an avocation than a hobby, racing gives me a reason for riding and exercising to stay in shape. (Hard to do in these days of the china flu the fear of which keeps causing promoters to cancel races after spending months preparing.)

    Anyway, the replacement cost of the rear wheel on my TT bike, not the wheel and tire, jsut the wheel, is above the price limit for a rifle in PRS Production. (If you are interested, the tires on this bike are more expensive than the tires on our new GMC Sierra.).

    All that said, the price of a press that seats bullets would seem difficult to accept, but when I spend more for jsut one wheel, it does all come into perspective.

    Its what important to the fellow or lady who is spending the bucks.
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    Wiillk said:
    Second hobby, sailing. Like firearms, a well cared for sailing craft can last for decades.

    However, I race bicycles more as an avocation than a hobby, racing gives me a reason for riding and exercising to stay in shape. (Hard to do in these days of the china flu the fear of which keeps causing promoters to cancel races after spending months preparing.)

    Anyway, the replacement cost of the rear wheel on my TT bike, not the wheel and tire, jsut the wheel, is above the price limit for a rifle in PRS Production. (If you are interested, the tires on this bike are more expensive than the tires on our new GMC Sierra.).

    All that said, the price of a press that seats bullets would seem difficult to accept, but when I spend more for jsut one wheel, it does all come into perspective.

    Its what important to the fellow or lady who is spending the bucks.
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    I had a LOOK carbon 9 then they came out in the mid '80's. Back then a solid carbon honeycomb rear wheel cost around $3500, they have quadrupled in price? And a good tire was only $250 or so.
     
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    Wiillk said:
    Second hobby, sailing. Like firearms, a well cared for sailing craft can last for decades.

    However, I race bicycles more as an avocation than a hobby, racing gives me a reason for riding and exercising to stay in shape. (Hard to do in these days of the china flu the fear of which keeps causing promoters to cancel races after spending months preparing.)

    Anyway, the replacement cost of the rear wheel on my TT bike, not the wheel and tire, jsut the wheel, is above the price limit for a rifle in PRS Production. (If you are interested, the tires on this bike are more expensive than the tires on our new GMC Sierra.).

    All that said, the price of a press that seats bullets would seem difficult to accept, but when I spend more for jsut one wheel, it does all come into perspective.

    Its what important to the fellow or lady who is spending the bucks.
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    We are a funny community. We’ll put a spuhr mount on an optic and then talk about overkill at the loading bench 😎
     
    #33
    I think the AMP press is cool for guys like @Dthomas3523 with the time, effort and willingness to test different variables. I also think the benefit (like many of the nuanced improvements in reloading) won't necessarily show up on 1-2moa steel targets at a PRS match, and might be more suited to BR or F-Class where the equipment and expectation is to be in the 0 to 0.25 moa region to win.

    I could see interesting tests on:
    - Dry tumble vs SS clean
    - Squeaky clean necks vs remnant carbon vs graphite powder vs dry tumble w/case polish
    - Neck tension
    - Annealing
    - ID neck chamfer
    - Different lots of brass from the same manufacturer
    - Same cartridge but different brass manufacturers

    I will be happy to read the results from all the testers willing to do it, I'm just not in a place to have the time or desire to do it myself lol
     
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    Wiillk said:
    Second hobby, sailing. Like firearms, a well cared for sailing craft can last for decades.

    However, I race bicycles more as an avocation than a hobby, racing gives me a reason for riding and exercising to stay in shape. (Hard to do in these days of the china flu the fear of which keeps causing promoters to cancel races after spending months preparing.)

    Anyway, the replacement cost of the rear wheel on my TT bike, not the wheel and tire, jsut the wheel, is above the price limit for a rifle in PRS Production. (If you are interested, the tires on this bike are more expensive than the tires on our new GMC Sierra.).

    All that said, the price of a press that seats bullets would seem difficult to accept, but when I spend more for jsut one wheel, it does all come into perspective.

    Its what important to the fellow or lady who is spending the bucks.
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    Cycling, like shooting, is sort of chump change. While the raw cost of a wheel may seam expensive, the real cost is running the race team for the season. And if you think a season of racing bicycles around the US is expensive, try running a motorcycle or auto team. Weather it is desert endurance or Super Sport street bikes, shooting and cycling is a downright cheap affair. Hell, the press this thread is about is cheaper than many tools necessary to build an engine or even a set of tires (just on actually).
     
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    samb300 said:
    I think the AMP press is cool for guys like @Dthomas3523 with the time, effort and willingness to test different variables. I also think the benefit (like many of the nuanced improvements in reloading) won't necessarily show up on 1-2moa steel targets at a PRS match, and might be more suited to BR or F-Class where the equipment and expectation is to be in the 0 to 0.25 moa region to win.

    I could see interesting tests on:
    - Dry tumble vs SS clean
    - Squeaky clean necks vs remnant carbon vs graphite powder vs dry tumble w/case polish
    - Neck tension
    - Annealing
    - ID neck chamfer
    - Different lots of brass from the same manufacturer
    - Same cartridge but different brass manufacturers

    I will be happy to read the results from all the testers willing to do it, I'm just not in a place to have the time or desire to do it myself lol
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    im not too greedy but if i spend all that time and money researching...no one is getting it for free
     
    #41
    I wonder.. would this bullet press be for data purposes only? Then continue with the manual arbor press once you have consistent data? Or would this be able handle pressing all the bullets. Just thinking of the longevity of this press. Aw shit, I like new toys. Still waiting on my turn on the list for a co-ax too..
     
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    Rhed said:
    I wonder.. would this bullet press be for data purposes only? Then continue with the manual arbor press once you have consistent data? Or would this be able handle pressing all the bullets. Just thinking of the longevity of this press. Aw shit, I like new toys. Still waiting on my turn on the list for a co-ax too..
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    I’m sure they designed it for long term use.

    I’ll be using mine for several hundred rounds a week on average. It has an auto mode. So you just slide the die in, the load cell senses it, then auto seats and makes a trace.

    Once I decide how I’ll be batching ammo (based on testing) my process will be:

    Auto mode. And each round is put in a loading tray in a certain order (top to bottom, left to right). And just seat all 200 or however many.

    Then have the software show the outliers. Say numbers 20, 46, and 80 are outliers. I go down my loading block, pull those rounds out and toss them in the practice pile or foulers.


    I’m having 50pcs of turned necks and 50pcs of non turned laser engraved 1-50 respectively. If testing shows a certain piece of brass is consistently “bad”, that goes in practice like.

    Then I’ll use the same methodology. Anytime I sort a round out, I’ll take an engraving tool and mark it. If it comes up a second time batched put, that piece of brass is now in practice pile.
     
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    Here’s interesting graph from ultimate reloader. Top 5 lines are virgin lapua 6.5 cm with expander ball run in them.
    Bottom 5 (stacked on each other) are same, but having been run through AMP annealer.

    Seems to *suggest* what lapua considers acceptable annealing isn’t as consistent as the AMP machine.

    May or may not show up on paper. But it’s interesting nonetheless

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    Regardless of what will show on paper, this is already an excellent example of how much more feedback this provides than say a hydro press.

    All 5 of the first rounds hade a very consistent Peak Force which is what most pay attention to. But as you can see, there was quite a bit of variation.
     
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    Would some type of primer force installation/measurement tool be next?
    What else, how far can this go?

    Please note, I am asking sincerely and with active interest in getting the annealer and the press tools.
     
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    Dthomas3523 said:
    I’m sure they designed it for long term use.

    I’ll be using mine for several hundred rounds a week on average. It has an auto mode. So you just slide the die in, the load cell senses it, then auto seats and makes a trace.

    Once I decide how I’ll be batching ammo (based on testing) my process will be:

    Auto mode. And each round is put in a loading tray in a certain order (top to bottom, left to right). And just seat all 200 or however many.

    Then have the software show the outliers. Say numbers 20, 46, and 80 are outliers. I go down my loading block, pull those rounds out and toss them in the practice pile or foulers.


    I’m having 50pcs of turned necks and 50pcs of non turned laser engraved 1-50 respectively. If testing shows a certain piece of brass is consistently “bad”, that goes in practice like.

    Then I’ll use the same methodology. Anytime I sort a round out, I’ll take an engraving tool and mark it. If it comes up a second time batched put, that piece of brass is now in practice pile.
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    You guys are going to force me to buy one.

    ok I need someone to blame it on besides myself
     
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