Possibly. Like most things…..some of it flies in the face or established “never do that.”
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Possibly. Like most things…..some of it flies in the face or established “never do that.”
Anyone with this press has any range repot? Thanks
So it’s an arbor press? Supposed to produce consistent results? How about consistency begins at the sizing station and that’s where the runout occurs? Fix it at sizing station and a lee seating die will give just as accurate as the “amp press” no?
So measuring Consistency is all it doesIf only runout actually mattered. Fortunately, it doesn’t.
And has nothing to do with this press either.
So measuring Consistency is all it does
You’re right. But they’ve been making consistent ammo for a long time before this came out.And before we get into the “I can do it already with xyz.”
No, you can’t accurately or consistently feel and/or record data every ~ .2mm, let alone quantify or use what you think you can feel.
You’re right. But they’ve been making consistent ammo for a long time before this came out.
Want consistency? Fully automate every operation. Then there’s no guess work. Machines do exact same thing fully repeatable.
if that were true every QC/QA person would not have a job.You’re right. But they’ve been making consistent ammo for a long time before this came out.
Want consistency? Fully automate every operation. Then there’s no guess work. Machines do exact same thing fully repeatable.
Here’s an example using the press to troubleshoot:
Interesting. How long did it take to figure ol that was the problem? And not consistently seating the base of the cartridge in a collet exactly the same way every way?
Interesting. How long did it take to figure ol that was the problem? And not consistently seating the base of the cartridge in a collet exactly the same way every way?
Exactly why I have a giraud.
That is unfortunate, being that you are in a rather small group that have mod rights to police and weed out those baseless claims and BS.I will likely refrain from posting a ton of data. As I’m tired of the push back from the “my equipment from 1995” can do that.
That is unfortunate, being that you are in a rather small group that have mod rights to police and weed out those baseless claims and BS.
If you get tired of it being in your position- just think how much other useful data is potentially held back from the site from typical users that don't want to 'contribute'.
...and you wonder why top BR, F-Class, Smiths, OEM mfgs dont post here much anymoreThat is unfortunate, being that you are in a rather small group that have mod rights to police and weed out those baseless claims and BS.
If you get tired of it being in your position- just think how much other useful data is potentially held back from the site from typical users that don't want to 'contribute'.
Please don’t be to discouraged.Oh, I know. Why do you think guys like Cortina, Litz, Bynum, Sisk, Wheeler etc etc don’t really post on any forums anymore? They were all very active on at least one forum in the community.
I’m def not trying to argue with anyone here about how great equipment is getting. It’s nice. Too damn expensive UNLESS you’re in long range competition. But like anything else? If you have to say you have the best of the best? That’s fine. I just find that some act superior to others because they own more expensive equipment.
the Amp. Press: all it is is an actuator plotting the pressure of the bullet seating from start to finish. Good info for those that want to know? It won’t be long, someone will ask, what’s the best seating to die to get? and you’ll have 50k ppl state Amp press. There’s nothing better and everything else is garbage. Lol
just like fluxeon vs amp: fluxeon doesn’t test the brass. But it’s not a pain to set it. It’s just a consistent as an amp for half the price. But all you’ll hear is why did you settle on that over the amp? I guess because I wasn’t born with a golden spoon up my ass to spend the extra $600 on one. I never heard someone buy a new sports car that cost em say $70k and someone say you should’ve gotten the one that cost $130k. Lol but many other products you’ll hear em say that….
someone going to the local 100yrd range spending $10k on reloading equipment can’t shoot any better than the guy who spent $1k on all Lee equipment if he never practiced further. Some of the new technology makes things very conveniently nice though.
I can’t give you better results than that. Fact is not EVERY reloader needs an amp press.Also, please let me know how we could already:
Keep track of the total work done during seating of every round. Find the SD of total work. Then cull out every round not within 1 unit of SD from the average work done.
This culls out 30% of your loaded ammo from a batch and keeps you inside a single SD measurement.
10:4Wizard, please do not derail this thread. What started out as good, factual, information is now being diluted with "this other stuff is just as good". Please stop and let the rest of us see what DThomas and Orkan have discovered. Start a separate thread discussing other tools that can do the same thing.
I had one and changed up to this. I’ll be switching back.
And also IDOD with cnc for trimming as well.
I honestly thought Wizard's post was a joke until it kept going. You definitely hit the nail on the head. Please keep posting your thoughts. I haven't been able to get an AMP Press yet but will be when I can. I'm very curious to see reports on neck turning. I've been thinking about moving my 21st century and simplifying. I'm also curious on effects of different tumbling media. I've been intrigued by @orkan 's rice vs wet stainless chips or dry walnut. Been following your youtube videos and f-class john who's currently looking at differences in chamfering. Looking forward to Cortina's videos as well.I will likely refrain from posting a ton of data. As I’m tired of the push back from the “my equipment from 1995” can do that.
Make your own thread and discuss it.
Don’t bring it to threads that are highlighting when a company develops something new.
Let’s say it turns out to be a flop (it won’t be), but it funds AMP to making something that is revolutionary…..that’s still a win for the community.
And actually yea…..dudes driving a Lamborghini would always tell the guy driving the Corvette “if you can afford it, get the Lamborghini.”
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LOL!I’m def not trying to argue with anyone here about how great equipment is getting. It’s nice. Too damn expensive UNLESS you’re in long range competition. But like anything else? If you have to say you have the best of the best? That’s fine. I just find that some act superior to others because they own more expensive equipment.
the Amp. Press: all it is is an actuator plotting the pressure of the bullet seating from start to finish. Good info for those that want to know? It won’t be long, someone will ask, what’s the best seating to die to get? and you’ll have 50k ppl state Amp press. There’s nothing better and everything else is garbage. Lol
just like fluxeon vs amp: fluxeon doesn’t test the brass. But it’s not a pain to set it. It’s just a consistent as an amp for half the price. But all you’ll hear is why did you settle on that over the amp? I guess because I wasn’t born with a golden spoon up my ass to spend the extra $600 on one. I never heard someone buy a new sports car that cost em say $70k and someone say you should’ve gotten the one that cost $130k. Lol but many other products you’ll hear em say that….
someone going to the local 100yrd range spending $10k on reloading equipment can’t shoot any better than the guy who spent $1k on all Lee equipment if he never practiced further. Some of the new technology makes things very conveniently nice though.
So... let me respond in a manner befitting the level of help I think you'd accept:
Great post! You're a genius! Good job!
I’m sorry. You failed to interpret my point. So basically what YOU stated was the fact you CANT produce accurate ammo without top of the line. However! Ppl have been doing it for years. Is it the most accurate they could produce? No. Had they had this in 95 as you say? They might be able to squeeze out a bit more. I’m saying not everyone who’s into reloading needs it to produce accurate ammo. Guys have been shooting 1000yrd matches open sight for awhile. Long before these inventions took place. Did they travel into the future to produce that kind of accurate ammo? Or did they spend more hours at the range learning how to read the environment? Accuracy is only as good as the one behind it right? You can have one person use top of the line equipment and can’t hit the broadside of a barn….LOL!
You're good. You're really good. You almost had me. I had a big ol' post typed up talking about personal responsibility and proper mindset before I remembered that no one can be told a single thing on these forums. People won't let others help them here.
So... let me respond in a manner befitting the level of help I think you'd accept:
Great post! You're a genius! Good job!
P.S. - I don't compete... I just like having my bullets actually go where I want them to. Weird right? Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go find something I can't afford and claim that my cheap thing is just as good as their expensive thing and talk nasty about it and the people who buy it instead of just going and making the money I need for the thing I want.
P.S.S - Just kidding, I'm not doing that.
P.S.S.S - No one has anything when they are born. Just because your parents were poors doesn't mean you need to be.
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Between my Prometheus, AutoDOD, CPS, AMP press & laptop, Annealer, giraud alone... I have over $17k spent. In totality for all my reloading gear, who even knows. Yet I don't regret any of the stuff I currently use. I have boxes full of cheap garbage tools that don't get used... if I could have avoided purchasing that trash, I'd be money ahead. If you honestly think that your cheap stuff can make as good of ammo as all my expensive stuff... we don't have anything to discuss, because you are operating on some alternate reality that is void of logic.
Thank you for yet another post, that demonstrates exactly why I only begrudgingly and often refuse to participate.
Jesus dude, shut the fuck upI’m sorry. You failed to interpret my point. So basically what YOU stated was the fact you CANT produce accurate ammo without top of the line. However! Ppl have been doing it for years. Is it the most accurate they could produce? No. Had they had this in 95 as you say? They might be able to squeeze out a bit more. I’m saying not everyone who’s into reloading needs it to produce accurate ammo. Guys have been shooting 1000yrd matches open sight for awhile. Long before these inventions took place. Did they travel into the future to produce that kind of accurate ammo? Or did they spend more hours at the range learning how to read the environment? Accuracy is only as good as the one behind it right? You can have one person use top of the line equipment and can’t hit the broadside of a barn….
Dude, stop! Seriously!I’m sorry. You failed to interpret my point. So basically what YOU stated was the fact you CANT produce accurate ammo without top of the line. However! Ppl have been doing it for years. Is it the most accurate they could produce? No. Had they had this in 95 as you say? They might be able to squeeze out a bit more. I’m saying not everyone who’s into reloading needs it to produce accurate ammo. Guys have been shooting 1000yrd matches open sight for awhile. Long before these inventions took place. Did they travel into the future to produce that kind of accurate ammo? Or did they spend more hours at the range learning how to read the environment? Accuracy is only as good as the one behind it right? You can have one person use top of the line equipment and can’t hit the broadside of a barn….
How many records are still standing from 20-30 years ago…I’m sorry. You failed to interpret my point. So basically what YOU stated was the fact you CANT produce accurate ammo without top of the line. However! Ppl have been doing it for years. Is it the most accurate they could produce? No. Had they had this in 95 as you say? They might be able to squeeze out a bit more. I’m saying not everyone who’s into reloading needs it to produce accurate ammo. Guys have been shooting 1000yrd matches open sight for awhile. Long before these inventions took place. Did they travel into the future to produce that kind of accurate ammo? Or did they spend more hours at the range learning how to read the environment? Accuracy is only as good as the one behind it right? You can have one person use top of the line equipment and can’t hit the broadside of a barn….