An 8 year old Florida boy was drug off his bike and killed by two dogs.
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Thats right folks for the price of one 124gr +p federal hst you can save a child's life. Shoot a pit bull today!
The dogs need stoned, the owner is not held liable.
If the dog was known to bite or attack people, then the dogs AND the owner need stoned.
If the dog was known to bite or attack people, then the dogs AND the owner need stoned.
One note about shooting dogs. Prepare yourself for an unreasonable perhaps armed owner. My mindset would be, “you’re next if you try anything”.
Nothing much good comes from shooting someone’s pet, but if it has to be done, just make sure you win the aftermath.
Nothing much good comes from shooting someone’s pet, but if it has to be done, just make sure you win the aftermath.
Correct. Florida law treats pets as "property" and, therefore, SD protections, that would apply to humans, do not apply to them. However, what one can do is stand between your pet and the BG. Then it *does* become a "person against person" SD scenario. Of course, all other std SD rules apply!
I don't actually advocate for shooting dogs unless it was important. I really hate paper work, being beaten or killed, or taking innocent life.
Whats bad is, before bulldogs were crossed with terriers to make fighting or "sporting dogs" as they were called by the Victorion sporting gentry, they were used to catch and hold cattle in pens for slaughter. Bulldogs were also called "butcher's dogs" for that roll they played.
So chasing a farm animal around a pen would come naturally for a pit. Having said that, I'd still shoot the fuck out them.
We have a miniture donkey breeder next door and there have been reports in the past of dogs attacking and killing one of those little guys. With all the methbillies in the general area, I know what breed of dogs I'd place my money on.
May not be THE BREED , as Pit Bull owners like to say …but I beg to differ. Knew a dude that fought His Pits , had about 5-6 of them. I could walk by the fence and it would attack a bag swing hanging from a tree. He’d latch on , start spinning in circles.
I could go back by a few hours later …..still was swinging
Granted , he want’ed his Pit Bulls to be aggressive ….but his were crazy …period.
I wonder if they could put a big donkey in there with the others. They kill coyotes, so I'm sure they would kill dogs, too.
I'm going to completely disagree with you and say you don't really have a clue.
I'm not leaving my dogs locked up in the house all day, sorry unless you'd like to be locked up in cage all day don't try to push for it.
My yard is plenty big enough for my dogs to be comfortable in and they WILL be allowed to go in and out of the house to the yard as they wished.
My yard is well fenced with very high fences.
Anyone coming in my back yard is clearly trespassing and deserves whatever they get.
If the Uniform Hangers want to trespass and invade my back yard, well they are going to do whatever they are going to do.
That's on them and I have not control over it, but I'm not going to live my life in fear of those who are supposed to have been "working for us".
If they get injured by my dogs, well that's totally on them and they deserve it for their actions of trespassing.
If they kill or injure my dogs, well dogs are property (regardless of what the Uniform Hangers and Boot Lickers try to claim about "the King's Dogs")
Either they pay up, promptly and in full for their actions, or I'll be forced to do what must be done to hold them accountable in one venue or another.
When I was a kid Pitbulls were kind of a rarity, and Doberman Pinschers were the dogs that typically went berserk and killed their owners and bystanders.
The Doberman Club of America decided that they were only going to breed more docile dogs...and they did. In fact, their breeding program worked so will that their popularity dropped. People seek out viscous and unpredictable dogs, and there's just no question what breed that is today. If you are a denier all you have to do is look at how the Doberman was bred from a nasty cuss into a family dog. Too many people are breeding Pitbull's to be attack dogs.
The Doberman Club of America decided that they were only going to breed more docile dogs...and they did. In fact, their breeding program worked so will that their popularity dropped. People seek out viscous and unpredictable dogs, and there's just no question what breed that is today. If you are a denier all you have to do is look at how the Doberman was bred from a nasty cuss into a family dog. Too many people are breeding Pitbull's to be attack dogs.
Well pitbulls aren't a breed so...May not be THE BREED , as Pit Bull owners like to say …but I beg to differ. Knew a dude that fought His Pits , had about 5-6 of them. I could walk by the fence and it would attack a bag swing hanging from a tree. He’d latch on , start spinning in circles.
I could go back by a few hours later …..still was swinging
Don't forget the Chow. It was the boogie man too for while. My aunt had one that latched onto her. Not super supriseing considering she is crazy. But unlike chows Rottweilers German Shepards doberman pinchers and all the other that have been the boogeyman breed. Pitbull is not a breed.
Talk about "not having a clue...."
If you really want to take that position and allow your dogs to be at risk from anyone ("Uniform hanger" or otherwise) who would murder them only because they decided to trespass on your property and got confronted by your dogs, then that's on you. I would prefer my dogs stay alive. And I'll do what's needed to keep them alive. If that means keeping them inside (not necessary "crated") but inside while I'm away for the short bit of time I need to be away (usually no more than 2 hours... I work from home) then that's what that means. I'm not going to take the risk of having my dogs shot/murdered by a trespasser, LE or otherwise. It's like what one learns about DGUs and "Stand your Ground." "Just because you can.... doesn't mean you should." Just because your dogs have the right to be out in your back yard, doesn't mean it's always the best policy when they are unsupervised.
Every person I've known that owns a pit is the exact type of person that would own a pit. It's like the pit and certain character traits in humans just fit.
I don't really know anyone with a nice home, good job, and good kids that also own a pit. I've also noticed that I don't really have any friends with pits, weird how that works!
I don't really know anyone with a nice home, good job, and good kids that also own a pit. I've also noticed that I don't really have any friends with pits, weird how that works!
Have a friend that owns Rottweilers , I call his male “a devils dog”. Weighs
125 lbs , total muscle. The only people that can safely be around him , is him and his Mom ….period. When anyone goes to his house he has to pen him up in a garage.
My friend owns a Toyota Chinook camper…when it’s locked up in it , you’d think the truck was having its own earthquake.
I won’t get near him , always have .45 acp protection at hand just in case Buddy goes dinky dau even further.
I worked with a guy who had an Irish wolf hound for a kill dog for coyote hunting. Even he was real careful around that dog.Have a friend that owns Rottweilers , I call his male “a devils dog”. Weighs
125 lbs , total muscle. The only people that can safely be around him , is him and his Mom ….period. When anyone goes to his house he has to pen him up in a garage.
My friend owns a Toyota Chinook camper…when it’s locked up in it , you’d think the truck was having its own earthquake.
I won’t get near him , always have .45 acp protection at hand just in case Buddy goes dinky dau even further.
I had a friend who had a big pitbull like that. I was glad it got ran over before it killed someone. It was dangerous dog and they just let it out on their rural property. It attacked a cycliist on the highway they live on. So I mean, it wasn't all bad, but....
I had a big red lab that was turing into that kind of dog. He died of cancer right 3 years old rounding 100lbs before he started showing his sickness at about 2.5. He was the smartest dog I have ever owned by far. But he was big dominant intact male and was going to dangerous at least in some situations. He bit my sister on the chin trying to get the vet.
I suspect the vet did something to him when he was boarded there. He would go ape shit on that vet. When I switched vets he loved the other guy.
I will take responsibility for my dog if it gets out of the yard. But if you come into my yard uninvited, you take your chances.
My daughter and her hubs have a Giant Schnauzer / Mastiff mix that’s totally Chill and laid back around family and guests……BUT I wouldn’t want to cross him. Figure he’s 120 plus lbs. , really tall. Bark is super loud and gets your attention.
His BAD glitch , he Slings Spit everywhere….and lots of it.
His BAD glitch , he Slings Spit everywhere….and lots of it.
Lock her up for good and liquidate everything she has of value. If it were my kid...she'd be begging to be locked up for protection from the father.
Which LEOs do all the time. Do you think they're going to "take their chances?" Nope, they're going to blow that dog away! Or, worse, the intruder (LEO or otherwise) keeps the gate open upon entering and lets the dogs escape out of your yard.... where, indeed, you would be responsible!
Furthermore, it's not just LEOs but also HOA reps that can enter the outer curtilage of your property (inside the fencing) to inspect for violations, etc, Do you want to deal with a lawsuit by their families and/or the HOA itself if one of them gets mauled by your dogs?
Some of us refuse to live where those horrible things called HOAs have any power.
If someone cuts the locks off your gates and fences, well that's really on them for what happens next, especially if its one of the Uniform Hangers.
Uniform Hangers can peek over the fence, see there is nothing they should be doing around the back yard and move on.
How nice/lucky for you We are not so lucky in FL as most developed land (sub-divisions, etc. ) are "deed restricted" and have HOAs. The only places that do not have deed restrictions and HOAs are way out in the sticks where there are not as many services (shopping, hospitals, etc.). Trust me, I can't stand them either, and if given the proper opportunity, I'd get out. But, at the time I bought my house, it was all that was available in my price range.
We're not allowed to have locks on our gates for that very reason. We'd get notified by the HOA to remove them and if we don't, we can be fined, etc. I don't know of anyone in my neighborhood that keeps their fencing "locked." And the "Uniform Hangers" will always find a way to deflect blame back onto the homeowners.
But you know they won't! That's what Search & Seizure is all about. They know the rules about "plain view." And they will always want more of a "plain view."
have experienced 7 inappropriate attacks by dogs on me,companion or a dog i was walking and had under control: 1 pit,1 boxer,2 mutts,1 rott and 2 akitas. those were awhile before CCP here in FL. i would have shot 1 pit and 1 akita DRT had i been armed and been pretty sure no legal prob. might have had to shoot the pit owner too. i am always leary of pits and akitas and would never turn my back on either. "attack" bites,"defensive" bites all different things like attacks on a human or attacks on another dog are different. nature vs nurture same question as applied to humans.
i got no answers. i do hate the "ban a breed" idea. IMHO it is exactly the same thinking that the ban guns or "dangerous military guns" crowd pushes. BTW ban the guns was HGs,then AKs,now ARs,hunting aka "sniper" rifles will be next.
tragedies occur like this one. what to do? some punishment for owner,kill the dog-those are obvious. how to prevent them? needs Solomon's input,not mine. liberty often has a tragic price.
when i was a kid,GSDs were the "vicious" breed,then dobs,then rotts,pits always suspect. and each breed,at some time,had a "ban the breed" movement attached. can't imagine a 2A supporter buying that if thinking and not emoting was the response.
i got no answers. i do hate the "ban a breed" idea. IMHO it is exactly the same thinking that the ban guns or "dangerous military guns" crowd pushes. BTW ban the guns was HGs,then AKs,now ARs,hunting aka "sniper" rifles will be next.
tragedies occur like this one. what to do? some punishment for owner,kill the dog-those are obvious. how to prevent them? needs Solomon's input,not mine. liberty often has a tragic price.
when i was a kid,GSDs were the "vicious" breed,then dobs,then rotts,pits always suspect. and each breed,at some time,had a "ban the breed" movement attached. can't imagine a 2A supporter buying that if thinking and not emoting was the response.
Do not get me started on those freakin Chows. I lived with one once. Demented fucker. After that, I had no use for them.
Shortly thereafter, I had one charge after me while bicycling on a back road in Maine. No one around but me and a snarling Chow.
I hopped of my Cannondale, picked it up as a weapon and charged right back at it. Well it must have loved his owners, because he ran for home…….
I tried that with some kind of hound that charged me when I was walking last "pitbull." That son of bitch charged back. I stopped he stopped. I put my dog behind me becuase I didn't want him to get bitten. The dog barked and snarled. I got out pepper spray. Old as fuck aimed at his face and it didn't spray. It just dribbled down my hand. So I figured is he grabbed me I woukd rub the spray in his eyes. He was determined. I bet he stood us off and barked at us for at least tow minutes which felt like a lifetime, but I didn't move. I just looked over like he wasn't shit and stayed calm. Finally a car came and started pushing the hound with their bumper. Then he moved around the car and we started to walk away and he left us alone.
The only reason I started carrying pepper spray was becuase of other people loose dogs coming after me and my dog. Most people dogs are cool though. Just a few bad apples. Some people teach their dogs to be that way on purpose.
I bought some OC this year for the liberal green haired witch-bitch…..
Could be true. CDC data says 20-30 people in the US get killed by dogs per year data starting in 2012.
Sure doesn't seem like a hellhound waiting around every corner though.
My dad hit one with pepper spray off his bicycle. He said it works good. Yip yip yip yip spray Yipe yipe yipe yipe..
As far as pepper spray goes ….it works on some dogs , doesn’t faze others
Doesn’t work in rain storms , or winds ricocheting it back in your eyes.
HALT ll is gov-ish in the USPS. Works o.k.
Can be bought in semi bulk through Grainger and other outlets.
Shake it when you depart , make sure it still sprays. After using it , rinse off spray nozzle .
I also take a S&W Airlite .22 pistol with a bobbed hammer on walks…runs..bike …Works better than Spray 
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I hitchhiked a lot in my youth. Many a dog challenged me crossing by their territory on foot. A few, I went foot-to-cuffs with but no pits. Thank god.
The scariest time was walking by a house and a huge aggressive St. Bernard came out. It was pitch dark around midnight and that thing was not happy.
A thunderstorm was brewing, but it hadn’t started raining yet. Mustering up my courage to stand fast and try to intimidate that beast, I let out my first growl and snapped both hands high in the air. Right at that exact moment a very close lightning strike hit, FLASH! with a HUGE clap of thunder. The rain came like a monsoon.
That beast withered and took off from home full speed.
I said my prayers at night. The big man upstairs was looking after me.
Fortunately for us here in Idaho it’s legal to shoot dogs that aren’t contained. There is no stipulations on it other than they are either not in a fenced enclosure or on a leash. Precedent stands for that as well. I do agree with you that people can get real sketchy if you kill their precious little killer.
We were building an addition for some people and they had a guard dog that was part pit. That psycho dog was hard to get past if they forgot to lock her up before we got there. Finally my brother got sick of it and tried getting out of his truck one morning and she went berserk trying to rip his leg off. So he waited for her to charge in again and he sprayed her right in the face with a huge blast of OC spray. She wasn’t as dumb as I thought cause she never came close to any of us again. She would bark and snarl, but always from a good distance.My dad hit one with pepper spray off his bicycle. He said it works good. Yip yip yip yip spray Yipe yipe yipe yipe..
Little yappers the size of a football that make you want to punt their asses after 30 seconds.
They do have one big long eared donkey with them. Not sure if he's a guard donkey. They need a couple three Kangals with spike collars too.
My wife works in the vet field and all of her dog bites have been from German shepherds. They turn away overly aggressive dogs so they don’t have too many issues but one latched onto her arm while she was pushing the new girl out of the way so that she didn’t get bit. The other was a small cut on her cheek and nose, with that one if she hadn’t seen the signs and been been pulling her head back it would have grabbed her by the temple and the eye.
There were also some other close calls that missed and some assorted cat bites and scratches in there too. Needless to say she now refuses to be the technician handling the animals if they are larger dogs. They did have a pit mix in line randomly attack a beagle puppy one day, it apparently messed it up pretty bad and the cops had to be called because the owners just wanted to leave afterwards.
Lot of people walk their dogs off leash in my neighborhood. German shepherds, Rottweiler, etc.
One ( German Shepherd) ran up when I was getting my youngest off the school bus but his owner grabbed it. Our Great Pyrenees seen it and almost broke the screen door off its hinge when he ran into trying to intercept.
I had just got off work so I didn’t have a CCW with me at the time.
One ( German Shepherd) ran up when I was getting my youngest off the school bus but his owner grabbed it. Our Great Pyrenees seen it and almost broke the screen door off its hinge when he ran into trying to intercept.
I had just got off work so I didn’t have a CCW with me at the time.
Once again, irresponsible dog owner. A pitbull is a terrier and has the natural instinct to hunt and kill just like all terrier breeds. The most dangerous pitbulls are the ones who are owned by people that just can't handle them and only own them for social status. We're all gun owners/shooters here and we've all seen morons at the range who buy powerful guns that they can't handle and pose the risk of injury or death to all range participants. Same goes with morons who gets dog breeds they can't handle.
Thats what they were bred for. You weren't moving fast enough or staying with the rest of the herd.
I like Heelers. I like all dogs except for pits and the old european war dogs like the cane corso.
My sister and BIL adopted what my sister described as a med. size, very short haired, hard muscled, male dog with a rounded, not pointed muzzle.
One morning my sister leaned over towards my BIL as they were sitting at a kitchen counter on bar stools drinking coffee and that dog, who had never growled or shown any type of aggression, came up off the floor and bit my sister in the face. We're not talking nip, we're talking sinking all canines in the side of her face.
She ended up in the hospital with drain tubes sticking out of her face and a plastic surgeon called in.
She said the dog had some other neurological issues right after that and had to be put down. They live in El Paso so I was worried it was rabies and she said no, they had the dog vet checked and vaccinated when they adopted it. The way she described it, im thinking pitbull mix.
One morning my sister leaned over towards my BIL as they were sitting at a kitchen counter on bar stools drinking coffee and that dog, who had never growled or shown any type of aggression, came up off the floor and bit my sister in the face. We're not talking nip, we're talking sinking all canines in the side of her face.
She ended up in the hospital with drain tubes sticking out of her face and a plastic surgeon called in.
She said the dog had some other neurological issues right after that and had to be put down. They live in El Paso so I was worried it was rabies and she said no, they had the dog vet checked and vaccinated when they adopted it. The way she described it, im thinking pitbull mix.
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You're right Fig. I'm a MAGA cap wearing Boomer but there weren't any pitbulls when I was growing up. I worked for a vet in the early 70's in high school and saw everything including English Bulldogs which were very well behaved and cultured but never heard of a pitbull back then.
They didn't start becoming a thing until the trash cultures were reproducing like rats and swelled in numbers.
I grew up out in the country and never saw those kinds of dogs everybody had mutts. There was one guy with a gigantic rottweiler and since it was a small town everyone knew about it.
Fast forward ~25 years and my neighbors had two pits that jumped the fence and went on a murder spree, my other neighbor had one that was under county order to be muzzled because it bit everybody, those things are like bringing home a pet ork.
Exactly.
I think the dogs that would later be called pitbulls were just called 'bulldogs' back during the Depression and men riding the rails would warn other hobos of houses to avoid when looking for work if it had a 'mean dog' or 'bulldog.' But even when The Little Rascals was a popular show in the 30's, the lovable Pete the Pup was called a Staffordshire Terrier. Everyone liked Pete the Pup and some sorry bastard poisoned him.
My daughter in Maine owns a couple of pit rescues. I’ve never met them. She’s had them for a few years. Obviously, I was not thrilled when I heard this news, but according to her they’re fantastic, gentle, sweet animals. They have a lot of animals including cats that the pits live harmoniously with.
I’ve said before that I’ve met and even lived with some of the sweetest pits that you could ever know. I hate to condemn a breed of dog and or the people who own them. My daughter is the treasure of my life, and I respect her adult decisions, even if I might disagree or have trouble with it. Thank God, she’s not a Democrat.
Also, I’m not a dog expert and supposedly there’s some confusion about what a Pitbull actually is, so I’ll leave that to people more knowledgeable than me.
Having said all that, I’ve seen bred-in behaviors in animals. I’ve seen herding dogs. I’ve seen bird dogs. I’ve seen rabbit dogs. There is no way that you can tell me that a dog that was initially bred for fighting, doesn’t still have some of that in them. Is this causation? Well, I think it’s pretty hard to discount. Can we breed it out? Maybe. Are people trying? I don’t think so.
So, you have the Pitbull-Satan people and the Pitbull-Jesus people. My daughter started off a little bit like a Pitbull-Jesus person. But I was able to educate her that that was actually not a good strategy. And that people had genuine concerns and that treating people like they’re just being hyperbolic and not empathizing with their concerns was not doing the cause of Pitbulls any favors
Occasionally, I send her a story like this one. I could send one every day, but I don’t.
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I’ve said before that I’ve met and even lived with some of the sweetest pits that you could ever know. I hate to condemn a breed of dog and or the people who own them. My daughter is the treasure of my life, and I respect her adult decisions, even if I might disagree or have trouble with it. Thank God, she’s not a Democrat.
Also, I’m not a dog expert and supposedly there’s some confusion about what a Pitbull actually is, so I’ll leave that to people more knowledgeable than me.
Having said all that, I’ve seen bred-in behaviors in animals. I’ve seen herding dogs. I’ve seen bird dogs. I’ve seen rabbit dogs. There is no way that you can tell me that a dog that was initially bred for fighting, doesn’t still have some of that in them. Is this causation? Well, I think it’s pretty hard to discount. Can we breed it out? Maybe. Are people trying? I don’t think so.
So, you have the Pitbull-Satan people and the Pitbull-Jesus people. My daughter started off a little bit like a Pitbull-Jesus person. But I was able to educate her that that was actually not a good strategy. And that people had genuine concerns and that treating people like they’re just being hyperbolic and not empathizing with their concerns was not doing the cause of Pitbulls any favors
Occasionally, I send her a story like this one. I could send one every day, but I don’t.
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Abandoned, fatherless feral male humans and discarded pits go hand in hand. Both are societie's throwaways.
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