Rifle Scopes ANNOUNCING Steiner Military/Tactical Rifle Scopes

[SWFA]

2011 starts a new era of innovation from one of the world's oldest optic manufacturers. Steiner has doubled in house optical engineering capacity in the past 5 years hiring top optical engineers that specialize in state of the art riflescope technologies.

R&D outside co-operation and expenditures have increased more than two-fold to get more "cutting edge" developments.

Steiner's merger with Beretta has provided both companies with deeper insight into military needs and desires. Steiner has a stellar reputation for building top performing military binoculars and has more binoculars in military use than all competing brands combined.

Steiner's increased assets and technologies have allowed them the luxury of designing a precision riflescope from the ground up using the best tools and engineers available. These scopes are not adaptations to existing designs they are completely new from the ground up.

Steiner also had the benefit of evaluating everything on the market and were able to use the best performers as their benchmark to exceed. The new Steiner Military Tactical scopes are the real deal and will be seeing duty by many militaries world wide very soon.

 

[SWFA]

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[crnkin]

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Sweet. "Mil-spec mil-spec"

Twice the mil-spec!

Look interesting. I demand a review!

Chris

 

[KYS]

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Will Frank be getting one to review? They look a lot like a Premier Heritage.
Where can these be found at SHOT Show?! with Steiner or SWFA ? I want to look thru one!

 

[ajwcotton]

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I think if the quality is there it has potential, but
$2599 MSRP= what retail price

 

[jasonk]

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Like the parallax marking, like the brightness markings too.

Don't like....it looks loooong. Would be interested to know the OAL on the 4-16.

 

[KYS]

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If it works and is high quality, who cares about length?

 

[DesertMonkey]

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Did I miss it some where are these FFP of SFP?

Cheers,
DM

 

[jasonk]

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Length typically equals more weight. Longer scopes tend to get hung up on more and bounced into more stuff for me.

Running Hensoldts has really made me a fan of shorter scopes.

 

[KYS]

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They Hensoldt's are almost to short. they are hard to mount on some rifles. But I really like mine, they make shooting easier on the eyes.

 

[KeithR41]

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That's a Freakin' premier!

41

 

[7mmRM]

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They sure look interesting...

 

[glock24]

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Now you have my attention . . .

 

[SWFA]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Will Frank be getting one to review? They look a lot like a Premier Heritage.
Where can these be found at SHOT Show?! with Steiner or SWFA ? I want to look thru one! </div></div>

Frank will get one, those arrangement were made last year. I just don't know if we'll allow him to blow this one up or use it as a baseball bat, we're still contemplating that. I have no doubt they can take it but it made the Germans cringe when we asked (silly Americans).

 

[clmayfield]

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Is it just me or is this market way over-crowded? This is a good thing for us, I guess...

 

[JRose]

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I've been told that a longer focal length in a scope is your friend. I can't remember what exactly the benefit of a longer focal length offered though... Maybe someone who knows more about the internal workings of a scope can chime in and shed more light.

Looks good, we had some Steiner bino's at the FD that were amazing.

The >$2500 rifle scope room is sure getting crowded....

 

[Lowlight]

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FYI,

I got a note we'll (SH) will get to take a look at one of these, which I am not sure, but one...

 

[ChrisF]

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Yeap , at these specs , the market , already has solutions , the only stand out maybe HD lens .

It would have made sense to be different , ie a 3-12x42 with 30mm tube , and stepped turret housing ala Zeiss , that would have been a neat compitor to the March , and some thing like they use to make , like the little 4x24mm G3 scopes , instead of these models .

Later Chris

 

[SWFA]

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This was way preliminary information that has not been fully scrutinized and verified for accuracy, rough rough draft if you will.

There are some errors and typos but if you read it with a German accent the mistakes are not too bad.

 

[sharac]

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Hydrophobic ???? Lenses run away from the scope if you sprinkle them with water?

Somehow i'd expect Countersniper to be the in the title of this leaflet

 

[SWFA]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hydrophobic ???? Lenses run away from the scope if you sprinkle them with water?

Somehow i'd expect Countersniper to be the in the title of this leaflet

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Typical German, that is the technical term for the technology not some marketing term. It does sound funny though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrophobe

 

[matt33]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it just me or is this market way over-crowded? This is a good thing for us, I guess... </div></div>
I'm in the market for a FFP 5-25ish that is extremely durable and has awesome clarity. I'd like .1 mil adjustments and a mil based reticle that is finer than a simple mildot. I cannot spend more than $3k, I'd really like to be closer to $2k. There really aren't that many scopes that fit this bill. I'm currently leaning toward Premier.

I was really hoping NightForce would introduce a 5.5-22x F1 at this years Shot, but it appears that's still a long ways off. This Steiner looks promising.

 

[Rancid Coolaid]

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Hydrophobic is a good thing in optics coatings.

These look interessing, but are playing in Premier/Hensoldt territory, so they better be damn good.

 

[sharac]

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Yeah i know i'm just kidding was reading countersniper page with their vivid descriptions and this one kinda reminded me...

 

[EventHorizon]

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If my crash course in optics from Ilya is still fresh in my mind then

Length = depth of field

Hence why Premier and SB has better DoF than Hensoldt. And also I think why USOptics has better FOV than Hensoldt.

 

[savage110]

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This looks like an awesome scope, will have to wait for the reviews as Steiner's glass is top notch.

 

[Carnivore]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FYI,

I got a note we'll (SH) will get to take a look at one of these, which I am not sure, but one... </div></div>

Let's get out the Tannerite!

 

[koshkin]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If my crash course in optics from Ilya is still fresh in my mind then

Length = depth of field

Hence why Premier and SB has better DoF than Hensoldt. And also I think why USOptics has better FOV than Hensoldt. </div></div>

Correct (mostly). The FOV of USO has little to do with it, but depth of field is directly related to the focal length of the objective lens system.

This certainly looks like an interesting development. Perhaps, it is time start contemplating "High End Tactical: Part 3".

The pricing seems to put these scopes a little below Premier and others. If the performance is on par with the current top makers, this may create some pricing pressure in the market place.

Off hand, I would theorize that they took S&B as a target and a scope to beat and worked off of that.

I'l check them out at SHOT next week and let you know what I find.

ILya

 

[Mr Flannel]

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Isn't hydrophobia a symptom of rabies?

Just mention the war to the Germans and watch them froth at the mouth...LOL

Still, I've never had more durable binos than the steiner mil/marine. If these scopes are typical steiner engineering, even Der Commandant may have a challenge making one go kaput.

 

[Jon Lester]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Priest</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Isn't hydrophobia a symptom of rabies?

Just mention the war to the Germans and watch them froth at the mouth...LOL

<span style="color: #FF0000">Still, I've never had more durable binos than the steiner mil/marine. If these scopes are typical steiner engineering, even Der Commandant may have a challenge making one go kaput.</span> </div></div>

I have a couple of pairs on here somewere that as been reduced to the 5 yr olds play things. The Plastic gearing in the eye sets failed miserably in both and one was areplacement for a previous failure(Same plastic gear).

 

[zink14]

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Looks like it has the right specs, and the right price...I like it...

 

[chadg]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Priest</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Isn't hydrophobia a symptom of rabies?

Just mention the war to the Germans and watch them froth at the mouth...LOL

Still, I've never had more durable binos than the steiner mil/marine. If these scopes are typical steiner engineering, even Der Commandant may have a challenge making one go kaput. </div></div>


Yes the lenses are coated with rabies....lol

 

[CMH]

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Hopefully they have better optics than their current bino lines, which after recent review leave a lot to be desired in my opinon (at all price points).

Casey

 

[matchking]

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Hopefully production models won't have turrets marked in "clicks" as the photos indicate.

 

[Mr Flannel]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon Lester</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Priest</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Isn't hydrophobia a symptom of rabies?

Just mention the war to the Germans and watch them froth at the mouth...LOL

<span style="color: #FF0000">Still, I've never had more durable binos than the steiner mil/marine. If these scopes are typical steiner engineering, even Der Commandant may have a challenge making one go kaput.</span>
</div></div>

I have a couple of pairs on here somewere that as been reduced to the 5 yr olds play things. The Plastic gearing in the eye sets failed miserably in both and one was areplacement for a previous failure(Same plastic gear). </div></div>

That's disappointing to hear. I wonder how long they've used plastic gearing for. Didn't realise this was used in the mil/marine models. Mileage obviously varies. I used a set in the MEAO that I brought home with me that copped a stack of abuse and a mate of mine has a set of 7x50s that he got back in the early 90s which are still going (rubber housing is looking distinctly tatty though).

Hopefully there'll be nothing plastic inside the new rabies scopes...

 

[5RWill]

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We have a pair of Steiner Binos that have worked fine. Good clarity also. Good to see another top end scope on the market, unless the optics market is different from others, more products equal more competition which in turn is better for us the consumers.

 

[Snape315]

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These do look interesting. Especially the 1-4x.

But...

<span style="font-weight: bold"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KeithR41</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's a Freakin' premier!
</div></div></span>

I AGREE!!!

 

[SWFA]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DesertMonkey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did I miss it some where are these FFP of SFP?

Cheers,
DM </div></div>

FFP

 

[BobinNC]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snape315</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These do look interesting. Especially the 1-4x.

But...

<span style="font-weight: bold"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KeithR41</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's a Freakin' premier!
</div></div></span>

I AGREE!!!

</div></div>

Except I have read that the new Steiners were made in consortium with Burris, and not Premier. A $2500 Burris, now that's interesting.

 

[tt350z]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snape315</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These do look interesting. Especially the 1-4x.

But...

<span style="font-weight: bold"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KeithR41</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's a Freakin' premier!
</div></div></span>

I AGREE!!!

</div></div>

Except I have read that the new Steiners were made in consortium with Burris, and not Premier. A $2500 Burris, now that's interesting. </div></div>

Probably how they got the MSRP to be anywhere from $200-300 less than a Premier for a similar model.

 

[Snape315]

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Is there pricing info on these (especially the 1-4x24 scope) yet??

I couldn't find them yet on the SWFA website.

 

[Redmanss]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snape315</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there pricing info on these (especially the 1-4x24 scope) yet??

I couldn't find them yet on the SWFA website.

</div></div> It's going to be a bit until you get the actual retail prices, especially on the 1-4x. The MSRP's are listed in the bottom of the first post though, and lists the 1-4x at $2199. You can probably expect the actual retail prices to be pretty close to MSRP for the first few months of release.

 

[head2h2o]

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Nice to see another player in the game. I have had a pair of their binoculars for over 10 years and they have performed great in the woods hunting.

 

[Snape315]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Redmanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snape315</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there pricing info on these (especially the 1-4x24 scope) yet??

I couldn't find them yet on the SWFA website.

</div></div> It's going to be a bit until you get the actual retail prices, especially on the 1-4x. The MSRP's are listed in the bottom of the first post though, and lists the 1-4x at $2199. You can probably expect the actual retail prices to be pretty close to MSRP for the first few months of release. </div></div>

$2199 ?!?! Wow.

I could almost get the Premier V8 1-8x scope for that price!!!

 

[johndoe]

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Would be interested in a review as everybody else would but hope
the glass would be a step up or two from the bino's.

 

[Nortex]

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Should be good considering how good their binos are.

 

[recce556]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SWFA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Frank will get one, those arrangement were made last year. I just don't know if we'll allow him to blow this one up or use it as a baseball bat, we're still contemplating that. I have no doubt they can take it but it made the Germans cringe when we asked (silly Americans). </div></div>
Do they mean the "silly Americans" that put them in their place and helped them back onto their feet?...I bet they didn't think that was silly.

J/K...sort of. I think it would help to let them know that such testing, as silly as they may appear, just give us piece of mind. I mean if their scopes are built for MIL <span style="text-decoration: line-through">punishment</span> use, then they should let Frank do whatever Frank wants to do with it. If they survive unscathed, it can only boost their sales/credibility into this rather tough market.

I took a look at these at SHOT and they seemed pretty nice but I would definitely want to see a good in-depth review from the likes of Frank or Ilya...or they can send me one and I'll <span style="text-decoration: line-through">beat on it</span>...er, review it, myself.

 

[Northland]

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Anybody have one of these yet?

 

[Trevor300wsm]

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I don't think so.
I was/am very interested in this scope. The model that was at SHOT looked pretty decent. Most people who seem it/looked thru it liked it. Im not sure, but it seems like I read somewhere that it'd be late 2012 or early 2013 before these were available to the average joe like us. That may be incorrect, but it seems like I recall that.

It'd be nice if Frank or SWFA would update and let us know. I bet someone out there has some info.

 

[Lowlight]

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The model I have it is not the US Release one, so I didn't do a full review on it for that reason and when I received the scope the original pricing has since changed.

The scopes have very good glass, the internals appeared to be accurate within .1 mils across the entire usable range and it has a very solid construction.

The new updated pricing makes these very attractive, coming in at around $2k you get European Glass, 34mm. My only downside which is a personal thing is the size. The 4-16x model have is long for a scope in that magnification range. I found it to be longer than the SWFA SSHD 5-25x, so you have a pretty long scope here.

But for those looking for a Premier-ish optic with very similar traits the Steiner is a good choice at a more cost effective price.

Talking at Sky at SHOT they were going to get me a US Model, which has a different set of turret markings, so I am not showing much until then because nobody will be able to separate the fact the one I had was a Pre-US-Release model and everyone will constantly point out what they see and not what they read.

Still, overall I think it will compete with the likes of Premier, USO and the other scopes coming in at $2k.