Another TAB gear sling question..RAS vs elite

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I know there are a lot of sling threads on here, and I did perform a search that did provide me some guidance. I was originally set on getting the tab gear elite sling but then noticed the RAS sling and that complicated things for me a little...

It seems to me that the RAS is the "new" model featuring the rapid adjust feature. So now I'm wondering if there is any reason I should get the Elite over the RAS? I have a couple of the vickers vcas slings, and I can see how the RAS has it's advantages for adjustability. Are there any downsides to the RAS when compared to the elite? I know the elite has the nice metal buckles that would be a "just because" feature for me, but is there something else I'm missing? When would one want the elite (or non elite, for that matter) over the RAS?

Thanks.
 
There is no need to get the elite. My friend and i came to the conclusion that the buckles are useless for our applications and we use them about 2x a year max. All the rest of the time they are just banging into things on the rifle.

I hope Tony starts to offer the R.A.S. with no buckles and a loop still
 
Walters makes a good point. I have a TAB sling with the regular fastex buckles. I removed one of them (the sling has two, which is unnecessary for me) and barely ever use the other. I do like having the feature available, but I probably wouldn't miss it if it were a steel ring instead.
 
There is no need to get the elite. My friend and i came to the conclusion that the buckles are useless for our applications and we use them about 2x a year max. All the rest of the time they are just banging into things on the rifle.

I hope Tony starts to offer the R.A.S. with no buckles and a loop still

Realistically, I doubt ill use the buckles often either. So you're suggesting that I look in to the regular TAB gear sling with no buckles or the RAS if I want that feature? Thanks for the input!
 
So you're suggesting that I look in to the regular TAB gear sling with no buckles or the RAS if I want that feature? Thanks for the input!

I need to pick up another sling and have been going back and forth on ordering a regular TAB or trying the no buckle version. As I said, I do like the option. Better to have it and not need it?
 
Good morning gents.

Elite versus Fastex: You will give nothing up by going with the Fastex buckles. For the vast majority of our customers you will never get into a situation where the Cobra buckle will be a big advantage over a simple Fastex buckle.

I can remember giving the recommendation to only two customers that they might be better off going with the Elite buckles because they were using the equipment in extreme cold temperatures for extended times and were worried about Fastex getting brittle. Even then I said that I was pretty sure they would be fine with Fastex but if they wanted complete piece of mind then I would go with Elite if I were in their shoes.

With that being said, the Elite slings sure do look good and they are built like tanks, and we sell a lot of them.

Buckles versus no buckles: The reason we install the two buckles on the slings is so that there will be a buckle easily accessible no matter how the rifle is carried. This allows the rifle to be easily released from a carry position without having to pull it up over the head, pack, etc, for quick deployment. The buckles were installed after feedback from a military unit we had contact with cobbled together their own slings for reasons described while they were overseas.

I can understand that there may be times where you don't want or need to have buckles on the sling and you can order any of our slings without buckles, or just one buckle if that's what you want.

Regular sling versus RAS:

The regular sling is built along the lines of a traditional shooting sling, with the addition of the two buckles. I made the shooting loop one size because I didn't like the sling changing lengths with a shooting loop that was adjustable. The reason for the buckles is addressed above.

The RAS was developed to attempt to turn the sling into more of a shooting aid than a carry strap for the way a precision rifle is used on the field today.

Let's face it no one can use a traditional sling with a shooting loop that the arm must be inserted into in a timed stage during a shooting match where multiple shooting points are required. I went to a military sniper match earlier this year and had an opportunity to watch the guys in a couple stages, stress fire being one of them. Multiple targets were engaged from multiple positions. Not a single person slung up for the stage and they all had the current issue sling, or a Turner type sling. In talking to the guys after the match no one had ever put their arms through the shooting loop of their sling.

The RAS is built with a traditional shooting loop that allow the shooter to insert their arm into the loop. The sling also has the Rapid Adjust buckle in between the arm loop and the front swivel. This allows the shooter to quickly adjust the tension on the fly for any position you may be in. This is still using the sling in a traditional manner. Since I made the RAS I have shot several matches around the country. As guys know who shoot the precision rifle matches, the course of fire is getting more and more away from the static prone positions and more into moving and transitioning for multiple shots at different shooting points, as well as having positional stages thrown in. I have not put my arm through the shooting loop a single time for any of these stages. I have been carrying my rifle in a patrol type carry that allows me to use the sling in any position from standing to unsupported prone and never get out of the sling.

If you'll watch the video here you will see what I'm talking about using the patrol type carry and how it will work in any position. This carry position allows a shooter to get into and out of position much quicker, and for me, is even steadier than taking the time to insert my arm into the shooters loop.

https://www.riflesonly.com/pro-shop/tactical-gear/tab-rapid-adjust-sling-ras.html

In reference to the military sniper match we observed above. When we showed the guys the benefits of the RAS sling and had them try it out on a barricade they were all impressed with the ease of use and how much it aided them in acquiring a fast and much steadier shooting position over what they had been using.


That was kind of long winded to answer a couple of questions:

You will be just fine with Fastex buckles.

I would recommend a RAS over a regular sling if you are going to be slinging up and shooting precision matches.

The slings can be ordered with one buckle, or no buckles, if you want.
 
Thanks for the reply Mr Burkes. It was very helpful. I ended up going with the RAS because I like that feature on the VCAS slings I have.

Off the topic of slings, I was looking at the BA belts and have a question about the sizing. I mostly wear 34" waist pants, but for some pants I'm more comfortable in a 36" waist. Should I go with the 34 or 36? How many extra inches does the tail on the belt give?

Thanks again.