Anschutz 1411 Match 54

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45 years ago I shot small bore rifle competitions with this rifle and just by dumb luck was able to recently re-acquire the rifle. I would get a big kick out of my kid shooting this as well. Has anyone ever thought to try and put a modern day optic on a rifle like this? I'm sure it will prove to be more for nostalgia than competitiveness, but I'd sure like to try.

Thanks in advance,
Bob
 
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Contender-1 said:
45 years ago I shot small bore rifle competitions with this rifle and just by dumb luck was able to recently re-acquire the rifle. I would get a big kick out of my kid shooting this as well. Has anyone ever thought to try and put a modern day optic on a rifle like this? I'm sure it will prove to be more for nostalgia than competitiveness, but I'd sure like to try.

Thanks in advance,
Bob
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Contessa, in Italy, make a Picatinny rail especially for the Anschutz Match 54 receiver and it is available as a flat or angled rail. If memory serves correctly, they have 10 and 20 degree options. I have never used Contessa products but they have an excellent reputation and the UK agent is also the UK Schultz and Larsen agent, which should tell you something.
When I get around to it, I will ask the Pommy agent if that configuration will work on my Walther target rifle.
 
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Contender-1 said:
45 years ago I shot small bore rifle competitions with this rifle and just by dumb luck was able to recently re-acquire the rifle. I would get a big kick out of my kid shooting this as well. Has anyone ever thought to try and put a modern day optic on a rifle like this? I'm sure it will prove to be more for nostalgia than competitiveness, but I'd sure like to try.

Thanks in advance,
Bob
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You can use the Anschutz 6811 scope rail provided your rifle has the dovetail cuts the full length of the receiver. This will allow you to get the scope far enough forward for prone, the rails noted above are good for benchrest but usually dont work well for prone. This is commonly used in Smallbore prone and 3P matches for the any sight phases where scopes are allowed. If your kid is young enough, find a smallbore junior program and sign him/her up, it is still a great sport and still an NCAA sport.
 
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The BEST rings for the Anschutz rail are probably the Kelbly sets. Have them on my 54 Silo, as it doesn’t get fired in the dirt.

That said, they don’t make a cantilever version, and it’s hard to get a scope far enough forward on the 54 receiver for Prone without getting the scope out over the barrel.

Thus: a BKL mount on my 3P RF Sporter rifle.

Just be damn careful with it, as the little mount has a wholllle bunch of leverage working against it.

ETA: Yeah. What Pete said. (I forgot about those Annie rails, Pete.)
 
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Shot open sights deep into my 40’s, eyes are gone these days. If It doesn’t have a scope, wont work for me. Trying to have best of both worlds. Looking forward to teach my kid to shoot With peep sights
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Getting old sucks and I'm the same. Red dots on my handguns and scopes, dots on my long guns now.
 
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Contender-1 said:
45 years ago I shot small bore rifle competitions with this rifle and just by dumb luck was able to recently re-acquire the rifle. I would get a big kick out of my kid shooting this as well. Has anyone ever thought to try and put a modern day optic on a rifle like this? I'm sure it will prove to be more for nostalgia than competitiveness, but I'd sure like to try.

Thanks in advance,
Bob
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They have what you're looking for.
 
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Bob,
I went thru the same thing with my vision, went from 20-15 vision to needing glasses like someone flipped a switch when I turned 40 (most folks do, I am in my mid 60's) but by using shooting glasses like this www.centra-visier.de/en/products/shooting-glasses/frame-glasses/frame-glasses/ or this http://champchoice.com/store/Main.aspx?p=ItemDetailOptions&item=K1023 or a lens frame like this https://oberleenterprises.com/product/tech-rho-mono-frame-lense-holder/ attached to the rear sight and the correct lens prescription you can shoot irons as well as you did in your younger days (baring any serious/extreme eye problems). The hardest part of the glasses thing is convincing your eye doc or optician to make the lens with the additional +.5 diopter added to your normal distance correction but there are other folks in the competition shooting supply business that can supply a lens if needed.
So don't let your eyesight stop you, if your son takes an interest, start shooting with him, my son was my shooting partner for nearly 10 years until he went off to college.
Here is another resource that is relatively local to you should your son want to pursue the sport www.ishootconsulting.com
They use the Hollywood range for training and have developed lots of successful kids.
I also suggest that you look around here https://www.usashooting.org/ for more info on smallbore.
 
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Just spoke to DIP and they were fantastic to deal with. Having a bit of a trigger issue when closing the bolt. Hoping it’s just some overdue needed maintenance. Heading to Down to Hollywood to check things out soon.

Thanks to everyone in this group for your assistance. I genuinely appreciate the knowledge.
Bob
 
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I don’t shoot prone with this rifle. Just bench rest and in that mode it is fine. My scope is a T36 and i found that i could not get enough down elevation so the version of BKL mount i had to by had a weaver rail. Then i used Burris z-rings so i could turn it into a 20 moa rail. Then everything is fine.

one thought about having it far enough foward is to move the scope far enough forward so both rins are behind the turrets. I have seen that done also

David
 
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I have heard of that, but have never seen it. Why the need 20 moa of elevation? How far are you shooting a .22?
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I really don’t know why i needed the 20 moa. I do know that T36 don’t have a lot of elevation and windage adjustment. That was what i attributed it to. My T24 that I originally had on it had no problems.

I am only shooting shooting 50 and 100.

David
 
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@Contender-1 I used these for a '67 Super Match. They are an elegant solution from an engineering stand point. They are very easy to use, very reasonably priced, work exactly as described and with Burris Signature Z-rings allow you to build in elevation.

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@Contender-1 I used these for a '67 Super Match. They are an elegant solution from an engineering stand point. They are very easy to use, very reasonably priced, work exactly as described and with Burris Signature Z-rings allow you to build in elevation.

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The problem the OP and I have is that the older Match 54 do not have an extension of the 11mm rail on the front bridge. Your solution would indeed be a good one because your 67 does have the extension of the 11mm rail.

David
 
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The biggest problems with the BKL mounts are:

1) they don’t appear particularly refined.

2) they don’t cost enough to make us all feel good about dropping an expensive scope into them to be placed on an expensive rifle.

They work pretty well though.

-Nate
 
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I have to ask, what distance are you shooting these old rifles. I see some high dollar scopes with high magnification for a rifle I shot at 50 yds when I was a kid with peep sights. Is there a long distance .22 comp I haven’t heard about?
Thanks to all who have responded,
Bob
 
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The problem the OP and I have is that the older Match 54 do not have an extension of the 11mm rail on the front bridge. Your solution would indeed be a good one because your 67 does have the extension of the 11mm rail.
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@Dstoenner Correction noted, thank you David. I guess I would revert to the DIP Anschutz 54 rail. Feed the rail over the back bridge until the "claws" on the rail for the dovetail contact the front bridge and use something on the face of the bridge that will mark the rail indicating how much of the claw needs to be removed. Use Dremel judiciously and finish with mill file or emery cloth. Using filler of choice bed the front of the rail to the bridge. Remove, clean up front screw holes, apply adhesive of choice, reposition rail, let cure, insert screws with blue LocTITE and wait. Not elegant but it should provide a "relatively" stable platform for rings.

@Contender-1 I would be very interested to hear what your conversation with DIP was. The story of your rifles return is great.

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I have to ask, what distance are you shooting these old rifles. I see some high dollar scopes with high magnification for a rifle I shot at 50 yds when I was a kid with peep sights. Is there a long distance .22 comp I haven’t heard about?
Thanks to all who have responded,
Bob
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There have been lots of booms in different shooting venues. Sporting Clays for shotgunners. CAS for western three-gun and the hottest current movement is probably .22RF games. Go to the SH rimfire forum and you can read about NRL.22, PRS.22, F-Class.22, etc. There is also a bunch of informal stuff at different clubs such as extended range BR, extended range F-class etc. .22 RF competitions are not dying they're simply morphing and spreading in every direction. Check at your local clubs and I'm sure you can find courses of fire that will fit a scoped Annie. Welcome to the new world.
 
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