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54 has a beefier action, usually a better trigger. The barrels are press fit, not screwed in. A competent gunsmith can handle a barrel swap with no worries. I have yet to see a 64 that will shoot with a 54, there may be some, but I haven't seen one. Hope this helps.
No, Annie 54s cannot be quickly changed like a CZ. Look up some photos.
That being said, the big positive about spending $2,000 on a rimfire rifle is that it doesn't NEED to be worked on...it's Germany's best work.
For all but the 0.1% of accuracy needs, their factory tubes are more than adequate.
That being said, the big positive about spending $2,000 on a rimfire rifle is that it doesn't NEED to be worked on...it's Germany's best work.
For all but the 0.1% of accuracy needs, their factory tubes are more than adequate.
How does the 54 accuracy compare to the 1827F ?
I've been wanting one of the Anschutz rifles for some time, but the 1827F always seems to be the most lustable for me.
I've been wanting one of the Anschutz rifles for some time, but the 1827F always seems to be the most lustable for me.
The 54 and 54.30 are the accuracy rifles.
The Fortners are the fairly accurate but really fast rifles.
The Repeater 54 match rifles are the accuracy rifles that are also fast (good luck finding one).
The repeater 54 sporting rifles are for the guy who wants most of the accuracy of a 54, and a great trigger (but not 5018 great), but likes a walnut field gun.
The 64 rifles do the same things at a lower price and lower performance level. No other way to put that.
The Fortners are the fairly accurate but really fast rifles.
The Repeater 54 match rifles are the accuracy rifles that are also fast (good luck finding one).
The repeater 54 sporting rifles are for the guy who wants most of the accuracy of a 54, and a great trigger (but not 5018 great), but likes a walnut field gun.
The 64 rifles do the same things at a lower price and lower performance level. No other way to put that.
There is no comparison between the two actions, the 54 is superior in about every way. As mentioned there is no option for a quick change barrel or even an end user serviceable barrel, gunsmith required. If accuracy is you primary focus then the 54 is hands down the option. However if you want a repeater then your in for a search (as stated), I have owned 3 and they are great.
So is the 54 worth the $ over the 64, IMO yes. Are there other rifles that you should consider? Maybe, but depends on your end goal. I have seen CZ 455's that will shoot with factory 54's (after they have had a lot of work done to them), so that is an option. IMO if you want an extremely accurate rifle that is a repeater get the V22. If your on a very tight budget and the V22 seems out of reach but it checks all the boxes for you, then wait and save up your $ it WILL be worth it. That is coming from an Anschutz fan boy who is currently very deep into an Anschutz build that is shooting very well. Ill probably have a V22 in the future if all goes well.
Yes, a repeater is a magazine fed action as opposed to a single shot tray action. The repeater has metal removed on the bottom to allow the mag to be used, most match actions dont have that as they want a very stiff action. The Anschutz 54 action MSR's ( Match Silhouette Repeater) stopped production around 2010 if I remember correctly and now go for a costly premium if you can find one used. Think $3k+.
64 actions are quite a bit lighter, almost 2 lbs I think. The 64 "match" actions are 1 mm thicker and more rigid, but a 54 action is still more rigid. Different bolt layout between a 54 and 64,
I'd choose a built CZ over an Annie 64. I can work with the lesser trigger of the CZ with a more substantial action because short of blocking the barrel and floating the action, that 64 is still gonna string vertically.
Damn. $3,000 for the 54.18 MS-R?! Really?!
Damn. $3,000 for the 54.18 MS-R?! Really?!
It would take at least that for me to part with my 54.18. It took me way too long to find it...and it shoots like a house on fire!
But these ones have the 54 action and are repeater, right?
https://www.eurooptic.com/Anschutz-54-Series-Sporting-Rifles.aspx
Yes, but those are sporter barrels. They are exceptional, and the 1712 Featherweight Silhouette MG is in a class it's own, but they almost always string a little larger groups than the heavier barreled rifles. Those actions also do not accept the 5018/5020/5022 trigger group.
...now that "GRS" heavy barrel with the 5020 sounds--conceptually--VERY similar to the 54.18 Repeaters.
Send me one, and I'll let ya know!!
...now that "GRS" heavy barrel with the 5020 sounds--conceptually--VERY similar to the 54.18 Repeaters.
Send me one, and I'll let ya know!!
Fortunately for me and my 1827F, is I have a short neck, it barely works for me. This biathlon rifle was designed of course for aperture sights so scope mounting can be an issue for bigger guys in stock configuration, you can't get the scope far enough forward with the 11mm dovevtail mount. To get around this you can have a beefy custom mount made with a forward bias or have a custom 11mm dovetail mounted on the top of the receiver where the barrel goes in.
I made do with mine how it is and use a 28moa AI 11mm rail with heavy scopes and haven't had any problems.
The 1727 solves this mounting issue but I have to say I love the 1827F stock??!! I could probably like the GRS stock though.
Sheesh, I looked up the current price for a new 1827F and it was $900 more than I paid!
In my mind the Fortner action is the most awesome 22 action ever made! I just love mine and "at times" it's made the difference between winning and 2nd place - speed and accuracy. I still remember some of the stages when this rang true.
I made do with mine how it is and use a 28moa AI 11mm rail with heavy scopes and haven't had any problems.
The 1727 solves this mounting issue but I have to say I love the 1827F stock??!! I could probably like the GRS stock though.
Sheesh, I looked up the current price for a new 1827F and it was $900 more than I paid!
In my mind the Fortner action is the most awesome 22 action ever made! I just love mine and "at times" it's made the difference between winning and 2nd place - speed and accuracy. I still remember some of the stages when this rang true.
Steve, take a look at this guy's work: http://www.altiusguns.com/uploads/files/Recent-Altius-Stocks.pdf
I've spoken to him on the phone and he coached a gal I went to school with. Cool dude, and I bet he could make whatever you wanted, not just biathlon-oriented. He also makes some cool-ass accessories like aluminum spare round holders, etc.
And take a look at these aluminum base plates: http://www.nordicmarksman.com/World-Cup-Biathlon-ALU-Magazine-Floor-Plate.html
Cool.
-Nate
I've spoken to him on the phone and he coached a gal I went to school with. Cool dude, and I bet he could make whatever you wanted, not just biathlon-oriented. He also makes some cool-ass accessories like aluminum spare round holders, etc.
And take a look at these aluminum base plates: http://www.nordicmarksman.com/World-Cup-Biathlon-ALU-Magazine-Floor-Plate.html
Cool.
-Nate
Thanks for those links, neat stuff!
I'll keep him in mind in case I go with a custom mount.
The 54 is a work of art. Glides like butter and locks up like a bank vault. The 64 is a more utilitarian design. Light weight and simple. Both actions have been utilized in Olympic shooting for several decades. The accuracy is in the barrel. There are 64 actions that will shoot with 54's, given the operator is up to snuff. For plinking/benchrest the 54 is the easy answer. If you plan on carrying the rifle and hunting game the 64 is the way to go. I have several of both variety & like them all.
If you want historical perspective, my understanding, based on recent reading, is that the Anschutz Match 54 started out as the ultimate iteration of the Mauser .22 rimfire rifles, the prototype being developed through the late 1930s and WW2 and then being confiscated from Mauser after the war; and sold to Anschutz who developed it into a production rifle.
The Match 64 action serves two purposes, firstly: a light target rifle for women and Junior shooters; secondly: a light rifle for walking hunts, that initially competed with the Brno Model 2, Steyr Zephyr, BSA repeaters, etc.
The Match 64 action serves two purposes, firstly: a light target rifle for women and Junior shooters; secondly: a light rifle for walking hunts, that initially competed with the Brno Model 2, Steyr Zephyr, BSA repeaters, etc.
In the 60-70s Savage imported and cobranded Annies. You can find Model 64 action sporters from then for under $500. Great plinking rifles that are well built and elegant.
Also owned a 1712 with a beautiful stock and 54 action, the ultimate sporter, pretty much perfect.
As for repeating all the sport rifles take conventional 5-10 round magazines.
Also owned a 1712 with a beautiful stock and 54 action, the ultimate sporter, pretty much perfect.
As for repeating all the sport rifles take conventional 5-10 round magazines.
Never owned a 54. Owned a 164 sporter for awhile a couple years ago. Stupidly accurate, cycled great, fantastic trigger. Sold it to fund something else and it's probably the gun I regret selling the most.
I'm sure the 54 is superior, but I doubt 99% of people would ever be able to tell the difference between a 54 and a 64 with a good trigger.
I'm sure the 54 is superior, but I doubt 99% of people would ever be able to tell the difference between a 54 and a 64 with a good trigger.
Actually, to my knowledge, ALL the repeating bolt action Anschutz rifles take the same magazines, to include the 54.18's and Fortners.
I own 1918 SuperMatch and recently bought 64MPR for PRS style training and 22PRS club matches. Never liked CZ, especially their triggers and the way how CZ fixes barrels has bad reputation on accuracy. Had also Tikka T1 on order, but since they postponed deliveries from May to now already end of November, I had enough and had the order cancelled.
On the other hand, I could not be more happy with 64. Accuracy wise it is very good straight out of the box, trigger is not very far from 1918, but VERY far from CZ and other rimfires.
To compare SuperMatch and 64MPR: if your goal is target shooting then single shot 1918 is a bit better on everything; heavier, more trigger options, better accuracy potential, etc. This also reflects on the price which is around double to the 64MPR.
On the other hand, I could not be more happy with 64. Accuracy wise it is very good straight out of the box, trigger is not very far from 1918, but VERY far from CZ and other rimfires.
To compare SuperMatch and 64MPR: if your goal is target shooting then single shot 1918 is a bit better on everything; heavier, more trigger options, better accuracy potential, etc. This also reflects on the price which is around double to the 64MPR.
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My Lilja barreled Vudoo and my Anschutz Custom Shop 1710 both shoot neck and neck. Generally speaking, either rifle averages in the .6xx" range at 100 yards off bipod. Both rifles cost nearly the same and have strengths and weaknesses. The 5109 trigger in the Annie is unlike anything I've ever experienced in a Remington 700 platform rifle. The trigger is crisp, light and overall exceptional in every way. Having both rifles which are both outstanding, I would have to choose the Anschutz. The ultra quick lock time, smooth bolt cycle, and excellent trigger make it almost boring to shoot small groups with.
I generally shoot Eley Edge out of both since I found a great lot of this ammo and bought a case at roughly $8 / box pricing. With Eley black box match the groups might shrink a little if any. Here is a typical target shot with the Annie that I actually shot last night.
I generally shoot Eley Edge out of both since I found a great lot of this ammo and bought a case at roughly $8 / box pricing. With Eley black box match the groups might shrink a little if any. Here is a typical target shot with the Annie that I actually shot last night.
My Lilja barreled Vudoo and my Anschutz Custom Shop 1710 both shoot neck and neck. Generally speaking, either rifle averages in the .6xx" range at 100 yards off bipod. Both rifles cost nearly the same and have strengths and weaknesses. The 5109 trigger in the Annie is unlike anything I've ever experienced in a Remington 700 platform rifle. The trigger is crisp, light and overall exceptional in every way. Having both rifles which are both outstanding, I would have to choose the Anschutz. The ultra quick lock time, smooth bolt cycle, and excellent trigger make it almost boring to shoot small groups with.
I generally shoot Eley Edge out of both since I found a great lot of this ammo and bought a case at roughly $8 / box pricing. With Eley black box match the groups might shrink a little if any. Here is a typical target shot with the Annie that I actually shot last night.
I have been looking at a rifle like this one....but with a Lilja. The bolt knob you have is aftermarket I assume? Easy to upgrade or does it require grinding off the old one? What custom shop work was done on it? What is the length and contour of the barrel?
How does that gun do at 50 yards? Thanks!
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Its a phenomenal gun. The bolt knob and picatinny rail are from DIP Inc. The bolt handle is threaded and the knobs come off fairly easily, no major surgery required to swap em out. Heres the info direct from the custom shop on the work done on each rifle:
In the Custom Shop, each rifle receives epoxy bedded of the receiver with a free-floated barrel, tuned bolt and trigger, extended magazine release, hex-keyed action screws, upgraded bolt handle, and aluminum magazine base. The stocks are finished off with a hard wax buffing.
Mine has an 18" threaded stainless steel barrel that measures around .900" OD - straight bull, no taper.
I just got the gun a few weeks ago so I've only shot it at 100 and beyond. Most of my .22 shooting is at 100, 150 and 200. I should have a chance to put some groups together at 50 this weekend so I'll update this thread with the results. Based on what I have seen at 100, I would guess the groups would be excellent.
In the Custom Shop, each rifle receives epoxy bedded of the receiver with a free-floated barrel, tuned bolt and trigger, extended magazine release, hex-keyed action screws, upgraded bolt handle, and aluminum magazine base. The stocks are finished off with a hard wax buffing.
Mine has an 18" threaded stainless steel barrel that measures around .900" OD - straight bull, no taper.
I just got the gun a few weeks ago so I've only shot it at 100 and beyond. Most of my .22 shooting is at 100, 150 and 200. I should have a chance to put some groups together at 50 this weekend so I'll update this thread with the results. Based on what I have seen at 100, I would guess the groups would be excellent.
Is this a known issue, or a one off? yes, for that kind of money, the gun should not have these issues.
There is an in between option as well. If you purchase a 64 through the custom shop, you will get a gun that shoots considerably better than a stock 64. It will be a lot cheaper than the 54 action but closer in performance.
My Annie custom 64 ran me about $1,950 and came with 2 5 round and a 10 round magazine. It has the Anschutz 2 stage match trigger, a tuned bolt with larger bolt knob, rechambered barrel, hex head action screws, extended magazine release and the wooden MPR stock. I wanted a repeater so the 54 action was not for me. I'm really not disappointed at all.
I forgot to mention that I am left handed...which was the bigger problem with the 54 action
I've been dreaming about building a lefty rifle on one of those 54 action pistols of theirs for a while now. My old 1972 model Sporter is right handed, but I have shot right handed guns all my life, so it's nothing new.
I don't know that they offer that anymore but I believe that my 2 stage match trigger was from that pistol as it was the only two stage LH trigger they had. I was amazed at the resourcefulness of the custom shop to meet a customer's need both performance and financial
Yeah. I don't think it's available new anymore. They pop up on gunbroker and other places from time to time.
