Any G3 and FAL experts on here?

[Rlbol]

I don't know much about either but just picked up 2 Springfield armory rifles. One a sar 8 the other a Sar 4800. Both are new and the price was right for them.

so my questions are what kind of accuracy can be expected out of them? I have always wanted a PSG-1 however with the price they are going for now I would hate to really beat one up and shoot it a lot. So my thought was to have one of the many HK conversion shops build me a PSG-1 out of the SAR 8.

Having a gap 10, I am expecting to much?

 

[Ruslow]

I have a PSG1 and also a SR9TC. both use a polygon barrel [no rifling]. The SR( I shoot on occasion] and just look at the other. Accuracy is Ok never really did a load work up but the 308 versions offer a 1k rear site so i would say you can hit steel at that distance but not accurately.The SR9TC will hold 1moa with 168 match. Now as for HK stuff the factory chambers are fluted for easier extraction of the shell case. And will even eject the case with NO extractor present. But at a cost brass is non useable [in MY opinion]. The after market ones that I have seen are using barrels that are just about worn out will they shoot yes will you hit anything past 300 yards smaller than a cow maybe.Stan

 

[Thumper580]

Both are true battle rifles.... accuracy is ok. The FAL accuracy is referred to as MOA... man of angle. You can hit man size targets. I have owned both. Both are very cool battle rifles, but not known as "accurate". The best bang for the buck is an AR308, etc. style rifle. Enjoy what you have and have fun shooting them. Wish I still had mine.

 

[linedrive301ft]

Shoot them and have fun. I have had them and they will shoot 1/2 min of barn door.

 

[Mike_in_FL]

The only person that can make a FAL accurate is Ed Vandenberg. I think this is because he turns and chambers new blanks and has his own method of free floating the barrel.

Anyone that says they have an accurate FAL is a damn liar. Anyone that says they have an accurate FAL and stands still is a well disciplined damn liar.
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[IanHusaberg]

I have a G3 clone. Minute of Man is all one should ever expect unless you want to start with a large fortune and end up with a small fortune. I have a Trijicon MRO on mine and I couldn't be happier. Not all rifles are meant to be sniper rifles. Lower your expectations and you'll be happier.

 

[bogeybrown]

After years of considering a PSG1 or MSG90, I ended up buying a true 91. The "sniper" variants are so old and rare now that they exist as collector pieces but very few folks are actually shooting them. Back then the guys who had them were pretty honest about their results (vs the 1/2 moa all day long if I do my part guys today) and they were really happy to be getting 1moa or so w 168gr at 100. 1.5moa was likely the average at distance. For the time they were amazingly engineered weapons, and don't get me wrong, I'd buy one tomorrow for the right price, but they were sort of the M1A of their time, when moa was phenomenal out of a gas gun.

I have an honest expectation of about 2mo out of my 91 with battle ammo. It's a battle rifle, not a precision rifle. The FAL is pretty much the same, but less accurate. I was a PMI in the Marine Corps and high shooter in my unit every year I was in. For quite a while after shooting a FAL I felt like an incompetent twat, until the season of Top Shot where some guys I knew could shoot a rifle all sucked ass on the FAL. The 91/93/ and FAL are built to function in rough environments and shoot minute of man, but by today's standards of gas guns hanging with bolt guns, they're totally different animals and shouldn't be subjected to the same
expectations.

 

[Rlbol]

Thanks for all the info! That is what I was looking for. I have not shoot either yet but wanted to know what to excpect.

 

[bogeybrown]

Thanks for all the info! That is what I was looking for. I have not shoot either yet but wanted to know what to excpect.

I'd say put a 3" disc in the middle of a paper plate at 100. If you're inside the disc then be happy, if you're hitting the plate then you're doing what the rifle was made to do.

 

[2ndamendfan]

I am no expert but I do own and on occasion shoot a FAL. What I find ironic is how bad of a reputation the AK rifles have yet you rarely hear of others with such poor accuracy like the AK is some piece if shit anomaly. It is not, it and all others mentioned are battle rifles. 2moa-ish is what you get.

While not some laser I have yet to find anyone willing to stand down range while I try and "miss" them with such a poor excuse of a weapon.

 

[MOAxp]

I don't know much about either but just picked up 2 Springfield armory rifles. One a sar 8 the other a Sar 4800. Both are new and the price was right for them.

so my questions are what kind of accuracy can be expected out of them? I have always wanted a PSG-1 however with the price they are going for now I would hate to really beat one up and shoot it a lot. So my thought was to have one of the many HK conversion shops build me a PSG-1 out of the SAR 8.

Having a gap 10, I am expecting to much?

if the sar8 is the Greek produced one, you have a good military contract rifle, if you have the aluminum receiver be very careful as those were shoddy/ poorly built. A G3 clone can be accurate, however it is a bigger endeavor than the Ar10 platform to achieve sub-MOA and don't expect the consistency you currently have. Nor should you expect a large set of options when it comes to barrels or accessories

 

[Rlbol]

Yes the sar 8 is the Greek produced model for Springfield arms.

The more reasrch i have done it looks like both rifles are more of collectors since both are like new. And not as common being springfields.

I also found a company that builds psg-1 reproductions with factory sheet metal as well as all the bracing the Psg-1 recieved so I will just have to get one made as they are about 20% of a real one!

Thanks again for the info guys guys and I look forwatd to shooting both !

What should i get for ammo? The only 308 I usually shot is FGMM 175. I figured it would be a waste in these riffles.

does any one know what the factory loads were with the factory barrels?

 

[GCHK91]

Not an expert, but I have hung out on the HKPro and Falfiles sites for some time. Both are good resources for info on the aforementioned rifles.

Have had both a G1 and HK91 in the collection at one point or another. Both shot relatively well. The 91 averaged about 1.5" and the Fal about 2.5" at 100.

Both were designed to shoot 147gr NATO ammo if I am not mistaken.

 

[pwmr_rob]

Some guys here probably have more experience with owning these rifle but needless to say, I have shot the Marine Corps table 1 qualification with the FAL and G3 and did pretty well. We trained them in my Foreign Weapons Instructor course at Quantico along with many other rifles and it was a blast. Repeatable hits out to 500 with ease so I agree with Minute of Man accuracy

 

[Clem Doore]

Everyone pretty much summed it up. If you are interested in learning more about either rifle I would suggest visiting the FAL Files.

 

[bogeybrown]

I am no expert but I do own and on occasion shoot a FAL. What I find ironic is how bad of a reputation the AK rifles have yet you rarely hear of others with such poor accuracy like the AK is some piece if shit anomaly. It is not, it and all others mentioned are battle rifles. 2moa-ish is what you get.

While not some laser I have yet to find anyone willing to stand down range while I try and "miss" them with such a poor excuse of a weapon.

This is always an excellent point worth remembering. I'm not sure how "inaccurate" a weapon would have to be for anyone to be willingly shot at by it. I've never been one to knock the AK for its "inaccuracy", as I've seen a few that shot pretty damn well. I've also been the "minute of man" target they were trying to hit and never once said "don't worry about it, it's just AKs shooting at us."
I apply the same standard to transonic/subsonic range limits on the 308. No way am I standing 10yds past the magic distance where a 308 is "ineffective" and having one of y'all shoot at me.

How many tens of millions of people have been killed with "inaccurate" weapons?

 

[vwhugger]

This is a factory target that came with my 91-A2. It's just slightly over an inch. The other pic documents it but I can't decipher it. I had to remove the serial number is why I deleted and redid this. LOL